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Title: Stefan Molyneux finds God-ish?!
Post by: Mike_Lice on March 13, 2015, 10:43:32 PM
Interesting snippet from Stefan's latest podcast.

http://www.nullrefer.com/?https://youtu.be/n_3e1n3QL9o?t=1h17m11s (http://www.nullrefer.com/?https://youtu.be/n_3e1n3QL9o?t=1h17m11s)

Stefan gets mad at secularists for not helping a sick person while christians did. Being an old skool FDR listener I am surprised by what Stefan says.
What do you guys think?
Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux finds God-ish?!
Post by: X on March 14, 2015, 09:42:53 PM
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Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux finds God-ish?!
Post by: Jim Jones on March 15, 2015, 05:53:04 AM
I've caught some flak for saying this before in comments but I don't think he is being genuine when he cries. He did the same thing during the Robin Williams video.

Obviously I can't know for a fact that it's a farce but he looks exactly like a B movie actor, mimicking what he sees on daytime soap operas. (Massive pauses between his words, quivering lip as if he's attempting to hold back tears).

I know it's unfair to insinuate such nefarious behavior and that I shouldn't, but I can't help myself.

Does anybody know when else he's done this?


Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux finds God-ish?!
Post by: Mike_Lice on March 15, 2015, 08:18:50 AM
I find it interesting how Stefan calls the altruistic behavior of the Christians "love your enemy stuff".
I asume in Stefan's mind Christians see Atheists as enemies, yet they helped the sick man despite of him being an atheist.

From this I derive that Stefan sees the behavior of the Christians as good and its somethings atheist can learn from. We should help people in need even tho they don't share the same ideology.

Here my jaw drops because FDR principles is all about SHUNNING people who don't share the same ideology.

Is the message Stefan is sending now that, you should shun people (who dont accept an-capatalism) but when they get Cancer you should help them?
Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux finds God-ish?!
Post by: marly qq on March 15, 2015, 11:39:55 AM
i routinely see comments like "i love your videos.... but im a christian, and why do you say this about god?" on stefan's videos. always thought it was interesting. so my first interpretation is hes trying to appease the market
Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux finds God-ish?!
Post by: jolly_roger on March 15, 2015, 02:28:56 PM
I know it's unfair to insinuate such nefarious behavior and that I shouldn't, but I can't help myself.

Nope, I think you're spot on.
Even at the height of my involvement in FDR, I thought the crying was suspicious.
The timing was just a little too convenient, and he graduated acting school - crying on command is just one of the tricks of the trade that you have to learn there.

And thinking about it now I can see more suspicious things.
Whenever I, or anyone I knew personally, cried, it was because something struck a personal chord, while with Stefan it seems to be happening when he's talking about abstracts.
When I cry while talking about something, it completely derails my train of thought, and I need to take a few minutes to compose myself. This has never happened to Stefan, and curiously his crying always only aided him in making a point.

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Does anybody know when else he's done this?

I can't name the podcasts, but it has a long tradition at FDR.
I think around 2010-ish there was a podcast about the Iraq war where he ended up crying, at least I remember talking about it with fellow FDRers at the time.

Then there was one, when he was talking about his decision to go full time with FDR.
Again, don't know the title, but I think there's an excerpt on Tru Shibes.

Not sure if this interests you as well, but I also remember an instance of what sounded like very fake laughing. It was on one of the Jennyism podcasts (646, or 647, it was a two-parter).
Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux finds God-ish?!
Post by: i2aymond on March 15, 2015, 03:34:14 PM
Crying on camera, and having a donation based business model like Stefan's, is extremely manipulative even if he has the ethical fortitude of an angel.
Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux finds God-ish?!
Post by: Mike_Lice on March 15, 2015, 03:46:12 PM
Another great snippet, Stefan is admiring Christians for giving 10% of their income to the church while he is "begging for scraps" on the Internet.

http://www.nullrefer.com/?https://youtu.be/n_3e1n3QL9o?t=55m49s (http://www.nullrefer.com/?https://youtu.be/n_3e1n3QL9o?t=55m40s)
Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux finds God-ish?!
Post by: Prodigal son on March 16, 2015, 06:36:57 AM
Another great snippet, Stefan is admiring Christians for giving 10% of their income to the church while he is "begging for scraps" on the Internet.

And I think that's precisely the reason for this Damascene moment - that and expanding the recruitment base. I reckon it's pretty abject from a moral standpoint, but I think Stefan's fierce admiration for Rand allows him to frame any successful profit seeking venture as a moral action providing he doesn't use any too much force.
Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux finds God-ish?!
Post by: Elucidated on March 16, 2015, 09:07:03 AM
Well watching that just explained to me why he's a failed actor.

Surprising that he not only has a friend, but a friend with a father. Moreover he feels emotion for the plight of that father.  :o

Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux finds God-ish?!
Post by: money detonator on March 16, 2015, 10:35:11 AM
He forgot his old stern warning about how Christians really want him dead.  He also warns Christians to stop listening to Freedomain Radio pronto:

http://youtu.be/bR_4AuASYhw (http://youtu.be/bR_4AuASYhw)
Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux finds God-ish?!
Post by: QuestEon on March 16, 2015, 10:58:52 AM
He forgot his old stern warning about how Christians really want him dead.  He also warns Christians to stop listening to Freedomain Radio pronto:

Oopsie!  Winston forgot to shove that one down the memory hole, I guess.
Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux finds God-ish?!
Post by: Mike_Lice on March 16, 2015, 12:31:22 PM
He forgot his old stern warning about how Christians really want him dead.  He also warns Christians to stop listening to Freedomain Radio pronto:

I wonder what 2005 Stefan would think of 2015 Stefan?

Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux finds God-ish?!
Post by: Elucidated on March 16, 2015, 01:45:00 PM
He forgot his old stern warning about how Christians really want him dead.  He also warns Christians to stop listening to Freedomain Radio pronto:

I wonder what 2005 Stefan would think of 2015 Stefan?
I think 2005 Stefan would be quite pleased with the level of fame and fortune he has now achieved, he wouldn't care about the rest.
Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux finds God-ish?!
Post by: Prodigal son on March 19, 2015, 07:43:22 PM
I noticed a post on the FDR boards that was critical (gasp) of Molyneux's sudden change of heart in relation to religion:

http://nullrefer.com/?https://board.freedomainradio.com/topic/43639-fdr2927-reaction-on-me/?p=398989 (http://nullrefer.com/?https://board.freedomainradio.com/topic/43639-fdr2927-reaction-on-me/?p=398989)

This is a long-time member so I think it carries some weight, although unsurprisingly it was largely ignored.
It got me thinking, perhaps the uptick in activity here in recent days is somehow related to this issue? And, more seriously, since one of the reasons Molyneux has used to convince members to dissociate from friends and family is that the people in question have religious beliefs that they refuse to relinquish, this kind of turnaround could be deeply disruptive if anyone within the cult actually dares to think about it objectively. Are we about to see a renewed exodus of historic Teeb?
Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux finds God-ish?!
Post by: megi on March 21, 2015, 01:08:36 AM
I noticed a post on the FDR boards that was critical (gasp) of Molyneux's sudden change of heart in relation to religion:

[url]http://nullrefer.com/?https://board.freedomainradio.com/topic/43639-fdr2927-reaction-on-me/?p=398989[/url] ([url]http://nullrefer.com/?https://board.freedomainradio.com/topic/43639-fdr2927-reaction-on-me/?p=398989[/url])

This is a long-time member so I think it carries some weight, although unsurprisingly it was largely ignored.
It got me thinking, perhaps the uptick in activity here in recent days is somehow related to this issue? And, more seriously, since one of the reasons Molyneux has used to convince members to dissociate from friends and family is that the people in question have religious beliefs that they refuse to relinquish, this kind of turnaround could be deeply disruptive if anyone within the cult actually dares to think about it objectively. Are we about to see a renewed exodus of historic Teeb?


