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Title: Peak Molyneux ?
Post by: Lupus on May 02, 2019, 11:57:46 AM
Looks like we've passed peak Molyneux, his Youtube total-views-per-month* figures have shown a fairly steep decline since late 2017, that's ~18 months of what looks to be social-media free-fall, extrapolating the data forward sees him hitting rock bottom in 6-12 months or so . . . but I highly doubt that would actually happen, if his decline in popularity continues he'll likely just bottom-out to a lower (but maintained) viewership.

Maybe the upcoming US election cycle will give him a lift, but I suspect that market is now saturated and competition for views off the back of the US political circus will be less easy to come by than last time (sorry, did I say "views off the back of the US political circus" I meant to say "philosophy" ;)).

The purple dots are actual monthly data points . . . .  I've deliberately left JULY-2018 to OCT-2018 blank as the data is erroneous - every now and again Youtube adjusts their system and this can produce anomalies - in this case Molyneux's count was -4.15M views, literally negative views, his view count was 4M below 0, which is clearly the product of and adjustment (and it'd be unfair to Molyneux to include this data point as it'd make his figures look even worse) . . . the orange line is my 'best fit' trajectory.
*total-views-per-month figures from Socialblade social media statistics and analytics:
https://socialblade.com/youtube/user/stefbot (https://socialblade.com/youtube/user/stefbot)

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Title: Re: Peak Molyneux ?
Post by: summa logicae on May 02, 2019, 03:28:04 PM
I noticed he said something about his views dropping, and of course blamed it on some nefarious "conspiracy to silence those who speak the truth". Then begged for more money so he can keep talking in front of a camera. You're right about the political commentary market on YouTube being saturated, and Molyneux doesn't even come close to the views the top channels in that area get.
Title: Re: Peak Molyneux ?
Post by: Lupus on May 02, 2019, 05:04:25 PM
I noticed he said something about his views dropping, and of course blamed it on some nefarious "conspiracy to silence those who speak the truth".

Although I do think Silicon Valley (Twitter, Youtube/Google, Facebook . . . ) leans towards the left, Molyneux tends to personalise and catastrophize these issues into civilisation ending pogroms, shouting into the camera and foaming at the mouth about conservative voices being snuffed out and so on . . . but oddly people like Ben Shapiro and Rebel Media and Jordan Peterson (and so on) are managing to grow and prosper in the very same politically hostile environment where Molyneux is being 'oppressed'.

This all reminds me of his notion that he failed to become a success in publishing because of the (to steal from your post . . ) "nefarious conspiracy to silence those who speak the truth" . . . but again, oddly, someone like Anne Coulter (amongst many others who are unashamedly right leaning) manages to repeatedly top the best seller list . . . . over and over again, and for decades now.

It's strange how all these nefarious plots seem only to be aimed at Molyneux ?  ;D


Title: Re: Peak Molyneux ?
Post by: summa logicae on May 02, 2019, 05:27:05 PM


It's strange how all these nefarious plots seem only to be aimed at Molyneux ?  ;D

Haha, yes. Aimed at "truth tellers" in general but really specifically at him because he's the reincarnation of Socrates, as he likes to point out in not-so-subtle hints to his followers. He's unable to countenance his own ineptitude and incompetence despite other conservative voices doing well, I suppose.

While it's true that Silicon Valley leans left, I believe that Peterson, Coulter, et.al have more invested in their putative political/social beliefs as a business, than principles they truly hold.
Title: Re: Peak Molyneux ?
Post by: summa logicae on May 02, 2019, 06:37:24 PM
Haha, yes. Aimed at "truth tellers" in general but really specifically at him because he's the reincarnation of Socrates . . .

"They" fear this new Socrates, if they were to give him free reign to promulgate his views then they know that UPB could bring down 'the system'.  :)

I believe that Peterson, Coulter, et.al have more invested in their putative political/social beliefs as a business, than principles they truly hold.

What is this belief based on ?

