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Title: Molyneux tours Australia and New Zealand July - Aug 2018
Post by: money detonator on July 11, 2018, 06:13:36 PM
He's doing a speaking tour with Lauren Southern July - Aug

https://axiomatic.events



"best-selling author"?  ???
$750 for dinner w/ them  ::)

"The precise venues in each city will be advised via SMS or email to ticket holders only 24 hours prior to each event."
 ???
Title: Re: Molyneux tours Australia and New Zealand July - Aug 2018
Post by: summa logicae on July 11, 2018, 08:19:50 PM
Nothing reeks of "intellectual fraud" more than charging 750 dollars for someone to sit at the same table with you to eat, particularly when you're already a millionaire like Molyneux.
Title: Re: Molyneux tours Australia and New Zealand July - Aug 2018
Post by: money detonator on July 12, 2018, 08:43:20 PM
As of today, tickets still aren’t available for the August date in Aukland, NZ.   That suggests to me they were unable to workaround or change the ban Aukland’s mayor imposed on them.  They had a hard time getting visas approved for Australia, which only came through 2 days ago.

Far-right pair banned from speaking at Auckland Council venues - Phil Goff
https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/361220/far-right-pair-banned-from-speaking-at-auckland-council-venues-phil-goff (https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/361220/far-right-pair-banned-from-speaking-at-auckland-council-venues-phil-goff)

at the end of the article:
Quote

Mr Molyneux heads the organisation Freedomain Radio, an online group that was described as a cult.
 
It seems no matter how many times he tries to reinvent his image, his reputation follows him.


Australian government declines visa for right-wing activist Lauren Southern ahead of speaking tour

https://www.news.com.au/finance/business/media/australian-government-declines-visa-for-rightwing-activist-lauren-southern-ahead-of-speaking-tour/news-story/7b9a15a56981e4508e5305887f85c0e3 (https://www.news.com.au/finance/business/media/australian-government-declines-visa-for-rightwing-activist-lauren-southern-ahead-of-speaking-tour/news-story/7b9a15a56981e4508e5305887f85c0e3)

flyer:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DhWJN5dWAAAFMte.jpg:small)
Title: Re: Molyneux tours Australia and New Zealand July - Aug 2018
Post by: The Observer on July 13, 2018, 03:27:31 PM

"best-selling author"?  ???



 ;D  Hilarious.  Selling a few hundred self-published books on Amazon does make you a best selling author. 
Title: Re: Molyneux tours Australia and New Zealand July - Aug 2018
Post by: Lupus on July 13, 2018, 11:15:08 PM
You know, I'm all for free speech, I don't think Molyneux or absolutely anyone should ever be prevented from speaking, anywhere, if there's an audience who want to hear them - but I can't help laugh at all this, it's great to see Molyneux finally climb out of his tiny stay-at-home-mom bubble and experience, for himself, some of the shit he's been stirring up for years.  ;D

I bet he was livid seeing himself so relegated - in both the above linked articles - to little more than a footnote to Lauren Southern, one article describing the world's best ever 'philosopher' as "commentator Stefan Molyneux".  ;D
Title: Re: Molyneux tours Australia and New Zealand July - Aug 2018
Post by: money detonator on July 14, 2018, 12:16:57 PM
You know, I'm all for free speech, I don't think Molyneux or absolutely anyone should ever be prevented from speaking, anywhere, if there's an audience who want to hear them - but I can't help laugh at all this, it's great to see Molyneux finally climb out of his tiny stay-at-home-mom bubble and experience, for himself, some of the shit he's been stirring up for years.  ;D

To be accurate, their visas were approved, so, they are free to physically go where they want in the two countries, and to spout what they want.  They aren't prohibited from speech; They are prohibited from using their venue of choice in Aukland.

The Aukland mayor, at the request of many of his constituents, would not allow them use of an "Aukland Council venue".  They could find another venue to speak if they wanted.  It's not that they are forbidden to speak, or forbidden to go to Aukland.

Tweets by Mayor:

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.@AklCouncil venues shouldn't be used to stir up ethnic or religious tensions. Views that divide rather than unite are repugnant and I have made my views on this very clear. Lauren Southern and Stefan Molyneux will not be speaking at any Council venues.
https://twitter.com/phil_goff/status/1015056094945611776

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Let me be very clear, the right to free speech does not mean the right to be provided with an @AklCouncil platform for that speech.
https://twitter.com/phil_goff/status/1015069949700665345


I might be a tiny bit more sympathetic if they weren't claiming the same right themselves as the mayor.  In the "Terms of Service" on the ticket sales page of the Axiomatic, they themselves reserve the right to refuse entry to ticket holders:

Quote
Terms & Conditions
1. The promoter, Axiomatic Media Pty Ltd, its agents and servants (we) reserve the right to refuse entry to anyone.




I bet he was livid seeing himself so relegated - in both the above linked articles - to little more than a footnote to Lauren Southern, one article describing the world's best ever 'philosopher' as "commentator Stefan Molyneux".  ;D

I got that same impression while reading about the whole controversy.  It almost feels like Molyneux's a chaperone.   Even though he gets his name listed first and on top, it doesn't seem quite right.  He's riding on her coattails and barely hanging on in sharing the spotlight. 


it's great to see Molyneux finally climb out of his tiny stay-at-home-mom bubble and experience, for himself, some of the shit he's been stirring up for years.  ;D

I think he hid behind the camera because he isn't very charismatic in person.  His early podcasts were mostly about how no one liked him and everyone (esp. women and co-workers) kept rejecting him, and how he concluded that it must have been because they envied his intellectual and moral superiority.  People who've met him at Libertarian gatherings say he's withdrawn and not impressive.  After he gave the speech at Amsterdam (hilarious to listen to because you can hear a pin drop after he tried to crack jokes), he complained in his podcasts that at the mixers no one would talk to him or listen to him talk about his Masters degree and thesis (LOL!).  I think he's more at home (literally)  talking at a safe distance in front of a camera with complete control to browbeat or hang up on insecure callers, and performing for self selected adoring fans he can keep at a safe distance online, where he can hit the ban button if anyone bothers or challenges him.
Title: Re: Molyneux tours Australia and New Zealand July - Aug 2018
Post by: Lupus on July 14, 2018, 12:31:39 PM
To be accurate, their visas were approved, so, they are free to physically go where they want in the two countries, and to spout what they want.  They aren't prohibited from speech; They are prohibited from using their venue of choice in Aukland.

Thanks for the clarification.

I might be a tiny bit more sympathetic if they weren't claiming the same right themselves as the mayor.  In the "Terms of Service" on the ticket sales page of the Axiomatic, they themselves reserve the right to refuse entry to ticket holders

Lol, well what's new, Molyneux has always been a terrible hypocrite, you name the edict he's issued to his audience and the wider world and it's usually trivial to find multiple examples of him doing the very opposite.
Title: Re: Molyneux tours Australia and New Zealand July - Aug 2018
Post by: Lupus on July 14, 2018, 08:08:53 PM
I think he hid behind the camera because he isn't very charismatic in person.  His early podcasts were mostly about how no one liked him and everyone (esp. women and co-workers) kept rejecting him, and how he concluded that it must have been because they envied his intellectual and moral superiority.  People who've met him at Libertarian gatherings say he's withdrawn and not impressive.  After he gave the speech at Amsterdam (hilarious to listen to because you can hear a pin drop after he tried to crack jokes). . . .

Do you have a link to that - or a title to search for . . . ?

he complained in his podcasts that at the mixers no one would talk to him or listen to him talk about his Masters degree and thesis (LOL!).  I think he's more at home (literally)  talking at a safe distance in front of a camera with complete control to browbeat or hang up on insecure callers, and performing for self selected adoring fans he can keep at a safe distance online, where he can hit the ban button if anyone bothers or challenges him.

Yes, I also suspect this need to control the conversation is also the reason he doesn't tend to engage people at any length in written formats, even something as straightforward and accessible as the comments section of his own videos you'll rarely see a post from him longer than 'not an argument', he's long abandoned his own forum . . . . in a written/typed exchange you can't easily browbeat, you can't interupt or talk over someone, you can't say what can and cannot be discussed or how it should be discussed, all your emoting and theatrics and face palming and shouting and dead eyed starring at the camera are lost in a written exchange . . . basically Molyneux's approach relies on a spoken exchange (or to be more precise a largely one-way 'exchange' with the caller acting as a springboard for Molyneux's long monologues and opinions), if he had to debate someone in a measured written exchange then all his tedious asides and analogies and anecdotes and self-aggrandisement would soon show themselves up as the irrelevant filler material they are, attempts to derail a debate that's not going in his favour would also be much more difficult, and when he's really struggling and turns to personal insults, attacks and amateur psychologising of his interlocutor, what works in a heated exchange simply wouldn't work in a written exchange. Molyneux needs the control bubble of him and a caller, with the caller licking his arse and Molyneux's finger on the mute button.
Title: Re: Molyneux tours Australia and New Zealand July - Aug 2018
Post by: money detonator on July 15, 2018, 12:15:58 AM
I think he hid behind the camera because he isn't very charismatic in person.  His early podcasts were mostly about how no one liked him and everyone (esp. women and co-workers) kept rejecting him, and how he concluded that it must have been because they envied his intellectual and moral superiority.  People who've met him at Libertarian gatherings say he's withdrawn and not impressive.  After he gave the speech at Amsterdam (hilarious to listen to because you can hear a pin drop after he tried to crack jokes). . . .