Victor's up for a rude awakening if he starts questioning FDR's censors, like he does in the thread. FDR promotion and commitment means nothing if you start questioning and pointing out Stefan's possible hypocrisies. The thread so far only contains the usual deflections.
Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux finds God-ish?!
Post by: X on March 21, 2015, 04:02:15 AM
Victor's up for a rude awakening if he starts questioning FDR's censors, like he does in the thread.

He certainly is, what on earth was he thinking, challenging the philosopher god Molyneux in his own fiefdom, I expect this troublemaker will be excommunicated pretty soon, disagreeing with Molyneux so openly will be seen as unhinged hostility.
Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux finds God-ish?!
Post by: Mike_Lice on March 21, 2015, 05:45:07 AM
that victor guy is just expressing what he feels. Isn't that part of whats written in RTR, expressing your emotions with other people to come to a deeper understanding.
Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux finds God-ish?!
Post by: Prodigal son on March 21, 2015, 06:22:53 AM
He certainly is, what on earth was he thinking, challenging the philosopher god Molyneux in his own fiefdom,

Maybe his false self posted the message when his true self wasn't looking? That must be it. Easy to fix by adopting the recommended course of vocal admiration or silence.
Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux finds God-ish?!
Post by: IAmMe on March 21, 2015, 07:36:12 AM
Game over for this wee laddie. That underlined section is his death by a thousand cuts.
Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux finds God-ish?!
Post by: mikef on March 21, 2015, 09:55:06 AM
Game over for this wee laddie. That underlined section is his death by a thousand cuts.

lol, and I didn't even think his initial post was that bad.   Seems a bit heavy-handed to me.  A lot of historical stuff that is still there is much worse (in terms of criticism of Stefan).

Probably was expected to be at least Gold level by now.  Bronze level cheapskate.   ;D
Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux finds God-ish?!
Post by: X on March 21, 2015, 11:22:31 AM
Maybe his false self posted the message when his true self wasn't looking?

I wonder if it's possible to deFoo your false self ?
Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux finds God-ish?!
Post by: eternal bias on March 21, 2015, 10:45:48 PM
Sounds like Stef has finally figured out that religion is the default state of humanity and that his teenage rebellious "special snowflake" atheist ideology isn't exactly great for raising children.

It's hard to be rebellious and cool when you have children depending on you.  Religion as far as I have ever been able to tell is just a human group survival strategy that keeps social groups cohesive and people from doing the very things that Stef loves to encourage young teenagers to do that is "go off an be an edgy teenage rebel dude!  Fight the power, man!" 

Without religion there's really no way to appeal to any sort of moral authority beyond "I don't like it."  So atheist "morality" quickly slides into meaningless hedonism.  As an atheist I accept that atheism has no moral baring whatsoever, but Stef isn't that kind of person.  He's always wanted order and thought (wrongly) that he could squeeze the water of morality from the stone that is atheism.  After all these years I think, probably out of necessity he has admitted his failure and gone crawling back to religion.
Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux finds God-ish?!
Post by: mikef on March 22, 2015, 02:24:19 AM
So the moderation is widespread according to a few posters in that thread.  I'm surprised people are so sanguine about it.  I would never bother with a forum that treated it's members like that.   
Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux finds God-ish?!
Post by: Argent on March 22, 2015, 03:17:19 AM
I always found Stefan's hardline stance against religion to be a bit immature. He mostly railed against the Old Testament conception of an omnipotent god that controls the planet like a puppetmaster. Yet Christianity moved beyond that a couple millenia ago with the whole Jesus thing!

Every culture has their mythology. Even atomoic theory and Newtonian physics have already been superseded. Doesn't stop us from teaching them to children in science class, because they have utility even if they are not completely "true." I may not take the bible literally anymore, and I have to kinda wonder about adults who still do, but I learned it as a child and I'm sure New Testament morality still guides me in some ways. I'm also not sure I would want to live in a society that wasn't mostly guided by it. Compared to some alternatives, it's pretty progressive.

If he is softening his stance without speaking frankly about the change, I can understand how some of the longtime members might feel betrayed. I know from years of reading the forums that some members made drastic changes in their lives to keep in line with Stefan's hard atheism and disdain for "superstitious" people. I think I remember at least one case of a guy divorcing his wife (with whom he had kids) over church attendance. To now hear that even the person who (directly or indirectly) prompted them to make those drastic changes would no longer 100% back their choices.... would be upsetting, to say the least.
Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux finds God-ish?!
Post by: X on March 22, 2015, 10:47:06 AM
I always found Stefan's hardline stance against religion to be a bit immature. He mostly railed against the Old Testament conception of an omnipotent god that controls the planet like a puppetmaster. Yet Christianity moved beyond that a couple millenia ago with the whole Jesus thing!

Yet it was only with the New Testament that the grotesquely malevolent notion of hell was introduced  ;D it's only with the arrival of the Jesus character in the second part of the Bible franchise that we get to torture small children in fire.

Every culture has their mythology. Even atomoic theory and Newtonian physics have already been superseded.

This seems like a non-sequitur to me ? You seem to be saying (correct me if I'm wrong), that atomic theory and Newtonian physics are rooted in mythology ?

Doesn't stop us from teaching them to children in science class, because they have utility even if they are not completely "true."

What is untrue about either of these, can you be a little more specific ?

I may not take the bible literally anymore, and I have to kinda wonder about adults who still do, but I learned it as a child and I'm sure New Testament morality still guides me in some ways. I'm also not sure I would want to live in a society that wasn't mostly guided by it.

What do you fear about a society that is not guided by your particular religion ?

If he is softening his stance without speaking frankly about the change, I can understand how some of the longtime members might feel betrayed.

I suspect all but the most blind FDR true believers can see this for what it is, an attempt to expand the audience (with obvious financial benefits) by making compromises to his otherwise inerrant world view.

I know from years of reading the forums that some members made drastic changes in their lives to keep in line with Stefan's hard atheism and disdain for "superstitious" people. I think I remember at least one case of a guy divorcing his wife (with whom he had kids) over church attendance. To now hear that even the person who (directly or indirectly) prompted them to make those drastic changes would no longer 100% back their choices.... would be upsetting, to say the least.