I'm somewhat cynical, but it's based on Plato's dialogues dealing with sophists. He describes them as going after truth for a price. With the exception of perhaps Shapiro (because he is a religious Jew), I view the rest of them in this light.
Title: Re: Peak Molyneux ?
Post by: Lupus on May 02, 2019, 07:58:20 PM
I'm somewhat cynical, but it's based on Plato's dialogues dealing with sophists. He describes them as going after truth for a price. With the exception of perhaps Shapiro (because he is a religious Jew), I view the rest of them in this light.

Sounds kinda' circular to me, or at the least begging-the-question ?


1) Peterson, Coulter and Shapiro are opportunists who don't credibly subscribe to the ideas they say they do.

2) Why ?

3) Because Plato says that people like them are opportunists who don't credibly subscribe to the ideas they say they do.



Why do you think Plato's view on sophists apply to these people ?
Title: Re: Peak Molyneux ?
Post by: summa logicae on May 02, 2019, 08:32:18 PM
I'm somewhat cynical, but it's based on Plato's dialogues dealing with sophists. He describes them as going after truth for a price. With the exception of perhaps Shapiro (because he is a religious Jew), I view the rest of them in this light.

Sounds kinda' circular to me, or at the least begging-the-question ?


1) Peterson, Coulter and Shapiro are opportunists who don't credibly subscribe to the ideas they say they do.

2) Why ?

3) Because Plato says that people like them are opportunists who don't credibly subscribe to the ideas they say they do.



Why do you think Plato's view on sophists apply to these people ?


I wouldn't put Shapiro in the same camp in principle because his religion is conservative in nature. And I'm not saying necessarily that Coulter, Peterson, etc. didn't hold conservative views before they had any media attention. What I'm really getting at is that being a big name conservative (or even a lesser known one, ahem, Molyneux) has enormous business potential in today's climate. And that espousing these views and "destroying liberals" a la facts facts don't care about your feelings brings in a lot of money whether you actually believe what you're saying or not.
Title: Re: Peak Molyneux ?
Post by: Lupus on May 02, 2019, 09:23:33 PM
"What I'm really getting at is that being a big name conservative (or even a lesser known one, ahem, Molyneux) has enormous business potential in today's climate."

Yes, agreed, being a big name conservative or a big name liberal or a big name centrist (and every other point on - and off - the political spectrum) means there's money to be made in today's political-online-social-media-frenzied-climate.

And that espousing these views and "destroying liberals" a la facts facts don't care about your feelings brings in a lot of money whether you actually believe what you're saying or not.

Agreed, 'there's money in them thar hills', but I was just curious as to what had informed your belief that Peterson, Coulter (and so on) have more invested in their beliefs as a business rather than them holding those beliefs on principle ?
Title: Re: Peak Molyneux ?
Post by: summa logicae on May 02, 2019, 09:59:50 PM
"What I'm really getting at is that being a big name conservative (or even a lesser known one, ahem, Molyneux) has enormous business potential in today's climate."

Yes, agreed, being a big name conservative or a big name liberal or a big name centrist (and every other point on - and off - the political spectrum) means there's money to be made in today's political-online-social-media-frenzied-climate.

And that espousing these views and "destroying liberals" a la facts facts don't care about your feelings brings in a lot of money whether you actually believe what you're saying or not.

Agreed, 'there's money in them thar hills', but I was just curious as to what had informed your belief that Peterson, Coulter (and so on) have more invested in their beliefs as a business rather than them holding those beliefs on principle ?

Take Peterson, for example. He recently had a debate with the philosopher Slavoj Zizek, where the topic was Marxism. He came into it admitting that he had not read the communist manifesto since his teen years, and his knowledge of Marx's many other writings seems to be almost non-existent. He trotted out his same points against his understanding of the manifesto in the beginning but went no deeper. The debate ultimately went in another direction away from Marx, but my point is that Peterson did not care to really understand Marx, because he knows that his same talking points against the manifesto play to his conservative audience and are his bread and butter.
Title: Re: Peak Molyneux ?
Post by: Lupus on May 03, 2019, 06:39:33 PM
The debate ultimately went in another direction away from Marx, but my point is that Peterson did not care to really understand Marx, because he knows that his same talking points against the manifesto play to his conservative audience and are his bread and butter.