Do you have a link to that - or a title to search for . . . ?

https://youtu.be/joITmEr4SjY
Title: Re: Molyneux tours Australia and New Zealand July - Aug 2018
Post by: Lupus on July 15, 2018, 06:49:05 PM
I think he hid behind the camera because he isn't very charismatic in person.  His early podcasts were mostly about how no one liked him and everyone (esp. women and co-workers) kept rejecting him, and how he concluded that it must have been because they envied his intellectual and moral superiority.  People who've met him at Libertarian gatherings say he's withdrawn and not impressive.  After he gave the speech at Amsterdam (hilarious to listen to because you can hear a pin drop after he tried to crack jokes). . . .

Do you have a link to that - or a title to search for . . . ?

https://youtu.be/joITmEr4SjY

Thanks, I'll a look.
Title: Re: Molyneux tours Australia and New Zealand July - Aug 2018
Post by: Lupus on July 15, 2018, 07:04:45 PM
https://youtu.be/joITmEr4SjY

Quick question for the North Americans, when you say 'graduate level' do you mean degree level, is Molyneux's claim at the start of the video that 'I’ve studied philosophy at ‘a graduate level’ a claim that he did a degree in philosophy ?

I'm not 100% sure how education qualifications are graded in North America.

This claim sort of caught my attention, because it's well known that he didn't study for a degree in philosophy, he's said so himself many times . . . example: "not one of us (here at FDR) has a degree in philosophy" (FDR 3162).

?
Title: Re: Molyneux tours Australia and New Zealand July - Aug 2018
Post by: The Observer on July 15, 2018, 08:44:38 PM
https://youtu.be/joITmEr4SjY

Quick question for the North Americans, when you say 'graduate level' do you mean degree level, is Molyneux's claim at the start of the video that 'I’ve studied philosophy at ‘a graduate level’ a claim that he did a degree in philosophy ?

I'm not 100% sure how education qualifications are graded in North America.

This claim sort of caught my attention, because it's well known that he didn't study for a degree in philosophy, he's said so himself many times . . . example: "not one of us (here at FDR) has a degree in philosophy" (FDR 3162).

?

Graduate-level just means masters level in America (same as postgraduate in England).  I believe he did take a class on Aristotle while in his masters program, but he completed a History maters, not Philosophy.  So he's stretching the truth a bit by saying that.
Title: Re: Molyneux tours Australia and New Zealand July - Aug 2018
Post by: The Observer on July 15, 2018, 08:46:15 PM
Someone made a video today saying that Southern had her vis revoked.  I can't confirm if it's true, but I would hope that they would not do this.  I may not like someone's opinions, but that shouldn't stop them from speaking.
Title: Re: Molyneux tours Australia and New Zealand July - Aug 2018
Post by: money detonator on July 16, 2018, 11:33:17 AM
[url]https://youtu.be/joITmEr4SjY[/url] ([url]https://youtu.be/joITmEr4SjY[/url])


Quick question for the North Americans, when you say 'graduate level' do you mean degree level, is Molyneux's claim at the start of the video that 'I’ve studied philosophy at ‘a graduate level’ a claim that he did a degree in philosophy ?

I'm not 100% sure how education qualifications are graded in North America.

This claim sort of caught my attention, because it's well known that he didn't study for a degree in philosophy, he's said so himself many times . . . example: "not one of us (here at FDR) has a degree in philosophy" (FDR 3162).

?


So many exaggerations and inaccuracies within the first few minutes, then it gets worse from there when he starts trying to spin economics to sound like he knows anything about cryptocurrencies besides getting them as donations.

"Millions of people" didn't listen to him.  He usually had 30-100 listeners when he streamed his live show at that time.  Each YT video only gets in the tens of thousands of clicks, and his YT subs were less that 500K at that time.  He had millions of downloads, but each download isn't a unique person, since each person can download/stream hundreds or thousands of podcasts, and the same ones many times, if they listen to a few minutes here or there streaming at different times.

Also, he wasn't "running a radio station".

His Masters and undergrad degrees are in History.

This is him saying he was scared of taking philosophy and "didn't want anything to do with it", and his desperation in finding any kind of success:

https://youtu.be/_h6Dp56FMvM (https://youtu.be/_h6Dp56FMvM)

http://youtu.be/_h6Dp56FMvM (http://youtu.be/_h6Dp56FMvM)
Title: Re: Molyneux tours Australia and New Zealand July - Aug 2018
Post by: Lupus on July 16, 2018, 12:37:03 PM
Graduate-level just means masters level in America (same as postgraduate in England).

So that would be a master's degree . . . . essentially saying you've 'studied X at graduate level’ is a claim to have done a master's degree ?

I believe he did take a class on Aristotle while in his masters program, but he completed a History maters, not Philosophy.  So he's stretching the truth a bit by saying that.

Yeah, it looks like he's attempting to suggest he has a degree in philosophy, which is not the case, to most casual observers you'd think you'd just been told that he has a master's degree in philosophy.
Title: Re: Molyneux tours Australia and New Zealand July - Aug 2018
Post by: Lupus on July 16, 2018, 12:38:19 PM
Someone made a video today saying that Southern had her vis revoked.  I can't confirm if it's true, but I would hope that they would not do this.  I may not like someone's opinions, but that shouldn't stop them from speaking.

Same thoughts here, people might say all sorts of things you don't like, but they should never be stopped from speaking.
Title: Re: Molyneux tours Australia and New Zealand July - Aug 2018
Post by: Lupus on July 16, 2018, 12:43:17 PM
So many exaggerations and inaccuracies within the first few minutes, then it gets worse from there when he starts trying to spin economics to sound like he knows anything about cryptocurrencies besides getting them as donations.

The one thing I took away from the talk was how prosaic it all was, nothing new, nothing original or insightful, just the same old talking points you've heard from hundreds of talking heads online.
Title: Re: Molyneux tours Australia and New Zealand July - Aug 2018
Post by: summa logicae on July 16, 2018, 03:56:22 PM
It seems the only thing he really remembers from any classes on Aristotle he might have taken was the "Aristotelian mean" that he shoehorns in at times on any arbitrary topic, whether it applies or not.
Title: Re: Molyneux tours Australia and New Zealand July - Aug 2018
Post by: Hierophant on August 01, 2018, 06:39:00 PM
Molyneux got himself a new woman to exploit?

https://www.sbs.com.au/nitv/article/2017/07/30/far-right-canadian-duos-vile-rampage-against-aboriginal-culture-sydney-event (https://www.sbs.com.au/nitv/article/2017/07/30/far-right-canadian-duos-vile-rampage-against-aboriginal-culture-sydney-event)

Far-right Canadian duo’s vile rampage against Aboriginal culture at Sydney event

Canadian far-right pair Stefan Molyneux and Lauren Southern made the degrading comments at a speaking event in Sydney on Friday, which was live-tweeted by an audience member.

Title: Re: Molyneux tours Australia and New Zealand July - Aug 2018
Post by: Weston Dupree on August 01, 2018, 07:42:04 PM
Molyneux got himself a new woman to exploit?

I wouldn't say he's exploiting Lauren Southern. She can think for herself. Whether it's left-wing or right-wing media, you gotta take this stuff with a grain of salt because everything is so partisan these days. 
Title: Re: Molyneux tours Australia and New Zealand July - Aug 2018
Post by: Hierophant on August 01, 2018, 09:49:55 PM
I mean, we all know how he treated his last girlfriend...
Title: Re: Molyneux tours Australia and New Zealand July - Aug 2018
Post by: Faith on August 01, 2018, 10:04:58 PM
Who was his last girlfriend?
Was he cheating or is that just a figure of speech?
Title: Re: Molyneux tours Australia and New Zealand July - Aug 2018
Post by: Elucidated on August 02, 2018, 11:16:44 AM
Protesters getting ready for them in NZ

https://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/105940852/multiple-groups-planning-peaceful-protest-at-lauren-southern-stefan-molyneux-event (https://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/105940852/multiple-groups-planning-peaceful-protest-at-lauren-southern-stefan-molyneux-event)
*Edit:Wow - just read all the comments beneath the article, mostly praising them and saying they are not far right.
Title: Re: Molyneux tours Australia and New Zealand July - Aug 2018
Post by: Excultmember90 on August 02, 2018, 08:55:06 PM
I love how Lauren goes to Lakemba to confront the no go zone and Stefan is MIA.  And then conveniently he shows up afterwards to gives his take on what happened.  Real classy Stefan, let a young woman and little camera man go all by themselves...
Title: Re: Molyneux tours Australia and New Zealand July - Aug 2018
Post by: Hierophant on August 03, 2018, 01:09:32 AM
Who was his last girlfriend?

You know, the psychologist or whatever. I don't remember her name. It's been way too long for me...
Title: Re: Molyneux tours Australia and New Zealand July - Aug 2018
Post by: Elucidated on August 03, 2018, 02:47:03 AM
Who was his last girlfriend?


You know, the psychologist or whatever. I don't remember her name. It's been way too long for me...