Absolutely, I'd expect them to be pretty angry.
Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux finds God-ish?!
Post by: Mike_Lice on March 22, 2015, 01:15:18 PM
made a video showing what Stefan said recently and back in 2006 regarding Christians and seeing them as allies fighting the same cause against the State.

https://youtu.be/eIVE7H0AVPQ
Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux finds God-ish?!
Post by: X on March 22, 2015, 05:18:07 PM
made a video showing what Stefan says recently and back in 2006 regarding Christians and seeing them as allies fighting the same cause against the State.

https://youtu.be/eIVE7H0AVPQ

 ;D

He's so transparent it's embarrassing.
Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux finds God-ish?!
Post by: Jim Jones on March 23, 2015, 06:55:36 AM
One or two posters said the censorship is just a normal part of the forum. Not that I'm saying they're lying, but it's just not true.

I know for a fact that they selectively censor only SOME members past the initial phase. I specifically made posts in a few different threads that were critical of Stefan and in that very same thread I found I could no longer directly reply to anybody without my message being approved first. What's worse is that my posts are simply just not being approved at all anymore. I think 1 in the last 20 posts I've made actually "passed inspection"

They just flat-out censor anything that makes them look bad. I think the only reason the OP's final post in that thread was approved was because he had been there for awhile and he was a donor.

How unbelievably repulsive is it to try and shut the mouth of someone who has supported you both personally and financially? FDR is not a philosophy show, nor do I even want to call it a sophistry show, because at least the flawed arguments of a sophist are elegant. It is nothing more than a means to an end for "cough up the cash" Molyneux, the end being money.

Though he's always been an insufferable douche, at least when he did the early shows from his car he genuinely seemed to care about the philosophy and not the money. He's now basically pulled a bait and switch, initially interesting listeners with novel ideas on government, only to string them along until they're addicted to his centuries old recycled material. Then comes the easy part: release a new video every day or two in order to keep the gravy train going. Donations abound!

Even if you combined the work of several popular libertarians right now, Molyneux's prolific output would still eclipse them. Nobody must have ever told him that quantity does not mean quality.
Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux finds God-ish?!
Post by: X on March 23, 2015, 07:55:52 AM
One or two posters said the censorship is just a normal part of the forum. Not that I'm saying they're lying, but it's just not true.

I supposed the problem with any forum that's heavily moderated is that people simply don't know what is going on, I suspect that's what happens at FDR, people are banned, censored and placed on monitored status when they fall short of acceptable standards . . . . but, crucially, there are no public announcements of these interventions, from what I hear, not even the person placed on monitored status, where their posts are vetted for censorship or suppression, is aware that it's happening.
Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux finds God-ish?!
Post by: Prodigal son on March 23, 2015, 08:00:03 AM
. . but, crucially, there are no public announcements of these interventions, from what I hear, not even the person placed on monitored status, where their posts are vetted for censorship or suppression, is aware that it's happening.

Yep. From my perspective it's the secrecy that's the problem with this and other areas of Molyneux's activities. Typical of cults...
Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux finds God-ish?!
Post by: Mike_Lice on March 23, 2015, 11:53:59 AM
I made another video where Stefan talks about how nice Christians are compared to Atheists and then Stefan from the past blows a hole through it ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVkaNF1g1ec&spfreload=10 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVkaNF1g1ec&spfreload=10)
Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux finds God-ish?!
Post by: mikef on March 24, 2015, 11:08:35 AM
Stefan Molyneux's entire personality is built around the "fact" that he is the greatest philosopher in 2000 years.  In order to sustain that he constantly need people to tell him how wonderful he is and "thank him for all that he does for us". 

If he thinks he's started to use up one group of people he will have no qualms about moving to another.  And use any kind of crazy justification to do so.  At the end of the day, he has to have his narcissistic supply.  It might sound hyperbolic but his life depends on it.  It's like oxygen to him.  Because without that he's nothing, never really achieved or probably been particularly good at anything.  He'd wither away without his narcissistic supply.  And that's a fate worse than death from his perspective.

It's also why anyone that challenges any part of it is branded a troll.  His fragile ego struggles against even the smallest blows to it.  Hence, the censorship.  It's all about protecting Molyneux's perception of himself, more than anything else.  It's why he doesn't engage in the philosophy community and has walked away from the libertarian community for the most part.  The man is really quite fragile.
Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux finds God-ish?!
Post by: Jim Jones on March 24, 2015, 04:54:13 PM
Even when I used to be a regular participant in FDR's chat, I often said his body of work and basic message could be easily condensed down to maybe 10-20 hours.  It's really a shame he didn't just stick to making a few quality works of a more educational nature on libertarian rather than thousands of hours of unqualified babble on every topic under the sun.  It's that continuous stream of material though that keeps people coming and helps to retain the TBs to maintain his insatiable need for narcissistic supply.

Yes something that only dawned on me recently was when someone said something to the effect of "you just took 2 hours to make a point that you've already made 10 minutes into the video."

I wish I could remember what video that was, but it's a bit difficult to remember since an overwhelming majority of his videos are like that.

I can honestly say I've seen the comment "your videos are too long, make them shorter" made at least a couple dozen times. Of course, within minutes, the collective of butthurt FDR lackeys chime in to chastise the original commenter for not having the patience to watch a 2 and a half hour video within minutes of it being posted.

I don't know if it would be that wild of an assumption that at least a good third of FDR viewers are unemployed. How else can they watch these hour long videos as soon as Molyneux posts them? I'm just kidding around but I honestly do wonder how so many of them have the ability and time to watch his feature-film length podcasts on a daily basis, as soon as they're posted.
Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux finds God-ish?!
Post by: Prodigal son on March 24, 2015, 05:07:48 PM
I take the liberty of sharing a satirical video that just appeared in my feed. It was made by a fellow whose commentary I have come to greatly enjoy and it is of particular relevance to this thread:

http://youtu.be/t_J97uXgb1o (http://youtu.be/t_J97uXgb1o)
Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux finds God-ish?!
Post by: Jim Jones on March 24, 2015, 07:12:45 PM
I take the liberty of sharing a satirical video that just appeared in my feed. It was made by a fellow whose commentary I have come to greatly enjoy and it is of particular relevance to this thread:

[url]http://youtu.be/t_J97uXgb1o[/url] ([url]http://youtu.be/t_J97uXgb1o[/url])


Hah! I love it. All of the other videos posted ITT have also been great. I think sooner or later, any search results for Stefan's material will also be saturated with myriad videos critical of him. I don't know about anybody else, but a year or two ago I barely knew how to use even a simple program like Movie Maker.

I reckon that Stefan's material has one positive characteristic: being of such reprehensible content that it drove me to get off my ass and learn the basics of editing a video! Presumably a few others too, though I'm convinced that my skills are too rudimentary for anything other than simple audio overlays and text.

I can honestly say I probably would never have learned how to upload a video to YouTube in my life had I not encountered Stefan's material. I know it's as simple as clicking a few buttons for the younger generation, but, I'm happy nonetheless!
Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux finds God-ish?!
Post by: Prodigal son on March 24, 2015, 07:47:03 PM
All of the other videos posted ITT have also been great.