Hmmm . . . maybe ? But you seem to be mind-reading a little ? Who knows, certainly not me, you could well be right for all I know, but without knowing the process with which you arrived at your knowledge I can't really comment, broadly speaking I completely agree with you that taking a political position (the more pronounced the better) is a viable career move these days, but I've no way of knowing (beyond the obvious) who is or isn't genuine, my own position is that Coulter and Peterson (and so on) hold the views they say they hold, and any money and success that follows their popularity is a product of their efforts rather than the goal, but of course I might be wrong (and it wouldn't be the first time).

Anyhow, back to the main-course . . . Molyneux's latest video is pure unadultarated tabloid click-bait . . . .  ;D

(https://img.youtube.com/vi/SWHU5kj5u8Y/hqdefault.jpg)

I'm going to guess that as his popularity wanes his narcissistic bent (in my amateur non-clinical opinion) - his attraction to recognition / admiration / validation - will likely lead him to produce increasingly tabloid click-bait  . . . I mean, honestly, he really isn't too far off "My mother ate my dog!!" territory as it is, imagine him trying to stay relevant 12 months further into a declining profile, I'm going to put my money on naked podcasts + human sacrifice + Mike returns (but in ghost form, spoken to by Molyneux via a ouija board) and a weekly raffle (whoever sends in the most money wins a signed copy of the "popular" "philosophy" book 'UPB').
Title: Re: Peak Molyneux ?
Post by: summa logicae on May 03, 2019, 08:44:59 PM
The debate ultimately went in another direction away from Marx, but my point is that Peterson did not care to really understand Marx, because he knows that his same talking points against the manifesto play to his conservative audience and are his bread and butter.

Hmmm . . . maybe ? But you seem to be mind-reading a little ? Who knows, certainly not me, you could well be right for all I know, but without knowing the process with which you arrived at your knowledge I can't really comment, broadly speaking I completely agree with you that taking a political position (the more pronounced the better) is a viable career move these days, but I've no way of knowing (beyond the obvious) who is or isn't genuine, my own position is that Coulter and Peterson (and so on) hold the views they say they hold, and any money and success that follows their popularity is a product of their efforts rather than the goal, but of course I might be wrong (and it wouldn't be the first time).

Anyhow, back to the main-course . . . Molyneux's latest video is pure unadultarated tabloid click-bait . . . .  ;D

(https://img.youtube.com/vi/SWHU5kj5u8Y/hqdefault.jpg)

I'm going to guess that as his popularity wanes his narcissistic bent (in my amateur non-clinical opinion) - his attraction to recognition / admiration / validation - will likely lead him to produce increasingly tabloid click-bait  . . . I mean, honestly, he really isn't too far off "My mother ate my dog!!" territory as it is, imagine him trying to stay relevant 12 months further into a declining profile, I'm going to put my money on naked podcasts + human sacrifice + Mike returns (but in ghost form, spoken to by Molyneux via a ouija board) and a weekly raffle (whoever sends in the most money wins a signed copy of the "popular" "philosophy" book 'UPB').

Suffice to say, I believe the love of money trumps the love of truth. Ha, you're probably right that Molyneux will make increasingly more tabloid-esque, edgy videos. He might even really try to make a crappy separate channel of him playing video games in a desperate bid for more viewers.
Title: Re: Peak Molyneux ?
Post by: Lupus on May 03, 2019, 10:09:40 PM
He might even really try to make a crappy separate channel of him playing video games in a desperate bid for more viewers.

Oh Jesus ! I didn't even make that connection ! I just thought the Minecraft streaming thing was just another of his crappy 'media ideas' (like 'The Daily Argument with Stefan Molyneux . . . or . . . Thought Bites . . . and so on), but maybe in light of his declining popularity he's going to make a go at being the earth's first ever gaming "philosopher" ?  ;D

 
Title: Re: Peak Molyneux ?
Post by: summa logicae on May 03, 2019, 11:05:52 PM
He might even really try to make a crappy separate channel of him playing video games in a desperate bid for more viewers.