You mean his wife, Christina

http://www.fdrliberated.com/stefan-molyneux-wife-christina-papadopoulos-guilty-of-professional-misconduct/

 (http://www.fdrliberated.com/stefan-molyneux-wife-christina-papadopoulos-guilty-of-professional-misconduct/)
Title: Re: Molyneux tours Australia and New Zealand July - Aug 2018
Post by: Excultmember90 on August 03, 2018, 11:45:28 AM
I find the whole thing a bit creepy to be frank.  I wouldn't be at all surprised if Stefan had Lauren in his sights in some sick twisted way.  I hope I'm wrong here.
Title: Re: Molyneux tours Australia and New Zealand July - Aug 2018
Post by: Patience on August 03, 2018, 01:15:41 PM
Protesters getting ready for them in NZ

https://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/105940852/multiple-groups-planning-peaceful-protest-at-lauren-southern-stefan-molyneux-event (https://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/105940852/multiple-groups-planning-peaceful-protest-at-lauren-southern-stefan-molyneux-event)
*Edit:Wow - just read all the comments beneath the article, mostly praising them and saying they are not far right.

The owner of the venue cancelled their booking!
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2018/08/livestream-patrick-gower-interviews-lauren-southern-and-stefan-molyneux.html (https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2018/08/livestream-patrick-gower-interviews-lauren-southern-and-stefan-molyneux.html)
Title: Re: Molyneux tours Australia and New Zealand July - Aug 2018
Post by: Elucidated on August 03, 2018, 03:33:49 PM
Protesters getting ready for them in NZ

https://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/105940852/multiple-groups-planning-peaceful-protest-at-lauren-southern-stefan-molyneux-event (https://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/105940852/multiple-groups-planning-peaceful-protest-at-lauren-southern-stefan-molyneux-event)
*Edit:Wow - just read all the comments beneath the article, mostly praising them and saying they are not far right.

The owner of the venue cancelled their booking!
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2018/08/livestream-patrick-gower-interviews-lauren-southern-and-stefan-molyneux.html (https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2018/08/livestream-patrick-gower-interviews-lauren-southern-and-stefan-molyneux.html)

Unfortunately they'll try and use it to their advantage

Quote
..an agent for Ms Southern, told Newshub that "powerful forces" were opposed to the event

No Lauren, just people, people were opposed to the event, you're not that important


Title: Re: Molyneux tours Australia and New Zealand July - Aug 2018
Post by: money detonator on August 04, 2018, 07:34:56 PM
A twitter thread with some videos of NZ telling them to get lost:

https://twitter.com/MoaVideos/status/1025332967873232897
Title: Re: Molyneux tours Australia and New Zealand July - Aug 2018
Post by: The Observer on August 04, 2018, 10:24:16 PM
I was wondering how Molyneux would use the Australia problems to create a "I need your help now!" video.   Sure enough, he's saying he can stop a Civil War from happening if you donate to him.   Yet he's the only one who desperately wants a war to happen.  Molyneux will never say to his fans "we won" because it would mean the end of his donation money.  I can't believe how many people fall for this.  ;D

He's also complaining that the costs of the bodyguards "hurt his finances."  Well, just dip into that 2 million dollars of bitcoin you cashed out. 
Title: Re: Molyneux tours Australia and New Zealand July - Aug 2018
Post by: Excultmember90 on August 05, 2018, 12:41:41 AM
Well, just dip into that 2 million dollars of bitcoin you cashed out. 

I've heard this, but I haven't been able to "prove" it.  Can you direct me to a reference please?
Title: Re: Molyneux tours Australia and New Zealand July - Aug 2018
Post by: The Observer on August 05, 2018, 01:12:22 AM
He has received 683 bitcoins.  He cashed out 677 of them.  Bitcoin was worth about 4,000.00 USD when he cashed out most of it.   677 x $4,000 = $2,708,000.00.  If he held onto them, they would be worth almost double that amount.

https://www.blockchain.com/en/btc/address/1Fd8RuZqJNG4v56rPD1v6rgYptwnHeJRWs (https://www.blockchain.com/en/btc/address/1Fd8RuZqJNG4v56rPD1v6rgYptwnHeJRWs)
Title: Re: Molyneux tours Australia and New Zealand July - Aug 2018
Post by: Lupus on August 05, 2018, 01:26:54 AM
Well, just dip into that 2 million dollars of bitcoin you cashed out. 

I've heard this, but I haven't been able to "prove" it.  Can you direct me to a reference please?

The Bitcoin ledger is public, so anyone can look at any wallet and check out the balance, all the money in, money out transactions and so on.

I was taking a look through Molyneux's wallet mid 2017 and at the start of June he withdrew around 310 Bitcoin (this is public record so easy to verify) - I can't remember the exact Bitcoin exchange rate at the time, but I remember he took out several hundreds of thousands (US), leaving several hundreds of thousands more in the wallet - you could look up the exchange rate for June 1st/2nd 2017 for an more exact figure.

. . . . . . .

EDIT, just did a very quick check, the Bitcoin exchange rate for June 2017 was around 1BTC to $2500 (US), so on the first and second of June (17) he withdrew around $775,000 US (~310BTC).

Like I say, this is all public record, so if you can be bothered, you can pin it down to the last penny, but this should give you a pretty accurate picture.

(https://s8.postimg.cc/hjah4lelh/Screen_Shot_2017-06-05_at_20.52.33.png)
Title: Re: Molyneux tours Australia and New Zealand July - Aug 2018
Post by: Excultmember90 on August 05, 2018, 01:37:45 AM
Thanks guys, I know very little about cryptos so I didn't know what to look for.  This is frankly ridiculous, I just watched his last e-begging video of his and you'd think he is broke from the tone of it. 

Can I use the screenshot for a video I'm making on Molyneux?  Credit attributed to where due of course. 

EDIT: Forgive me if this is daft, but how do I go find his bitcoin ledger? 
Title: Re: Molyneux tours Australia and New Zealand July - Aug 2018
Post by: Lupus on August 05, 2018, 01:42:54 AM
He has received 683 bitcoins.  He cashed out 677 of them.  Bitcoin was worth about 4,000.00 USD when he cashed out most of it.   677 x $4,000 = $2,708,000.00.

Last time I checked, he cashed out 310BTC over two days, June 01/02 2017, at the exchange rate then (~$2,500 / 1BTC) this was a little over three quarters of a million dollars (US), leaving another 199 BTC in that account.

If he held onto them, they would be worth almost double that amount.

It's waaaaaaaaaaaaaay more than that !

June 2017 1BTC = ~2,500 U$
Dec 2017 1BTC = ~13,800 U$ (!!)
June 2018 1BTC = ~6,500 U$

Depending when, where and how much - if anything - he withdrew, he could have potentially made a lot more than $2m.

My own suspicion is that with a growing Bitcoin wallet, and with the Bitcoin price taking off so meteorically through 2017 it must have become increasingly difficult to put yet another begging video, asking for yet more money, when you had - essentially - a publicly accessible bank account with such a large balance . . . . I suspect this is the reason he moved the funds out of public sight, perhaps into another Bitcoin account ? I mean can you really do the sad faced and desperate sounding 'we desperately need your help, we can't do this without you' videos, when you are directing your audience to an account they can see contains such large sums ?
Title: Re: Molyneux tours Australia and New Zealand July - Aug 2018
Post by: The Observer on August 05, 2018, 01:51:05 AM
@ Lupus, thanks for correcting my errors.  I had not followed his transactions as closely.  But I think we can say, he's in pretty good shape financially.

Title: Re: Molyneux tours Australia and New Zealand July - Aug 2018
Post by: The Observer on August 05, 2018, 01:54:10 AM
Thanks guys, I know very little about cryptos so I didn't know what to look for.  This is frankly ridiculous, I just watched his last e-begging video of his and you'd think he is broke from the tone of it. 

Can I use the screenshot for a video I'm making on Molyneux?  Credit attributed to where due of course. 


It's fine with me.  It's pretty well known he benefited hugely from bitcoin.   I look forward to seeing what you create!  You don't need to credit me.
Title: Re: Molyneux tours Australia and New Zealand July - Aug 2018
Post by: Lupus on August 05, 2018, 01:57:06 AM
Thanks guys, I know very little about cryptos so I didn't know what to look for.  This is frankly ridiculous, I just watched his last e-begging video of his and you'd think he is broke from the tone of it.

Yep, the tone is always one of a desperate, penniless man, who could singlehandedly save civilisation if only he had the funds . . . .

Can I use the screenshot for a video I'm making on Molyneux?  Credit attributed to where due of course.

Sure, no credit needed, let me upload a better quality screenshot . . .

EDIT: Forgive me if this is daft, but how do I go find his bitcoin ledger?

Just Google any Bitcoin wallet or Blockchain explorer - basically anything that'll let you look through a Bitcoin wallet, there are hundreds out there, try something like 'Bitcoin wallet check' or 'Bitcoin wallet lookup' . . . then stick his Bitcoin address into the 'which wallet do you want to look at' bit . . . 

Molyneux's wallet address . . . 1Fd8RuZqJNG4v56rPD1v6rgYptwnHeJRWs

At the moment his wallet is down to 6 BTC (just $43,000), as he's emptied it over the last year or so, but you can see he's had 683 BTC in total in that particular account ($4,760,000 at today's prices, but like I say he cashed out a load at last year's lower price).
Title: Re: Molyneux tours Australia and New Zealand July - Aug 2018
Post by: Lupus on August 05, 2018, 01:59:16 AM
Better quality screenshot from mid 2017 . . .