I agree. ML really nailed Molyneux's duplicity - especially in the second vid.

...being of such reprehensible content

When I first started to become critical of Molyneux his actions seemed to me to be wrong and hypocritical, but as time progressed either I became more aware or, as I suspect, he gradually degenerated, so I think your strong descriptor "reprehensible" is entirely appropriate. "Depraved" is another word that comes to mind now.

[Edited: text removed in the interests of retaining a veneer of civility in respect of the Great One]
Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux finds God-ish?!
Post by: mikef on March 24, 2015, 08:39:05 PM

He surely is fragile.  Despite his claims to "self knowledge", it's obvious he either really doesn't know himself, or is just unable to accept it when it confronts him.  He mocks what doesn't understand as with determinism.  Anyone that criticizes his message is labeled a "troll" and censored or banned.  When criticism comes from the outside he'll lash out aggressively in narcissistic rage as with Tru Shibes and Liberating Minds to name just the most obvious examples.  He's clearly not a well person.

I was thinking about what you said in another thread also.  How once a person like this wrecks their reputation with enough people they sometimes end up mostly withdrawing from the world, taking their most hardcore followers with them.   At which point anything can happen.

With a person like this, that has constructed their own reality, if you are one of the hardcore followers or inner circle you are on tenterhooks around him because you just don't know what all his triggers are.   Even Molyneux himself doesn't fully understand his own reality, he only knows when something sets him off.  And while some of his triggers are well understood by many, others are not and can be the most innocuous things.  You just never know what aspect of reality will clash with Molyneux's constructed reality.   Which makes these people almost completely unpredictable.   And it's much easier for many followers to attack the people who they see as deliberately trying to set him off (even if it's just mostly someone making a rational argument) than to deal with Molyneux's disapproval or anger. 
Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux finds God-ish?!
Post by: Jim Jones on March 25, 2015, 03:41:09 PM
I think sooner or later, any search results for Stefan's material will also be saturated with myriad videos critical of him. I don't know about anybody else, but a year or two ago I barely knew how to use even a simple program like Movie Maker.

This is why Tru Shibes had to go.  She had a few hundred subscribers and enough views to show in search results.  This would embarassing to have online during a great recruiting opportunity like the Rogan show a few days later.

It's great to see the backlash now with so many others offering up critiques of him.

I reckon that Stefan's material has one positive characteristic: being of such reprehensible content that it drove me to get off my ass and learn the basics of editing a video! Presumably a few others too, though I'm convinced that my skills are too rudimentary for anything other than simple audio overlays and text.

I can honestly say I probably would never have learned how to upload a video to YouTube in my life had I not encountered Stefan's material. I know it's as simple as clicking a few buttons for the younger generation, but, I'm happy nonetheless!

I've considered making some videos but just don't have the time nor can I stand to hear his disgusting voice or sift through countless hours of his materials.

That is really the hardest part. I've been trying to make a video for the past few weeks in my free time, but I just find it ridiculously grueling to sit through his podcasts now. As far as finding the material, it is actually surprisingly easy. I can't remember any video he's made that's longer than 30 minutes that doesn't have at least half a dozen logical fallacies. It is quite ridiculous, really.
Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux finds God-ish?!
Post by: Mike_Lice on March 29, 2015, 04:34:31 PM
Because of the abundance of contradictions in Stefan's latests podcasts I made another video. Hope you like it.

https://youtu.be/8DAJYqP2P6M
Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux finds God-ish?!
Post by: Mike_Lice on March 29, 2015, 07:06:15 PM
Hope you guys haven't gotten sick of my vids. Cuz here is another one haha.

https://youtu.be/IrHfCHQqAhw
Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux finds God-ish?!
Post by: money detonator on April 03, 2015, 06:54:20 PM
"Talking with Christians without losing your will to live..."

http://youtu.be/XhzdKQT-h4Y (http://youtu.be/XhzdKQT-h4Y)


according to the first few minutes of this video by Molyneux, Christians believe:

Genocide is good
slavery is good
enslaving women is good
beating children is good
selling your daughters into sexual slavery is good



so now, he thinks all that is "nice"?

@ 5:45 he says Christians are in a cult and don't know how to think.  LOL  ;D
@ 17:40 he says they are stone evil, "the ultimate curse and plague", and they want you dead!

@ 19:10  Don't talk to them.  Don't support someone that supports your murder.  They want you dead.  If you talk to them, it is like a Jew talking  to a Nazi, or "a black guy arguing with a Klansman"
Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux finds God-ish?!
Post by: mikef on April 03, 2015, 09:33:23 PM
So atheism is pretty much gone out the window now.

How long before anarchism becomes right-wing conservative small-government minarchism? 
Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux finds God-ish?!
Post by: Mike_Lice on April 03, 2015, 11:29:47 PM
"Talking with Christians without losing your will to live..."

[url]http://youtu.be/XhzdKQT-h4Y[/url] ([url]http://youtu.be/XhzdKQT-h4Y[/url])


according to the first few minutes of this video by Molyneux, Christians believe:

Genocide is good
slavery is good
enslaving women is good
beating children is good
selling your daughters into sexual slavery is good



so now, he thinks all that is "nice"?

@ 5:45 he says Christians are in a cult and don't know how to think.  LOL  ;D
@ 17:40 he says they are stone evil, "the ultimate curse and plague", and they want you dead!

@ 19:10  Don't talk to them.  Don't support someone that supports your murder.  They want you dead.  If you talk to them, it is like a Jew talking  to a Nazi, or "a black guy arguing with a Klansman"


I made a couple of youtube videos where Stefan talks about religion/christians. Seemed that I missed this one. Thanks for posting
Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux finds God-ish?!
Post by: poopmeat on April 04, 2015, 07:16:48 AM
Stef is strategically maneuvering himself to capture the 2016 presidential election voter audience. Basically the left is bad and the right is not so bad type of deal. He's been recently very verbose on how bad the left is and with linking that with supporting Christianity, he may be trying to capture a larger right audience. I think he's trying to be the philosophical Rush Limbaugh for the right.

Don't get me wrong he's not for politics but he is for making money. I don't think Stef really is all that into religion besides the $$$. I believe Stefan would justify his interest in religion as calling it a noble lie as justifying it by quoting Socrates the noble lie in his podcasts. Stef has the mentality that he and he alone can save the world. That he in fact has the special knowledge that he is willing to share among others. That if need be he's willing to take a hit and lie (like in the Joe Rogan video) to save humanity. This is ironically the same mentality Peter Joseph the leader of the Zeitgeist Movement has as well. I wouldn't say FDR is a cult however there is a strong cult of personality fandom there.


References:
 
Socrate’s “noble” Lie
https://esmancientgreeks.wordpress.com/2011/05/06/socrates-noble-lie/ (https://esmancientgreeks.wordpress.com/2011/05/06/socrates-noble-lie/)

Cult of personality
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult_of_personality (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult_of_personality)
Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux finds God-ish?!
Post by: poopmeat on April 09, 2015, 02:43:32 PM
and here we go. Stef is gearing up for the 2016 presidential elections.