(http://funkyimg.com/i/2K9zL.png)
Title: Re: Molyneux tours Australia and New Zealand July - Aug 2018
Post by: Lupus on August 05, 2018, 02:03:53 AM
EDIT, correction, I've just realised he had 199 BTC after the big withdrawal at the start of June 17, rather than 540, apologies, I was mistakenly reading the list from the top to the bottom.

Whichever way we look at it, he's a pretty wealthy man, this Bitcoin wallet is the only publicly viewable of his accounts, but he also takes money through PayPal, credit card, cheque, bank transfer and so on, none of which the public can check.
Title: Re: Molyneux tours Australia and New Zealand July - Aug 2018
Post by: Excultmember90 on August 05, 2018, 03:06:21 AM
Thank you for your help all. 

Boy, I wish I had a million dollars to play around with.  Hell, fifty grand would be nice at this point,  :P
Title: Re: Molyneux tours Australia and New Zealand July - Aug 2018
Post by: summa logicae on August 05, 2018, 12:39:13 PM
I was wondering how Molyneux would use the Australia problems to create a "I need your help now!" video.   Sure enough, he's saying he can stop a Civil War from happening if you donate to him.   Yet he's the only one who desperately wants a war to happen.  Molyneux will never say to his fans "we won" because it would mean the end of his donation money.  I can't believe how many people fall for this.  ;D

He's also complaining that the costs of the bodyguards "hurt his finances."  Well, just dip into that 2 million dollars of bitcoin you cashed out.

I was really hoping they wouldn't cancel any of their speaking venues. That they did gives him just the ammunition he needs to give his talking points credibility by pointing to the "left" not wanting to hear the truth, while, naturally, using the opportunity to fatten his finances even further.
Title: Re: Molyneux tours Australia and New Zealand July - Aug 2018
Post by: Excultmember90 on August 05, 2018, 08:08:05 PM
Well, I just called out Stefan asking where the $1.3 million was and was banned in 45 seconds. 

Free speech in action.

Here's the sub 2 minute video I attached as well. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1L_CaALmYE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1L_CaALmYE)
Title: Re: Molyneux tours Australia and New Zealand July - Aug 2018
Post by: Lupus on August 05, 2018, 08:50:47 PM
Well, I just called out Stefan asking where the $1.3 million was and was banned in 45 seconds.

Yep, that's how it works . . . but not to worry you can email his call-in show with your criticisms and challenges and - as a critic - you will be fast tracked to the front of the queue.  ;D ;)


Title: Re: Molyneux tours Australia and New Zealand July - Aug 2018
Post by: Excultmember90 on August 05, 2018, 09:20:14 PM
Is it possible to shadow ban someone on youtube?  Because I saw a comment calling him out on one of his videos a while ago (not mine), but now it's magically gone.  I've looked 10 times, it's not there, but I have a screenshot of the comment I took yesterday, and it's quite old so I doubt he happened to find it and then just deleted it.
Title: Re: Molyneux tours Australia and New Zealand July - Aug 2018
Post by: Lupus on August 05, 2018, 10:13:56 PM
Is it possible to shadow ban someone on youtube?  Because I saw a comment calling him out on one of his videos a while ago (not mine), but now it's magically gone.  I've looked 10 times, it's not there, but I have a screenshot of the comment I took yesterday, and it's quite old so I doubt he happened to find it and then just deleted it.

Yes, as far as I am aware shadowing banning is the default Youtube method, I don't think Youtube has an absolute ban system (like Twitter or Facebook), so even though you are banned from - for example - Molyneux's channel, you are still able to view content (unlike Twitter and Facebook), and can even post in the comments section, although only you will be able to see the post.
Title: Re: Molyneux tours Australia and New Zealand July - Aug 2018
Post by: The Observer on August 06, 2018, 12:15:28 AM
I was really hoping they wouldn't cancel any of their speaking venues. That they did gives him just the ammunition he needs to give his talking points credibility by pointing to the "left" not wanting to hear the truth, while, naturally, using the opportunity to fatten his finances even further.

I totally agree with you.  It's better to let people speak and just not attend.  When people try to shut people up, it just makes their voice louder.  And yes, it just creates another excuse for another ebegging video. 

Excultmember90, yes, you can shadow ban people on youtube.  There is an option under every comment to "hide users comments from channel".   I don't like to censor people on my channel, so I don't use it.  I did once use it when someone was spamming my channel with religious texts.   I was shadow-banned from FDR a long time ago for pointing out his use of moral relativism.
Title: Re: Molyneux tours Australia and New Zealand July - Aug 2018
Post by: Excultmember90 on August 06, 2018, 02:25:35 AM
I thought so^^  I knew I saw a comment disappear before my eyes. 

Anyway, second video in the making now, will be up as soon as my internet finishes uploading (which takes a while because I'm on a remote rural 3g connection). 

EDIT: And we're live
Title: Re: Molyneux tours Australia and New Zealand July - Aug 2018
Post by: QuestEon on August 06, 2018, 07:06:33 AM
....EDIT: And we're live

And very well done!
Title: Re: Molyneux tours Australia and New Zealand July - Aug 2018
Post by: Excultmember90 on August 06, 2018, 07:36:59 AM
I'm glad you like it, but I guess the main question is...how do we get this out there more? 

Obviously I'm banned on Stefan's twitter, and now I've confirmed I'm being shadow banned on youtube as well, my comments not showing up when I sign in as a different account and try to view them. 
Title: Re: Molyneux tours Australia and New Zealand July - Aug 2018
Post by: Faith on August 06, 2018, 12:30:26 PM
Guys, I have a couple of questions.

Do you think all the crypto currency deposits into Stefans account are actually  donations from viewers? Or do you think there is a possibility that there is some type of criminal activity (think money laundering ) that is being covered up with the "viewer donations" premise?

And secondly,  how could this video be banned from your own YouTube channel?  Do you mean Stef blocked your twitter account in 45 seconds? You can still post you video on Twitter and try to find people opposed to Stefan who will retweet it.   
Title: Re: Molyneux tours Australia and New Zealand July - Aug 2018
Post by: Lupus on August 06, 2018, 01:20:45 PM
Guys, I have a couple of questions.

Do you think all the crypto currency deposits into Stefans account are actually  donations from viewers?

Yes, I guess it's donations and profit accrued from Bitcoin's price increase.

Or do you think there is a possibility that there is some type of criminal activity (think money laundering ) that is being covered up with the "viewer donations" premise?

Of course not, who would carry out money laundering with a publicly viewable account !?  ;D You could make the same claim for anyone with any account, I wonder if the money in my brother-in-law's bank account in the profit from a child sex slave trafficking enterprise that is being covered up with the "waged employment" premise.
Title: Re: Molyneux tours Australia and New Zealand July - Aug 2018
Post by: Faith on August 06, 2018, 02:06:21 PM
Lupus, since all bitcoin transactions are publicly viewable,(as you just said)  and we all know criminals are using bitcoin, then criminals are definitely  carrying out criminal activities in publicly viewable accounts!  Every day. Surely you know hackers have hacked many websites and installed software that hacks your computer and uses your computer to mine crypto currency and then deposit the currency into the criminals accounts. Obviously this is all public as well, but they haven't been able to catch the criminals doing this.

I'm not sure what the sarcastic comment about your BIL being involved in a child sex-trafficking ring is supposed to imply about me, but if you assume I believe in these crazy pizzagate theories you are totally off track. Lol.

I was interested in what you are saying regarding the crypto currency donations because for one, do you really think that many people are donating to Stefan using crypto currency?  And , as I mentioned in an earlier post, I was harassed by some alt-right group (I was told it was connected to FDR.)  It was also suggested to me that these people harassing me are involved in criminal activity and are using crypto currency....so this is why I'm interested.

The harassment still continues, though at this point they have changed tactics.

Title: Re: Molyneux tours Australia and New Zealand July - Aug 2018
Post by: The Observer on August 06, 2018, 02:52:37 PM
I'm glad you like it, but I guess the main question is...how do we get this out there more? 

Obviously I'm banned on Stefan's twitter, and now I've confirmed I'm being shadow banned on youtube as well, my comments not showing up when I sign in as a different account and try to view them.

Make sure your metadata tags are full of keywords that people might type when searching for vids on Molyneux. 

I've already linked your video on my "5 reasons..." video.  People will see it when they watch.  My video got over 500 views yesterday (I have no clue why), so people are going to see it.  I also posted a new comment that I pinned with your video linked in the comment.  Your video will get views, but it will take time.

Edit:  I'm going retweet your video at Molyneux on Twitter.  He hasn't blocked me (yet) on Twitter.   ;D
Title: Re: Molyneux tours Australia and New Zealand July - Aug 2018
Post by: Faith on August 06, 2018, 03:10:48 PM
Good ideas to help circulate this video.

I noticed that Molyneux's bitcoin account does not appear to be tracked by the NEO-NAZI BTC tracker bot. I wonder why Stefan is not included with the other neo-nazis, such as Southern?
Title: Re: Molyneux tours Australia and New Zealand July - Aug 2018
Post by: Lupus on August 06, 2018, 04:40:49 PM
Lupus, since all bitcoin transactions are publicly viewable,(as you just said)  and we all know criminals are using bitcoin, then criminals are definitely  carrying out criminal activities in publicly viewable accounts!