Pizza War: Gay Discrimination vs. Religious Freedom | True News
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7p5KVVXOJC4#t=12m30s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7p5KVVXOJC4#t=12m30s)
Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux finds God-ish?!
Post by: Mike_Lice on April 09, 2015, 03:14:48 PM
Christian businesses should have the right to refuse gays, the same right nazi businesses had in the 30s when they refused the jews. This freedom to discriminate approach always leads to a society of peace and tolerance.

PS. Im being sarcastic
Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux finds God-ish?!
Post by: Jim Jones on April 10, 2015, 01:11:41 AM
I can just imagine a listener calling in and asking, "Stefan, what if all establishments turned down blacks and refused to serve them?"

Stefan's non-reply?

"But they wouldn't do that. Because...because well, well that isn't a good business model, right? I mean any pizza place that did this would be gone in a week...because, well, customers would be outraged, and nobody would buy their pizza and they would go out of business, right?
Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux finds God-ish?!
Post by: Mike_Lice on April 10, 2015, 02:14:07 AM
I can just imagine a listener calling in and asking, "Stefan, what if all establishments turned down blacks and refused to serve them?"

Stefan's non-reply?

"But they wouldn't do that. Because...because well, well that isn't a good business model, right? I mean any pizza place that did this would be gone in a week...because, well, customers would be outraged, and nobody would buy their pizza and they would go out of business, right?


The pizza place actually has the potential of making money from all kinds of donations people are setting up. Being against gays has actually been profitable for them.

http://mic.com/articles/114560/that-anti-gay-pizza-place-in-indiana-made-almost-a-million-bucks-off-homophobia (http://mic.com/articles/114560/that-anti-gay-pizza-place-in-indiana-made-almost-a-million-bucks-off-homophobia)
Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux finds God-ish?!
Post by: mikef on April 10, 2015, 03:23:40 AM
This is ironically the same mentality Peter Joseph the leader of the Zeitgeist Movement has as well.

I would say Joseph, from what I have observed, is pretty much the same personality type as Molyneux.
Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux finds God-ish?!
Post by: Argent on April 10, 2015, 03:48:33 AM

The pizza place actually has the potential of making money from all kinds of donations people are setting up. Being against gays has actually been profitable for them.

[url]http://mic.com/articles/114560/that-anti-gay-pizza-place-in-indiana-made-almost-a-million-bucks-off-homophobia[/url] ([url]http://mic.com/articles/114560/that-anti-gay-pizza-place-in-indiana-made-almost-a-million-bucks-off-homophobia[/url])

Ahh, the power of social media.

No matter what Stefan & Mises say, people are not rational economic actors. I can understand forking over thousands of dollars to some social organization that you felt was being unfairly targeted, but a pizza place? Put that $1000 in a cookie jar and use it to pay for as many pizza nights as you can stomach. Giving it away makes no sense.
Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux finds God-ish?!
Post by: Loner on April 10, 2015, 06:30:26 AM
 I think most people would agree that customers should have the right to discriminate & choose who they want to do business with. You can make a pragmatic argument that society would be better if business owners do not have the same right to discriminate. But you cannot call that freedom.
Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux finds God-ish?!
Post by: money detonator on April 10, 2015, 02:18:03 PM
I think most people would agree that customers should have the right to discriminate & choose who they want to do business with. You can make a pragmatic argument that society would be better if business owners do not have the same right to discriminate. But you cannot call that freedom.

But isn't writing bad Yelp reviews part of that "freedom"?  Molyneux is complaining about Yelp reviews.  As far as I know, he didn't mention anyone trying to shut the place down or stop it from doing business.
Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux finds God-ish?!
Post by: Mike_Lice on April 10, 2015, 02:59:31 PM
I think most people would agree that customers should have the right to discriminate & choose who they want to do business with. You can make a pragmatic argument that society would be better if business owners do not have the same right to discriminate. But you cannot call that freedom.

But isn't writing bad Yelp reviews part of that "freedom"?  Molyneux is complaining about Yelp reviews.  As far as I know, he didn't mention anyone trying to shut the place down or stop it from doing business.

Stefan sees this as uncivilized and trolling. He rather has it that the people just shun the pizza place if they don't agree with the pizza place's views on gay people.

PS. Funny side note. Stefan towards the end makes the "appeal to worse problems" fallacy. He says that people should be more concerned with gay people in Africa than gay people in the west. Because according to Stefan the gays are doing pretty great in the west and they make on average more money than straight people.
Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux finds God-ish?!
Post by: Jim Jones on April 10, 2015, 04:47:33 PM
But isn't writing bad Yelp reviews part of that "freedom"?  Molyneux is complaining about Yelp reviews.  As far as I know, he didn't mention anyone trying to shut the place down or stop it from doing business.

This is an important distinction. Molyneux can't blame the state here, so instead he whines about the criticism, bad yelp reviews, and Tim Cook because he is frustrated that people are condemning this Pizza Place for believing homosexuality is a sin.

Does he not remember all of his podcasts about capitalism and the voluntary dollar?
Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux finds God-ish?!
Post by: jolly_roger on April 11, 2015, 04:48:25 AM
I can just imagine a listener calling in and asking, "Stefan, what if all establishments turned down blacks and refused to serve them?"

Stefan's non-reply?

"But they wouldn't do that. Because...because well, well that isn't a good business model, right? I mean any pizza place that did this would be gone in a week...because, well, customers would be outraged, and nobody would buy their pizza and they would go out of business, right?

Before making fun of others, I think you should make sure, you're not saying something equally ridiculous.
What if ALL establishments refused to serve black people? Well, for one there would be good money to be made by anyone running the one establishment that didn't refuse them.
But hey, we need government regulations, because business owners only care about profit, not the common good. And apparently we also need them because they care too much about their view of ethics, and not enough about profits.

I'm also curious how you propose to have anti discrimination laws in a society that is so bigoted no one would run an establishment serving black people.
Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux finds God-ish?!
Post by: Mike_Lice on April 11, 2015, 10:54:04 AM
What if ALL establishments refused to serve black people?

Your premise doesn't make sense. You used the word "ALL" this means everyone including black people

What you just said was. What if ALL (White, Asian, Arabian and BLACK) establishments refused to serve black people?

Why would black people refuse to serve black people?

Or are you asserting black people can't own businesses?



Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux finds God-ish?!
Post by: jolly_roger on April 11, 2015, 11:31:28 AM
Um, I'm not asserting anything, I was responding to Jim Jones ;)
Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux finds God-ish?!
Post by: Mike_Lice on April 11, 2015, 11:50:34 AM
Um, I'm not asserting anything, I was responding to Jim Jones ;)

yes I see, thnx for correcting.
Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux finds God-ish?!
Post by: Jim Jones on April 12, 2015, 01:55:12 AM
I can just imagine a listener calling in and asking, "Stefan, what if all establishments turned down blacks and refused to serve them?"