That's a good point, but someone quite well know, who openly advertises his Bitcoin address, is vastly more likely to come under scrutiny than a criminal with an anonymous (anonymous as in not
publicised or known to anyone but the criminal) address.

How would you even know what address to look at if you wanted to check out whether person X is up to no good ? A clear example would be if I were to say - right now - that I spend my days stealing cars, I then sell them on and am paid in Bitcoin by the dealers, who move them abroad . . . even with my admission, where would you start to look for my Bitcoin account ?

Every day. Surely you know hackers have hacked many websites and installed software that hacks your computer and uses your computer to mine crypto currency and then deposit the currency into the criminals accounts. Obviously this is all public as well, but they haven't been able to catch the criminals doing this.

I'd say this scheme suffers from the same problem mentioned above, where do you look if they've not told you their address ?

I'm not sure what the sarcastic comment about your BIL being involved in a child sex-trafficking ring is supposed to imply about me, but if you assume I believe in these crazy pizzagate theories you are totally off track. Lol.

Lol, yes, basically that, it's a theory from desire from what I can see, there is absolutely no evidence that Molyneux is involved in criminality (besides crimes against 'philosophy'), so you may as well level any crime (or suspicion of crime) at anyone you like, even my BIL, as it meets the same standard.

I was interested in what you are saying regarding the crypto currency donations because for one, do you really think that many people are donating to Stefan using crypto currency?

I would guess - and it's just a guess - that he takes more donations through more traditional/mainstream methods, I'd guess PayPal and Credit Cards are a much more common method.
Title: Re: Molyneux tours Australia and New Zealand July - Aug 2018
Post by: Lupus on August 06, 2018, 04:42:22 PM
Edit:  I'm going retweet your video at Molyneux on Twitter.  He hasn't blocked me (yet) on Twitter.   ;D

Lol, ban in 5 . . 4 . . 3 . . 2 . .
Title: Re: Molyneux tours Australia and New Zealand July - Aug 2018
Post by: Faith on August 06, 2018, 05:48:21 PM
Lupus,  according to current research, 44% of bitcoin transactions are linked to criminal activity, and about 25% of bitcoin users are criminals. If that's true its pretty scary stuff...and doesn't reflect well on the neo-Nazi type groups, who regularly use bitcoin.

You bet I have a desire to bring awareness to Stefan and his creepy friends. ..who I'm sure are connected to the assholes who harassed me.

Anyways, Molyneux wasn't currently tracked by the Neo-Nazi BTC tracker bot, but he is now 😂😁😀

And I'm trying to get a few more names added to the tracker as well. They are reviewing those people right now. If you guys know of other alt-right/neo-nazis who are asking for bitcoin donations, please ask to have them added to the list.  Currently I think the only Canadian was Faith Goldy... but now Stefan is on the list as well.
Title: Re: Molyneux tours Australia and New Zealand July - Aug 2018
Post by: The Observer on August 06, 2018, 07:17:16 PM
I just found out that Youtube really did remove Alex Jones from the platform (for now).  I am very surprised.  I don't agree with their decision, but this is part of the downside of Youtube being a company that answers to advertisers.  I expect they will reinstate his channel eventually.  Makes me wonder if they will go after Molyneux eventually.
Title: Re: Molyneux tours Australia and New Zealand July - Aug 2018
Post by: Excultmember90 on August 06, 2018, 08:07:57 PM
**One thing I just thought of, it wouldn't be a bad idea to engage in conversation on Lauren Southern's channel since a lot of viewers subscribe to both.  I believe she's a little less for censorship, or at the very least, probably not as adept at the echo chamber game**

I've been doing a little digging, my next video is going to be about the speaking event.  There's definitely some weird things about the event that had people (even fans) wondering about, so I'm going to dive into those. 

Stay tuned, thank you for the help here, next episode on it's way later today.
Title: Re: Molyneux tours Australia and New Zealand July - Aug 2018
Post by: money detonator on August 06, 2018, 09:18:10 PM
I just found out that Youtube really did remove Alex Jones from the platform (for now).  I am very surprised.  I don't agree with their decision, but this is part of the downside of Youtube being a company that answers to advertisers.  I expect they will reinstate his channel eventually.  Makes me wonder if they will go after Molyneux eventually.

I'm curious, was AJ's or InfoWars' channels monetized? 
I don't think it had to do with advertisers.  It was because Apple, FB, Spotify took action, and YT/Google looked really bad not doing anything.

Users are asking about Twitter, but Twitter issued a statement that he hasn't violated any policy.  Most of his outrageous content isn't likely hosted on Twitter, because twitter was late to allow uploads of long videos.

Today, he's spinning the bannings like crazy on his Twitter accounts, and posting his show and videos there.  He's using the bannings as proof of his truth telling and proof of his conspiracy theories about globalists.  Of course, he's using it to ask for donations too.
Title: Re: Molyneux tours Australia and New Zealand July - Aug 2018
Post by: The Observer on August 06, 2018, 09:50:10 PM
I just found out that Youtube really did remove Alex Jones from the platform (for now).  I am very surprised.  I don't agree with their decision, but this is part of the downside of Youtube being a company that answers to advertisers.  I expect they will reinstate his channel eventually.  Makes me wonder if they will go after Molyneux eventually.

I'm curious, was AJ's or InfoWars' channels monetized? 
I don't think it had to do with advertisers.  It was because Apple, FB, Spotify took action, and YT/Google looked really bad not doing anything.

Users are asking about Twitter, but Twitter issued a statement that he hasn't violated any policy.  Most of his outrageous content isn't likely hosted on Twitter.  I think it they were late to allow uploads of long videos.

Today, he's spinning the bannings like crazy on his Twitter accounts, and posting his show and videos there.  He's using the bannings as proof of his truth telling and proof of his conspiracy theories about globalists.  Of course, he's using it to ask for donations too.

I pretty sure he used to, but I'm not sure if he was demonetized.  You could be right and I might be wrong.  I'm honestly trying to figure out the truth of what happened.  Paul Joseph Watson put out an interesting video today.  I cannot vouch for if it's true or not, but it's interesting.  Again, I don't agree with this decision. 
Title: Re: Molyneux tours Australia and New Zealand July - Aug 2018
Post by: money detonator on August 06, 2018, 11:58:02 PM
I pretty sure he used to, but I'm not sure if he was demonetized.  You could be right and I might be wrong.  I'm honestly trying to figure out the truth of what happened.  Paul Joseph Watson put out an interesting video today.  I cannot vouch for if it's true or not, but it's interesting.  Again, I don't agree with this decision.

I have mixed feelings.  YT and FB are so big that they function as the main distributors of information and media.  Not only is there no quality control for the veracity of the content, but the dumb algorithms are easily gamed by the worst pushers of lies and propaganda to promote their material more effectively.  Removing his content severely limits his reach, and his ability to inflict harm.

I'm surprised YT did it though, this late.  People have been complaining to them for years.  It's an admission that he did violate their policies but they were negligent and stood by idly while he bullied real people.  They must know that if they take on the responsibility of having to police the content of all uploaded videos, or even just the reported ones, it would require infinite resources.  It's an impossible task.

Activists on Twitter have already started setting their sights on other alt-right channels like Rebel Media.  I wonder if someone like Molyneux will become a target eventually.  BTW, Molyneux is on Apple iTunes too!  Maybe Apple should be notified.   ;D
Title: Re: Molyneux tours Australia and New Zealand July - Aug 2018
Post by: Faith on August 07, 2018, 12:25:33 AM
The parents of children killed at Sandy Hook were getting death threats thanks to Jones. Then he had the nerve to sue these parents last week. And he also threatened to shoot people. So yeah...he was banned because of these things.  Actually, I think he should be arrested for spreading lies that lead to these parents being harassed.
Alex Jones lacks all empathy and common sense, and is likely a sociopath. His ex wife has some interesting things to say about him, too.
Title: Re: Molyneux tours Australia and New Zealand July - Aug 2018
Post by: The Observer on August 07, 2018, 01:42:14 AM
I pretty sure he used to, but I'm not sure if he was demonetized.  You could be right and I might be wrong.  I'm honestly trying to figure out the truth of what happened.  Paul Joseph Watson put out an interesting video today.  I cannot vouch for if it's true or not, but it's interesting.  Again, I don't agree with this decision.

I have mixed feelings.  YT and FB are so big that they function as the main distributors of information and media.  Not only is there no quality control for the veracity of the content, but the dumb algorithms are easily gamed by the worst pushers of lies and propaganda to promote their material more effectively.  Removing his content severely limits his reach, and his ability to inflict harm.

I'm surprised YT did it though, this late.  People have been complaining to them for years.  It's an admission that he did violate their policies but they were negligent and stood by idly while he bullied real people.  They must know that if they take on the responsibility of having to police the content of all uploaded videos, or even just the reported ones, it would require infinite resources.  It's an impossible task.

Activists on Twitter have already started setting their sights on other alt-right channels like Rebel Media.  I wonder if someone like Molyneux will become a target eventually.  BTW, Molyneux is on Apple iTunes too!  Maybe Apple should be notified.   ;D

I personally don't think much of Jones.  I see him as an entertainer and not a serious news reporter.  But I know a lot of people see him as the latter.  I really do not like him spreading false information and lies about topics where many people lost lives.  It's just damn offensive to those families.  What is with all these people thinking all the shootings fake? 