Stefan's non-reply?

"But they wouldn't do that. Because...because well, well that isn't a good business model, right? I mean any pizza place that did this would be gone in a week...because, well, customers would be outraged, and nobody would buy their pizza and they would go out of business, right?

Before making fun of others, I think you should make sure, you're not saying something equally ridiculous.
What if ALL establishments refused to serve black people? Well, for one there would be good money to be made by anyone running the one establishment that didn't refuse them.
But hey, we need government regulations, because business owners only care about profit, not the common good. And apparently we also need them because they care too much about their view of ethics, and not enough about profits.

I'm also curious how you propose to have anti discrimination laws in a society that is so bigoted no one would run an establishment serving black people.

First, so it's clear, I wasn't making fun of the question, I was making fun of my hypothetical version of what I think Stefan would answer like.

I'm pointing out the fact that he wouldn't answer the question, he would side-step it with some dogmatic capitalism nonsense like "but it wouldn't happen"...that may be very true, but it's not an answer.

It's a common way Stefan side-steps issues instead of providing answer for them. He can't complain that it is question-begging and hypothetical and at the same time have no answer for it aside from one which is based on the premise of a free society that is 10x more question-begging and hypothetical.

Now, to address the issue which you bring up: the idea that there would be good money to be made in a society that discriminated against blacks or gays doesn't really make an argument, it just says that such an opportunity could hypothetically exist. Historically, in the south in the US, if you conducted business with blacks, you were subject to attacks from racists, you usually weren't making much money because blacks did not have much money...generally, selling to the discriminated didn't have many advantages.

In Nazi Germany, doing business with the Nazis was far more profitable than taking a risk with dealing with Jews. I'm sure there's an argument to be made that it was largely the government doing business with these people but the situation happened regardless.

I'm sure there might be a few examples of when it has been profitable to do business with a group that is being shunned by an entire community, but it isn't really a strong argument because it is predicated on the assumption that the discriminated-against party enjoys some measure of financial success, at least enough so that it is more profitable doing business with them than the bigots (though, I suppose if it was a massive population being slighted this would be offset by sheer numbers).

When Stefan talks about laws and rules that these businesses are subject to (not in this case but in general), it is fascinating that what isn't mentioned is the fact that these business owners choose to open and operate this business within the restrictions of the state, and are afforded certain privileges from the state in certain circumstances (corporations, s-corporations, etc).

These business owners are largely statists that are willing to follow the laws and pay taxes in order to operate within the state-ruled areas upon which they build their businesses.

This idea that these discrimination laws are forcing these business owners to comply necessitates a really liberal interpretation of the word "force".
Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux finds God-ish?!
Post by: money detonator on April 12, 2015, 11:14:56 AM
Stefan sees this as uncivilized and trolling. He rather has it that the people just shun the pizza place if they don't agree with the pizza place's views on gay people.

He doesn't follow this.  He doesn't simply shun beautiful people or statists or women who wear makeup, but rather, makes endless podcasts complaining about them and posts them online.  How is this any different (other than being more obnoxious) than writing a bad Yelp review about an establishment?

Bad service at a restaurant is a completely legitimate reason for writing a bad review on Yelp.  I would think that being refused service qualifies as bad service.

PS. Funny side note. Stefan towards the end makes the "appeal to worse problems" fallacy. He says that people should be more concerned with gay people in Africa than gay people in the west. Because according to Stefan the gays are doing pretty great in the west and they make on average more money than straight people.

This completely contradicts his original teachings and reasons for recommending defoo and shunning.   According to old Molyneux podcasts, you have no control over the State or what it does, and therefore should not spend any energy trying to reform governments or Statists.   This was his reasoning for advocating defoo - to exert influence over what is within your control - your personal relationships.  It seems to me that people have more control over whether or not to support a business than they have in influencing a foreign government, their laws and policies!


According to this new argument, which is in direct contradiction with his original teachings, it would follow that the government does far more problematic things than anything your family and friends could do, so therefore, you shouldn't bother criticizing your personal relationships, but should put your energy into reforming the government and becoming politically active.
Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux finds God-ish?!
Post by: X on April 12, 2015, 11:15:09 AM
Your premise doesn't make sense. You used the word "ALL" this means everyone including black people

 ::)
He obviously means all non-black people, what a ridiculous objection ! Lol.
Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux finds God-ish?!
Post by: Mike_Lice on April 12, 2015, 03:12:42 PM
Your premise doesn't make sense. You used the word "ALL" this means everyone including black people

 ::)
He obviously means all non-black people, what a ridiculous objection ! Lol.

he used the word "ALL" in all caps. I thought he meant something different by this.
Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux finds God-ish?!
Post by: Jim Jones on April 12, 2015, 03:45:19 PM
Has anybody else noticed Stefan's archaic misconceptions of gay people? According to Stefan, gays decorate homes very well, they have sex with total strangers, they are gay because they were molested or experienced some sort of sexual trauma as children, and that they are "divas" according to this new video.

I just remembered something: Stefan never went back and corrected the misinformation he disseminated about gays in his one podcast. If I remember correctly, a radio host got him to apologize for his statements and he promised he would correct the record.

Add that to the list of false promises including the unfinished documentary and all the other bullshit I can't think of right now.


Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux finds God-ish?!
Post by: Philosofree on April 13, 2015, 02:01:36 PM
I just remembered something: Stefan never went back and corrected the misinformation he disseminated about gays in his one podcast. If I remember correctly, a radio host got him to apologize for his statements and he promised he would correct the record.
Yup, it was when Stef was a co-host on Free Talk Live:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXlTqKRk30g (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXlTqKRk30g)

I went back to the video where he said it but he hadn't corrected it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzX1pVaKhRY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzX1pVaKhRY)
Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux finds God-ish?!
Post by: poopmeat on April 16, 2015, 04:37:44 AM
Has anybody else noticed Stefan's archaic misconceptions of gay people? According to Stefan, gays decorate homes very well, they have sex with total strangers, they are gay because they were molested or experienced some sort of sexual trauma as children, and that they are "divas" according to this new video.

I just remembered something: Stefan never went back and corrected the misinformation he disseminated about gays in his one podcast. If I remember correctly, a radio host got him to apologize for his statements and he promised he would correct the record.

Add that to the list of false promises including the unfinished documentary and all the other bullshit I can't think of right now.

fdrliberated members should finish Stefan Molyneux's documentary but of course put their own information on it about who Molyneux is or something else.
It would definitely spite Molyneux whose basically incapable of getting the documentary finished even when he has the funds to do so.
Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux finds God-ish?!
Post by: Mike_Lice on April 30, 2015, 11:24:01 AM
Hey guys, I made a new video about Stefan talking about how good religion is. Hope you like it

https://youtu.be/6hvUJ6EnQks
Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux finds God-ish?!
Post by: Rafaman on April 30, 2015, 10:53:17 PM
Interesting to see the change in Stef’s delivery. He has transitioned from a passive know-it-all to a caricature shock-jock.