I just fear that trying to shut him up, or pulling the plug on their platform is just going to make people more interested in why he was banned. 

It's also a very interesting example of how the free market fails in some areas.  These companies do not operate like a government can.  There are no rules to allow people like Jones free speech.  They fire back that they are monopolies, but then, that's the nature of business, right?  Molyneux's argument that a competitor will pop up and save the day is not always true.  I hope people will at least appreciate that this is a situation where some kind of rules to regulate these companies could be a good thing.   But then you are forcing companies to do things, so there's that use of force.  I would side with the government on this one.  As much as I dislike Jones, I fear trying to be like New Zealand will just make things worse.
Title: Re: Molyneux tours Australia and New Zealand July - Aug 2018
Post by: Excultmember90 on August 07, 2018, 03:41:16 AM
His ex wife has some interesting things to say about him, too.

I really hate to say this, since it's subjective, but when I heard her speak on the David Pakman show, I swear I could hear echos of my step father in there. 

She may or may not be lying, but it sure resonated with me, coming from a family with a step father like Jones. 
Title: Re: Molyneux tours Australia and New Zealand July - Aug 2018
Post by: Excultmember90 on August 07, 2018, 03:43:29 AM
Sorry to double post, but I didn't want to combine the two because I wanted to ask something unrelated here.

Anyone have any links to footage if there were crazy protestors at the Auckland event?  Because I can't find anything, because I don't think it exists, but if something does exist or if there's other footage floating around, would someone please direct me to it?

I need your help, I need your help, donate donate donate...sorry, just joking obviously. 
Title: Re: Molyneux tours Australia and New Zealand July - Aug 2018
Post by: Excultmember90 on August 07, 2018, 08:33:59 AM
  As much as I dislike Jones, I fear trying to be like New Zealand will just make things worse.

Do you mean that trying to ban Jones will make things worse, or do you mean not banning him is worse?

I'm just confused because from what I can tell, the NZ government didn't do anything to shut down Molyneux and Southern, only expressed that they disagreed. 
Title: Re: Molyneux tours Australia and New Zealand July - Aug 2018
Post by: DefooSkeptic2908 on August 07, 2018, 10:38:50 AM
The parents of children killed at Sandy Hook were getting death threats thanks to Jones. Then he had the nerve to sue these parents last week. And he also threatened to shoot people. So yeah...he was banned because of these things.  Actually, I think he should be arrested for spreading lies that lead to these parents being harassed.
Alex Jones lacks all empathy and common sense, and is likely a sociopath. His ex wife has some interesting things to say about him, too.

Indeed. In Australia, we have legislation to curb the abuse of the Legal System by vindictive liars - although it is admittedly only used as a "last resort" because it essentially bans the person deemed a 'Vexatious Litigant' from accessing the Civil Justice system altogether and can even have implications for the individual if they happened to be the victim of a dreadful crime.

It seems a shame to me that the US appears to lack such recourse as AJ has (in addition to spreading patently ridiculous disinformation as pertained to his various historical scams) made the life of his ex and probably his own children a living nightmare by engaging in parental alienation against her with the help of a Judge whom I think it's fair to suspect of corruption.

Of course, suddenly banning him from most platforms will play to his martyr-complex "It's my Free Speech they want - they'll be coming for YOURS NEXT!". He'll never concede that he's been lying about those poor bloody parents from Sandy Hook (even if ordered to by a Court ruling) I imagine.
Title: Re: Molyneux tours Australia and New Zealand July - Aug 2018
Post by: The Observer on August 07, 2018, 02:57:44 PM
  As much as I dislike Jones, I fear trying to be like New Zealand will just make things worse.

Do you mean that trying to ban Jones will make things worse, or do you mean not banning him is worse?

I'm just confused because from what I can tell, the NZ government didn't do anything to shut down Molyneux and Southern, only expressed that they disagreed.

I meant that trying to ban him would be worse. 

Well, I haven't found any evidence the government shut them down.  I did see that some venues banned them from speaking.  That's of course, the right of the venue to do so.  So far it seems, only the free market has tried to prevent Stefan from speaking.

There was the whole visa thing, but they did allow both Stefan and Lauren to come in the end.   
Title: Re: Molyneux tours Australia and New Zealand July - Aug 2018
Post by: summa logicae on August 07, 2018, 03:18:38 PM
  As much as I dislike Jones, I fear trying to be like New Zealand will just make things worse.

Do you mean that trying to ban Jones will make things worse, or do you mean not banning him is worse?

I'm just confused because from what I can tell, the NZ government didn't do anything to shut down Molyneux and Southern, only expressed that they disagreed.

I meant that trying to ban him would be worse. 

Well, I haven't found any evidence the government shut them down.  I did see that some venues banned them from speaking.  That's of course, the right of the venue to do so.  So far it seems, only the free market has tried to prevent Stefan from speaking.

There was the whole visa thing, but they did allow both Stefan and Lauren to come in the end.   

Molyneux makes the fallacy of composition fallacy there, assuming that because his speaking venue was cancelled, New Zealand is anti free speech. That self-imposed "philosopher" title becomes more and more evident.
Title: Re: Molyneux tours Australia and New Zealand July - Aug 2018
Post by: money detonator on August 07, 2018, 11:21:17 PM
Sorry to double post, but I didn't want to combine the two because I wanted to ask something unrelated here.

Anyone have any links to footage if there were crazy protestors at the Auckland event?  Because I can't find anything, because I don't think it exists, but if something does exist or if there's other footage floating around, would someone please direct me to it?

I need your help, I need your help, donate donate donate...sorry, just joking obviously.



I found a video here:  https://twitter.com/AmKlown/status/1025302431255547904 (https://twitter.com/AmKlown/status/1025302431255547904)


pics:


(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DjfdKSoVsAA4sOs.jpg)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DjkIxE8U8AAcGEp.jpg)

from: https://twitter.com/PeaceActionWGTN/status/1024860461102030849 (https://twitter.com/PeaceActionWGTN/status/1024860461102030849)


(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Djpz0Q3U4AAhcRr.jpg)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dju3amQUUAEPP9M.jpg)

from: https://twitter.com/CheckpointRNZ/status/1025260181880373248 (https://twitter.com/CheckpointRNZ/status/1025260181880373248)


(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DjqT0MvUUAAHWa5.jpg)
from: https://twitter.com/farmgeek/status/1025294400790786050 (https://twitter.com/farmgeek/status/1025294400790786050)

Lauren Southern and Stefan Molyneux's speaking event cancelled
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2018/08/lauren-southern-and-stefan-molyneux-s-secret-speaking-location-revealed-as-the-powerstation.html (https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2018/08/lauren-southern-and-stefan-molyneux-s-secret-speaking-location-revealed-as-the-powerstation.html)


Cancelled: Alt-right activists Stefan Molyneux and Lauren Southern in limbo after venue backs out of hosting event
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12100627 (https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12100627)



(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DjqfaiLUUAEhJxx.jpg)
from:  https://twitter.com/theirpeaceiswar/status/1025307675783880704 (https://twitter.com/theirpeaceiswar/status/1025307675783880704)



(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DjplkSWU4AAttDV.jpg)



Lots more pics posted on twitter with hashtag #noroomforracism

https://twitter.com/sugarbat__/status/1025317922074329090 (https://twitter.com/sugarbat__/status/1025317922074329090)
https://twitter.com/theirpeaceiswar/status/1025307675783880704 (https://twitter.com/theirpeaceiswar/status/1025307675783880704)
https://twitter.com/PeaceActionWGTN/status/1025288021975826432 (https://twitter.com/PeaceActionWGTN/status/1025288021975826432)
https://twitter.com/invisiblemoose/status/1025263445384392704 (https://twitter.com/invisiblemoose/status/1025263445384392704)
https://twitter.com/zizabeph/status/1025261981350023168 (https://twitter.com/zizabeph/status/1025261981350023168)
https://twitter.com/Rebekah_Jaung/status/1025260898443657216 (https://twitter.com/Rebekah_Jaung/status/1025260898443657216)
https://twitter.com/tina_plunkett/status/1025260722119303168 (https://twitter.com/tina_plunkett/status/1025260722119303168)
https://twitter.com/rg_jones/status/1025259822734688256 (https://twitter.com/rg_jones/status/1025259822734688256)
https://twitter.com/pastelprole/status/1025259684347801601 (https://twitter.com/pastelprole/status/1025259684347801601)
https://twitter.com/CrikaRika/status/1025258955591704577 (https://twitter.com/CrikaRika/status/1025258955591704577)
https://twitter.com/owiebizaoui/status/1025258869134520320 (https://twitter.com/owiebizaoui/status/1025258869134520320)
https://twitter.com/daphlawless/status/1025258490892247041 (https://twitter.com/daphlawless/status/1025258490892247041)
https://twitter.com/moiraclunie/status/1025258294665928704 (https://twitter.com/moiraclunie/status/1025258294665928704)
https://twitter.com/womensmtgpoint/status/1025257734734635008 (https://twitter.com/womensmtgpoint/status/1025257734734635008)
https://twitter.com/lisametofox/status/1025257471563059202 (https://twitter.com/lisametofox/status/1025257471563059202)
https://twitter.com/tina_plunkett/status/1025256722875604992 (https://twitter.com/tina_plunkett/status/1025256722875604992)
https://twitter.com/CaitlinSnark/status/1025253054088601600 (https://twitter.com/CaitlinSnark/status/1025253054088601600)
https://twitter.com/AKPeaceAction/status/1025251753342599168 (https://twitter.com/AKPeaceAction/status/1025251753342599168)
https://twitter.com/AKPeaceAction/status/1025246695402217473 (https://twitter.com/AKPeaceAction/status/1025246695402217473)
Title: Re: Molyneux tours Australia and New Zealand July - Aug 2018
Post by: money detonator on August 08, 2018, 12:46:27 AM
Molyneux got himself a new woman to exploit?