The first part of your video shows the recent Moly . A ranting hyperactive preacher.  The over-the-top facial expressions along with the terrible acting, (this is my sad face, now my happy face, this is my serious face). You can see why he never got anywhere in acting and theatre. Everything is so forced and telegraphed.

If you watch closely at 0.47 you can even see a slight smile from him, almost thinking to himself “yeah that was witty and funny, you are good”.  Stef absolutely LOVES LOVES the camera. He is constantly looking at himself and relishing every moment knowing his followers are hanging off his words. There aren’t any props, no cut aways - nothing. Just 50 straight minutes of a close up of HIS face, because it so very important to watch his every reaction and he's so entertaining that the audience would not get bored. (such a monstrous ego). I don’t know how people watch this tripe.

Another observation is how Stefan will go on a long rant and once finished will immediately shift his eyes downwards. I assume he is looking at his computer screen where his FDR forum is open. Stef is looking for instant validation from his followers. He is really just playing to a crowd. The content and message  is a distant second to garnering attention. His recent videos are so diluted of substance. Excusing the emotive language and loud voice he presents a simplified argument to be on the guard against “evil people ”. You can’t dumb it down anymore than that Stef.
Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux finds God-ish?!
Post by: money detonator on May 02, 2015, 07:39:24 PM
The first part of your video shows the recent Moly . A ranting hyperactive preacher.  The over-the-top facial expressions along with the terrible acting, (this is my sad face, now my happy face, this is my serious face). You can see why he never got anywhere in acting and theatre. Everything is so forced and telegraphed.

These frequent animated rants make me highly doubt his emphatic pronouncements about being a "peaceful parent" who never so much as raises his voice at home, or interrupts.
Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux finds God-ish?!
Post by: Mike_Lice on May 03, 2015, 01:57:19 AM
The first part of your video shows the recent Moly . A ranting hyperactive preacher.  The over-the-top facial expressions along with the terrible acting, (this is my sad face, now my happy face, this is my serious face). You can see why he never got anywhere in acting and theatre. Everything is so forced and telegraphed.

These frequent animated rants make me highly doubt his emphatic pronouncements about being a "peaceful parent" who never so much as raises his voice at home, or interrupts.

If you watch the end of the podcast "The Foundation of Quality Relationships!"you can see Stefan get annoyed with the caller for being monotone, and for forgetting what Stefan said at the beginning of the call when the caller repeats a question he made earlier.
Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux finds God-ish?!
Post by: Mike_Lice on May 05, 2015, 06:54:40 PM
Hey I made a new video, I stumbled upon Stefan leaving out information when telling the same story to 2 different callers, and then some.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuygYjOS5DE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuygYjOS5DE)
Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux finds God-ish?!
Post by: mikef on May 05, 2015, 08:47:25 PM

These frequent animated rants make me highly doubt his emphatic pronouncements about being a "peaceful parent" who never so much as raises his voice at home, or interrupts.

Not only that, but the fact he quite readily uses guilt to get what he wants.

His daughter will probably end up having guilt issues when she's older.  She may well feel guilty just for existing and feel that she is fundamentally worthless and has no value as a human being.

Just imagine when she is a teenager and begins to question his nonsense.    Like all children of narcissists it's going to be a very difficult transition to adulthood for her.   

The other option is that she will become basically as narcissistic as he is.  Basically a toss-up between the 2 I would say.
Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux finds God-ish?!
Post by: Rafaman on May 05, 2015, 10:26:38 PM
Hey I made a new video, I stumbled upon Stefan leaving out information when telling the same story to 2 different callers, and then some.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuygYjOS5DE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuygYjOS5DE)

Stef is laying it on THICK in the second half of the video. All that is missing is a violin. I quite enjoyed the performance.
* The slight pitch inflection on certain words to evoke a feeling of seriousness and discovery (e.g. “commUNITY”, “stepped UP”, “disARMING”, “the famILY”).
* The crying
* Biting his top lip trying to hold off the intense sadness that comes from his memories
* The speaking in a soft whisper
* The constant pauses….pauses...in the story telling to hold the callers attention. (“they drove him to hospital they supported the family…….now that’s...now that is the love thy enemy stuff…...that is fundamentally disarming”)
* Stef loves to give multiple examples about the periphery context of a story.  In this case the story is about a man, but Stef doesn’t stop there no he is described as “an old-friends father…he’d been a scientist a biologist,  a teacher, a professor, an atheist”. Just to further humanise the story and make it sound so real that Stef actually knew this person. Even though Stef doesn’t mention that he himself even visited the sick man in hospital. I get the impression that if this story is true, Stefan is telling the story he was told and never even met the individual in question.

Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux finds God-ish?!
Post by: Rafaman on May 05, 2015, 10:33:06 PM
Hey I made a new video, I stumbled upon Stefan leaving out information when telling the same story to 2 different callers, and then some.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuygYjOS5DE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuygYjOS5DE)

Here is a hilarious scene from team America "I put a jihad on them". The parody of an ultra emotional tear-jerker moment. It's basically the same BS that Moly pulls with his listeners in the video you made.  All the same emotional story telling features are present (the pauses, the pitch changes, the soft whispers, the climatic finale etc).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiyqM4gFUgE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiyqM4gFUgE)
Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux finds God-ish?!
Post by: Mike_Lice on May 06, 2015, 05:01:40 AM
* Stef loves to give multiple examples about the periphery context of a story.  In this case the story is about a man, but Stef doesn’t stop there no he is described as “an old-friends father…he’d been a scientist a biologist,  a teacher, a professor, an atheist”. Just to further humanise the story and make it sound so real that Stef actually knew this person. Even though Stef doesn’t mention that he himself even visited the sick man in hospital. I get the impression that if this story is true, Stefan is telling the story he was told and never even met the individual in question.

Stefan leaving out details that change the context of a story makes you wonder what he left out when talking about his childhood.
Is his mother really that bad based on Stefan's recounting? Maybe if you heard his brother's perspective you would hear a whole different story.
Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux finds God-ish?!
Post by: money detonator on May 06, 2015, 01:26:31 PM

These frequent animated rants make me highly doubt his emphatic pronouncements about being a "peaceful parent" who never so much as raises his voice at home, or interrupts.

Not only that, but the fact he quite readily uses guilt to get what he wants.

His daughter will probably end up having guilt issues when she's older.  She may well feel guilty just for existing and feel that she is fundamentally worthless and has no value as a human being.

Just imagine when she is a teenager and begins to question his nonsense.    Like all children of narcissists it's going to be a very difficult transition to adulthood for her.   

The other option is that she will become basically as narcissistic as he is.  Basically a toss-up between the 2 I would say.

It doesn't have to be a toss up.  She's at risk of suffering all of the above.  As has been said before elsewhere on this board, she is his biggest victim, because she doesn't have the option to leave like everyone else, including his wife.  She is in that gulag Stefan is so fond of talking about.

Face it, Stefan is a bottomless pit of emotional neediness that she will have to tend to as long as she hasn't done a full defoo.  There is a call where he says that when she is grown, he will be part of her life and her future family's life even if he has to "live under a bridge".  What is implied in that statement is that if he is living under a bridge, then he isn't welcome in her home and he's basically stalking her.  How would he feel if his mother insisted on being part of his life?
Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux finds God-ish?!
Post by: mikef on May 07, 2015, 12:36:39 AM

It doesn't have to be a toss up.  She's at risk of suffering all of the above.  As has been said before elsewhere on this board, she is his biggest victim, because she doesn't have the option to leave like everyone else, including his wife.  She is in that gulag Stefan is so fond of talking about.

Face it, Stefan is a bottomless pit of emotional neediness that she will have to tend to as long as she hasn't done a full defoo.  There is a call where he says that when she is grown, he will be part of her life and her future family's life even if he has to "live under a bridge".  What is implied in that statement is that if he is living under a bridge, then he isn't welcome in her home and he's basically stalking her.  How would he feel if his mother insisted on being part of his life?

Yeah, it's kind of contradictory but Molyneux will be moulding her in his own image to some extent, particularly as she is an only child, and so she will likely have a tendency towards narcissism herself.  At the same time, as you point out, the father is always there lurking with his demands of her.   She is a victim, no doubt.  But some victims go on to continue to be victims and some go on to be abusers themselves.     Going on to be an abuser is for many I think, the easy path and just comes naturally.  Trying to figure out what has happened and undo the damage and try to live a healthy life is a long, hard road, but ultimately, in my experience anyway, the most rewarding I think.   
Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux finds God-ish?!
Post by: Prodigal son on May 07, 2015, 05:45:08 AM
Trying to figure out what has happened and undo the damage and try to live a healthy life is a long, hard road, but ultimately, in my experience anyway, the most rewarding I think.

This is a prickly matter, or has become so of late. The idea that figuring out what has happened seems perfectly sound, as far as one is able. I think the power of observation coupled with a bit of philosophy can do the trick. I'm no longer in favour of shrinks at all. Those people have their own agenda and they can wreak tremendous damage. I speak from experience of several cases including my own. I do think we need a guide or a plurality of guides, but instinct seems to function quite well here and no formal relationship need be defined. We in turn can act as guides for others. It's the human condition.

Undoing the damage, however, is not a simple matter as we all know. Indeed, no reliable scientific method of achieving this has ever been identified. This is reflected in our inability to heal people suffering from serious personality 'disorders' such as manic depression who seem, in the main, to have to learn to live with them. Schizophrenia too is incurable as far as I know, and psychosis too.
It follows that also less extreme conditions, whether or not their causes lie in our past, are very resistant to change.

I know that lifestyle choices and willpower play a role, but willpower is impossible to generate in a vacuum. I don't know what spurs me, sooner or later, to get a smile on and get stuck in. It just happens, although many days may go by before that occurs in certain periods of my life.

I agree that identifying the source of our feelings is cathartic and can alleviate such feelings, but the damage remains. To delve into the realm of mysticism and genetics for a moment, as I am wont to do, it is posited by some that our feelings and struggles arise not just from our birth families, but also from ancestors we have never met. This makes sense, to me at least, both in the nature and nurture paradigm, because, in the latter case, ancestral preferences and behaviours clearly contribute to moulding the environment or perception of later generations (genes in the former).

I think that's all fairly uncontroversial, although when I relate the power, for example, of a family constellation session I am expecting to raise some eyebrows.
Primitive people well understood the ancestral spirit world, or so they imagined. These are tribes that have pursued their lifestyle for, I have read, up to 60k years. That country was Australia, but the figure of 40k is regularly mentioned (by clever people) in other parts of the world, though I have no idea how these figures are arrived at. It's a huge contrast to the short history of modern-day "mainstream" interpretation, in which the spirit world plays no part.

From the very little I know about it all, primitives understand what we might call psychological distress as evidence of communication or interference from the spirit world, and it is in that realm that they exercise their healing powers.
This brings me to the point at which I must introduce demons, although I am standing quite near the door and my cap is in my hand.
I have come to consider (and I am far from alone in this) that demons exist and can trouble us greatly. I also believe that they can be exorcised.

Speaking from the edge of the garden:

There is much interest at present in primitive medicine. It is in this context that some people have become deeply curious about the aboriginal "dream time" concept and started to use aboriginal healing techniques to cure psychological illness. I am told (and it could be total bollocks) that it works. That people, however skeptical, can undergo a brief session with a practitioner in a process of verbal interaction and laying on of hands (if I recall), and can thus be cured of even the serious and completely intractable conditions I have mentioned.

I know a woman who suffers from manic depression and has done so for all of her life. She is wealthy and has experimented with a vast range of different mainstream and alternative treatments available in different parts of the world, but her condition simply worsens. She spends months in bed with glassy  eyed stare and an apparent inability to respond to a friendly greeting, interspersed with manic periods in which she spends enormous amounts of money pointlessly and behaves in a haughty and ultimately insulting manner to anyone she encounters, before retiring once more to her bed for a few months.
Subjectively, she truly does seem to be possessed by some malign spirit.

Exorcism has a bad name in the West because it was handled by the Catholic Church, which organisation, I think we will mainly agree, cannot be trusted in its aims and methods.
However, it may be that if such techniques are placed in the hands of economically disinterested (not an automatic assumption - there are charlatans and narcissists in all spheres) persons of a less prejudiced nature, they can be practiced to  good effect.

Now, shall I retreat into the woods or will someone put the kettle on?
Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux finds God-ish?!
Post by: money detonator on May 16, 2015, 02:29:03 PM
Hey I made a new video, I stumbled upon Stefan leaving out information when telling the same story to 2 different callers, and then some.

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuygYjOS5DE[/url] ([url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuygYjOS5DE[/url])


This is a great catch.  It takes a lot of attention to detail to find when he alters the same stories to fit the current situation (something he feels the need to go out of his way to deny, btw)



There is a Tru Shibes video where he alters the story about being offered, and turning down, lucrative Part Time employment in order to pursue doing FDR full-time, when, at the time, he made podcasts that said that he asked for part-time employment only to be ignored and let go from his employer!  He altered the story to convince his current caller and his fellow musicians to quit their jobs.
https://youtu.be/MO90S59mamE (https://youtu.be/MO90S59mamE)




Here is another recent flip flop I found concerning cops and the military:

Police Ambivalence - Call In Show - May 6th, 2015
http://www.fdrpodcasts.com/#/2969/police-ambivalence-call-in-show-may-6th-2015 (http://www.fdrpodcasts.com/#/2969/police-ambivalence-call-in-show-may-6th-2015)

At around 19 min. in, he tells the caller that 10 years ago, he encouraged empathy for cops, and wanted libertarians to see that they were victims of the system too, and not just  "evil fascist robots from hell"; “that’s just unfair”.


However, back then, he called them "killbots"!  Irredeemable killing robots!

he talks about "the killbot class" starting around 20minutes: https://youtu.be/RDudKTuYvOw?t=20m00s (https://youtu.be/RDudKTuYvOw?t=20m00s)