This IS a pattern with him.  He seems to like to get more accomplished women to echo his messages.

Christina was the credentialed therapist promoting his defoo and child development quackery.

BiggerThanBothOfMe was a much more intelligent academic that he got to podcast his ideas about women having inferior brains.

Now, he's got Lauren to parrot his white supremacist ideology.  In many ways, she is much more accomplished than him.  While I wouldn't go so far as to call her a real journalist, she did go outside and report stuff on location as it was happening instead of posturing in front of a white wall reading headlines into a camera and ranting by himself.  Also, she actually finished her "documentary", whereas Molyneux just kept talking about doing one for years mostly as an excuse to ask for large donations.


These past few months, the other podcasters like Sam Harris, Jordan Peterson, Eric Weinstein, and some well known academics are touring together all over the world.  These are people his age, but they obviously do not consider him their peer, or he'd be with them.
Title: Re: Molyneux tours Australia and New Zealand July - Aug 2018
Post by: Lupus on August 08, 2018, 02:11:49 AM
While I wouldn't go so far as to call her a real journalist, she did go outside and report stuff on location as it was happening instead of posturing in front of a white wall reading headlines into a camera and ranting by himself.

This reminds me of Molyneux's often repeated claim that the MSM is dead/dying, and people like himself and the larger alt-media is where people will get their news from in the future, but besides a very very few characters in that group (in fact I can only really think of Lauren Southern right now, but I'm sure there are one or two others) the overwhelming majority are studio based opinion shows, when Molyneux delivers 'news' it's generally one of two things, his personal opinion or simply repeating the MSM news of the day (and adding his own spin), there really isn't much in the way of genuine news gathering, Paul Joseph Watson isn't going to attend elections in Egypt or peace talks in South Korea, people like him and Molyneux simply read or watch the work of actual journalists, apply a bias driven filter of their own, repackage and call it 'the Truth'.

There's a difference between . . . . spending 8 months in South Korea, monitoring the talks - and surrounding politics - with the DPRK, talking to people on the ground, interviewing officials, talking to defectors and families with sister, mothers, children still trapped in the DPRK (and so on), and from all this creating a piece of journalism . . . and on the other-hand merely reading the resulting piece of journalism and giving your opinion on your Youtube channel, having never left your front room, let alone spent months on the Korean peninsula, Molyneux appears to think the latter is journalism.

Like you say at least Lauren Southern goes places and gathers information (whether you agree with her views or not), South Africa for example, whereas people like Molyneux will take MSM news reports, filter it through his own biases, having never set foot in the country, and call it 'the truth'.

These past few months, the other podcasters like Sam Harris, Jordan Peterson, Eric Weinstein, and some well known academics are touring together all over the world.  These are people his age, but they obviously do not consider him their peer, or he'd be with them.

The thing with them is they are not enthusiastic ameteurs like Molyneux, when Sam Harris discusses some aspect of cognition or pscycology it's informed by a doctorate in cognitive neuroscience, when Peterson discusses the drives and motives underpinning politics or power its informed by a doctorate in clinical psychology, the same cannot be said for Molyneux.
Title: Re: Molyneux tours Australia and New Zealand July - Aug 2018
Post by: Excultmember90 on August 08, 2018, 02:40:56 AM
Thank you very much Money Detonator, I appreciate it very much.  There's so much information to sift through in so little time, so I really do appreciate the help. 

I've making a 3rd video (on the Auckland event, where I found some interesting slip ups by Molyneux), and a 4th is in the works too.

Title: Re: Molyneux tours Australia and New Zealand July - Aug 2018
Post by: Patience on August 08, 2018, 02:47:56 AM
Sorry to double post, but I didn't want to combine the two because I wanted to ask something unrelated here.

Anyone have any links to footage if there were crazy protestors at the Auckland event?  Because I can't find anything, because I don't think it exists, but if something does exist or if there's other footage floating around, would someone please direct me to it?

I need your help, I need your help, donate donate donate...sorry, just joking obviously.


Nothing crazy about these protesters! - this is from nzherald.co.nz :

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/national-video/news/video.cfm?c_id=1503075&gal_cid=1503075&gallery_id=196581 (https://www.nzherald.co.nz/national-video/news/video.cfm?c_id=1503075&gal_cid=1503075&gallery_id=196581)

This includes video of the venue owner explaining why she cancelled their booking :
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12100627 (https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12100627) 

Here are comments by Patrick Gower, following his interview with Molyneux and Southern :
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2018/08/patrick-gower-was-not-destroyed-by-lauren-southern-and-stefan-molyneux.html (https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2018/08/patrick-gower-was-not-destroyed-by-lauren-southern-and-stefan-molyneux.html)


Title: Re: Molyneux tours Australia and New Zealand July - Aug 2018
Post by: Excultmember90 on August 08, 2018, 07:03:51 AM
Okay, video 3 is finished, but I am unsure on this one if I should publish it or not.

It is more or less, criticism of the Australian speaking tour's setup...but I don't know if it comes across clearly enough.  I would like to ask feedback if I may, it would be much appreciated.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9d_ectPFZc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9d_ectPFZc)


Thank you to anyone in advance who watches. 
Title: Re: Molyneux tours Australia and New Zealand July - Aug 2018
Post by: money detonator on August 08, 2018, 09:33:57 AM
This is another article with a video of the demonstration (large and very peaceful with heart shaped balloons, with short interviews with community leaders and residents at the protest).

The quotes from the venue owner suggest that some deception was used to book with them, and they only later discovered the real identities of the speakers and what they were going to speak about, at which point they cancelled.

Aukland looks like a really awesome community to have been able to organize something like this!

Auckland's Powerstation owner apologises for booking controversial speakers

https://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/106002242/aucklands-powerstation-owner-apologises-for-booking-controversial-speakers (https://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/106002242/aucklands-powerstation-owner-apologises-for-booking-controversial-speakers)



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In an interview with Stuff, Powerstation owner Gabrielle​ Mullins said it was not clear it was the Canadian pair from the name on the booking.

"The minute I heard who it was I cancelled," Mullins said.

"I understand it's all about freedom of speech, but it's the content of the freedom of speech that I found offensive."

Mullins apologised to "all who have supported the Powerstation and who we may have offended".
Title: Re: Molyneux tours Australia and New Zealand July - Aug 2018
Post by: Lupus on August 08, 2018, 11:05:23 AM
Okay, video 3 is finished, but I am unsure on this one if I should publish it or not.

It is more or less, criticism of the Australian speaking tour's setup...but I don't know if it comes across clearly enough.  I would like to ask feedback if I may, it would be much appreciated.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9d_ectPFZc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9d_ectPFZc)


Thank you to anyone in advance who watches.


Very good, well worth publishing.
Title: Re: Molyneux tours Australia and New Zealand July - Aug 2018
Post by: Patience on August 08, 2018, 11:24:11 AM
Okay, video 3 is finished, but I am unsure on this one if I should publish it or not.

It is more or less, criticism of the Australian speaking tour's setup...but I don't know if it comes across clearly enough.  I would like to ask feedback if I may, it would be much appreciated.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9d_ectPFZc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9d_ectPFZc)


Thank you to anyone in advance who watches.

Excellent work. Publish and be damned!
Title: Re: Molyneux tours Australia and New Zealand July - Aug 2018
Post by: Excultmember90 on August 08, 2018, 12:11:03 PM
Thank you for the feedback, I was going to hold off, but I'll just go ahead and publish now.

I'm very tired as I've spent around 20 hours this week doing videos, so I'm going to take a break for a few days. 

Next video (already halfway done) will be on the Auckland cancellation event, which explores the possibility of there being deceptive planning involved.  It's a really weird story to be honest, and I'm not sure what to make of it quite yet.  RE: Money Detonator, I had read over that story and the more I dig into it, the more I'm confused.  There's three "official" stories, none of them are remotely similar.

One thing for sure however, it does look incredibly fishy and as of now I suspect Molyneux and Lauren's agent Caolan set this thing up to fail from the get go...Lauren doesn't seem complicit as of now but nothing's certain.
Title: Re: Molyneux tours Australia and New Zealand July - Aug 2018
Post by: summa logicae on August 08, 2018, 12:22:16 PM
The thing with them is they are not enthusiastic ameteurs like Molyneux, when Sam Harris discusses some aspect of cognition or pscycology it's informed by a doctorate in cognitive neuroscience, when Peterson discusses the drives and motives underpinning politics or power its informed by a doctorate in clinical psychology, the same cannot be said for Molyneux.

I think "enthusiastic amateur" is giving him too much credit. Even amateurs will inform themselves on the relevant, credible literature of whatever it is they're interested in.
Title: Re: Molyneux tours Australia and New Zealand July - Aug 2018
Post by: Faith on August 08, 2018, 12:37:01 PM
Excult
I think you did a great job on that video. And you were much more polite to Stefan than I would be 😀 (By the way he blocked me on Twitter as well when I commented negatively on his stance on gun control)

I think you should definitely publish it.

Do you mind if I ask if you are originally from Canada, too?
Title: Re: Molyneux tours Australia and New Zealand July - Aug 2018
Post by: Excultmember90 on August 08, 2018, 02:01:53 PM

Do you mind if I ask if you are originally from Canada, too?

Canadian citizen, but last I set foot in Canada was 2005.  Probably the accent is a giveaway, but I'm just happy I can still speak English clearly to be honest. 
Title: Re: Molyneux tours Australia and New Zealand July - Aug 2018
Post by: Faith on August 08, 2018, 02:18:07 PM
Yes, I guess it's the accent. Lol.

I'm not sure what country you're living in now, but is Stefan well-known there? When I reported Stefan to the guy who operates Neo Nazi BTC tracker  (an American) he had never heard of Stefan, though he had inckuded Lauren Southern on the tracker. He seemed surprised at how much $$$ Stefan was raking in.
Title: Re: Molyneux tours Australia and New Zealand July - Aug 2018
Post by: Excultmember90 on August 08, 2018, 02:52:22 PM
Where I live doesn't speak English, so naturally he's unknown here.  Among my Canadian friends though, no one has even heard of Stefan or Lauren either.  The only mention I've heard about any "alt right" personality here is Ben Shapiro, and that's from a politically interested American. 
Title: Re: Molyneux tours Australia and New Zealand July - Aug 2018
Post by: money detonator on August 09, 2018, 12:32:14 AM
Next video (already halfway done) will be on the Auckland cancellation event, which explores the possibility of there being deceptive planning involved.  It's a really weird story to be honest, and I'm not sure what to make of it quite yet.  RE: Money Detonator, I had read over that story and the more I dig into it, the more I'm confused.  There's three "official" stories, none of them are remotely similar.

One thing for sure however, it does look incredibly fishy and as of now I suspect Molyneux and Lauren's agent Caolan set this thing up to fail from the get go...Lauren doesn't seem complicit as of now but nothing's certain.

There were many twists and turns.

One of the shadiest part of the story is the hasty formation of a group calling itself "The Free Speech Coalition", which is pretty much just the promoters of the event "Axiomatic" (they seem shady from the beginning, since I couldn't find any other events they've organized or anything else they've done even though they say they've existed for decades doing promotion).  I couldn't find any evidence of prior existence.  For an "online promotion" business that's been around for decades, they sure didn't do much online promotion of themselves!  ??? 

Back to the donation scam ... people asked if it was really a free speech issue, why didn't they work with an existing group with an established reputation (for example, in the U.S. we have the ACLU) rather than form this bogus fly by night entity.  Of course, because it is another donation scam to take advantage of the controversy surrounding the Mayor's decision, and framing themselves as the victims of the state trying to take away their "free speech".  It worked.  In a matter of days, they raised $90,000!!  I imagine that's more than they would have made holding the event.

They initiated a complaint but then withdrew in a few days, saying they found a venue and the event was back on.


https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12095069 (https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12095069)
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The group raised around $90,000 to challenge the cancellation and the role they believed Goff played.
...
"While they might have the freedom of speech to come here, they don't have the automatic right to a venue that is funded by some of the very people they were setting out to abuse and insult," he [Goff] said.


Well, now that the event's been cancelled, and there's no lawsuit, who walks away with the $90,000?   :-\
Title: Re: Molyneux tours Australia and New Zealand July - Aug 2018
Post by: The Observer on August 09, 2018, 01:48:33 AM
He's pretty much proven he'll do anything he can to manipulate his audience to get money.  If his plan was to intentionally be banned from the venue(s?), that's pretty clever.  I don't think the guy has any empathy when it comes to his audience.  He treats them like they are stupid or naive, because sadly, a lot of them don't see through all the bullshit.  It's disgusting. 

One thing I became aware of this week, is that I can see one important reason why Molyneux doesn't care about ripping everyone else off.  He is not going to ever be able to find or create another real job.  No one will want to associate themselves with him.  If FDR ever goes away, what is he going to do? This money he makes now might not last forever.






Title: Re: Molyneux tours Australia and New Zealand July - Aug 2018
Post by: money detonator on August 09, 2018, 02:02:44 AM
Most things were out of his control, so I don't believe he was deliberately aiming for any particular outcome except to maximize profits for himself.  He's good at generating controversy around whatever happens, and then making money off of the controversy and chaos he stirs up, even if it backfires (which only makes for more chaos to exploit).  That's his game, and it benefits those with no honor or ethics, unfortunately at the expense of decent people.
Title: Re: Molyneux tours Australia and New Zealand July - Aug 2018
Post by: Excultmember90 on August 09, 2018, 02:27:47 AM
One of the shadiest part of the story is the hasty formation of a group calling itself "The Free Speech Coalition"...

Can you point in the general direction where to start investigating? 

I've done a fair bit of digging on Axiomatic and my findings are in the video, but I haven't gotten here yet. 
 
Also, the $90k.  Any word on a refund?  EDIT: I've been searching into that, the legal proceedings still appear to be ongoing, the "withdrawal" was likely the "urgent status" withdrawal of the case, but not the case itself. 
Title: Re: Molyneux tours Australia and New Zealand July - Aug 2018
Post by: Excultmember90 on August 10, 2018, 07:47:59 AM
Seems like Axiomatic events (their event promoter) lied on their website about being 25 years experienced to get by the 3 year experienced promoter requirement for their visa.

Just took a look at them now and they erased that bit from their website. 
Title: Re: Molyneux tours Australia and New Zealand July - Aug 2018
Post by: money detonator on August 10, 2018, 12:10:00 PM
Some articles and posts:

...event on again
Canadian Right-wing speakers' Auckland tour is on, with a new venue
July 26 2018
https://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/105780606/canadian-rightwing-speakers-auckland-tour-is-on-with-a-new-venue (https://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/105780606/canadian-rightwing-speakers-auckland-tour-is-on-with-a-new-venue)


... legal action off, event a maybe
Right-wing speakers Lauren Southern and Stefan Molyneux cancel NZ trip
25 Jul, 2018 1:30pm

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12095069 (https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12095069)


Right-wing Canadian speakers' visit canned, legal action on back burner  video
14:51, July 25 2018
https://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/105744525/rightwing-canadian-speakers-visit-canned-legal-action-on-back-burner (https://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/105744525/rightwing-canadian-speakers-visit-canned-legal-action-on-back-burner)


Visa letters posted by Lauren Southern:
https://twitter.com/Lauren_Southern/status/1016290539925147648 (https://twitter.com/Lauren_Southern/status/1016290539925147648)
Title: Re: Molyneux tours Australia and New Zealand July - Aug 2018
Post by: Excultmember90 on August 11, 2018, 08:20:18 AM
First "podcast" episode being uploaded as we speak.  There was too much to cover because the story kept changing and I couldn't keep making changes to heavily edited videos so...in summary

The $68,000 police "bill" charged to Southern, was completely fabricated
The failed the original requirements for their NZ visas, not the government out to get them
And I go on a rant about Molyneux's ego

I'm off to enjoy my Sabbath, have a good weekend everyone.
Title: Re: Molyneux tours Australia and New Zealand July - Aug 2018
Post by: money detonator on August 11, 2018, 10:40:41 AM
The police bill seemed real.  I could be wrong.  There was a video of a police official talking about it at a press conference.  He said approximately $60,000.  I'll try to find it again.

Milo supposedly was billed $50,000 when he spoke at the same venue last year.  I can't verify how real that is.  It's hard to tell what is real or not relying on video clips, news articles, and tweets.
Title: Re: Molyneux tours Australia and New Zealand July - Aug 2018
Post by: money detonator on August 11, 2018, 06:30:27 PM
I looked through my old bookmarks and found it:

https://www.facebook.com/victoriapolice/videos/2115393891866069/ (https://www.facebook.com/victoriapolice/videos/2115393891866069/)

The subject of the event starts about 10 minutes in.
around 12:30 he says they invoiced the event organizers "around 60,000 dollars"
Title: Re: Molyneux tours Australia and New Zealand July - Aug 2018
Post by: Excultmember90 on August 12, 2018, 12:35:26 AM
Sorry, my internet went down and the video failed to upload.

Re: bill, here's what I found regarding it.  The police bill was not an invoice, but was for a quote, and the quote was for two different dates and they were combined together (they only spoke at Victoria one day).  I also found they requested 130 police officers to be present, which seems extremely overblown to me.  Referencing private security quotes (and from my own experience having played at venues before), 12-15 security officers (not police) people per 1000 or so seemed much more reasonable, and assuming there's drugs, alcohol or controversy, double that. 

So unless they had over 20,000 people at their event (considering they hired private security as well), I don't see how this adds up.  To me it looks like much more of an outrage kind of misrepresentation, but I could be wrong though. 

But then if that was the legitimate number, it's all represented correctly anyway.  It's not like the police were gouging them, all the rates, hours and even the type of officers there were detailed in the quote. 

And thanks for the info, I'll probably change my video to suit.


EDIT After watching the video, this doesn't add up with what Australian news reported.  They reported on the 19th they were charged the $60k but that was the day before the event.  I suppose the quote was accurate but...I don't know, will have to do more digging.