Oh Jesus ! I didn't even make that connection ! I just thought the Minecraft streaming thing was just another of his crappy 'media ideas' (like 'The Daily Argument with Stefan Molyneux . . . or . . . Thought Bites . . . and so on), but maybe in light of his declining popularity he's going to make a go at being the earth's first ever gaming "philosopher" ?  ;D

He alluded to such a possibility a while ago on Twitter. But the tepid response he got from his Minecraft videos might have changed his mind hehe.
Title: Re: Peak Molyneux ?
Post by: Lupus on May 04, 2019, 01:18:04 PM
He alluded to such a possibility a while ago on Twitter. But the tepid response he got from his Minecraft videos might have changed his mind hehe.

It sort of shows you where he is at the moment, he seems to be struggling somewhat for a direction ? His videos are all over the place . . . news cycle stuff* "Notre Dame Burns !" . . . Spinger-esque tabloid scandal* "My Mother is a Porn Star !!" . . . . "Why am I still a Virgin !!!??" . . . . . political gossip* "Cohen testifies!" . . . dietry advice for people living in the country next to him* "The Modern American Diet, The Ultimate Pyramid Scheme" . . . etc etc.

(*"philosophy")

Can you imagine Jordan Peterson, Coulter, Sam Harris  . . . or any serious figure, from the left or the right (or anywhere inbetween) thinking that this is the time to start a Minecraft channel ? Lol.

Jordan Peterson: "The definitive figure in the social organization of form representations within the archetype paradigm is always the collective authority, who knows where and when this might emerge, that is in part due to the incorporeal nature of the very thing that we raise up to occupy this false opening . . . oh yeah, and I'm starting a Fortnite channel"
Title: Re: Peak Molyneux ?
Post by: summa logicae on May 05, 2019, 01:33:03 PM
He alluded to such a possibility a while ago on Twitter. But the tepid response he got from his Minecraft videos might have changed his mind hehe.

It sort of shows you where he is at the moment, he seems to be struggling somewhat for a direction ? His videos are all over the place . . . news cycle stuff* "Notre Dame Burns !" . . . Spinger-esque tabloid scandal* "My Mother is a Porn Star !!" . . . . "Why am I still a Virgin !!!??" . . . . . political gossip* "Cohen testifies!" . . . dietry advice for people living in the country next to him* "The Modern American Diet, The Ultimate Pyramid Scheme" . . . etc etc.

(*"philosophy")

Can you imagine Jordan Peterson, Coulter, Sam Harris  . . . or any serious figure, from the left or the right (or anywhere inbetween) thinking that this is the time to start a Minecraft channel ? Lol.

Jordan Peterson: "The definitive figure in the social organization of form representations within the archetype paradigm is always the collective authority, who knows where and when this might emerge, that is in part due to the incorporeal nature of the very thing that we raise up to occupy this false opening . . . oh yeah, and I'm starting a Fortnite channel"

"My Brother Was Bat Boy And Mom Kept Him Locked In The Attic!" Haha it would hard to imagine them doing that. On a more serious note, I wonder if it ever occurs to Molyneux that he's seen as a complete joke by any serious intellectual that bothers to pay him any attention, or he really does believe that just having followers means he's doing important work. I say that because (apart from his cult leader/con man behavior) it's obvious he wants to be an intellectual but has no idea how to go about it.
Title: Re: Peak Molyneux ?
Post by: Lupus on May 05, 2019, 02:15:10 PM
"My Brother Was Bat Boy And Mom Kept Him Locked In The Attic!" Haha it would hard to imagine them doing that.

The future is looking to be a "philosophy" rollercoaster . . . .

Stefan Molyneux / My father was a woman AND a nazi !!
Stefan Molyneux / Why my daughter has TWO penises !!
Stefan Molyneux / I ATE my mother's brains to survive !
Stefan Molyneux / I married my DOG !! And now it wants a DIVORCE !
Stefan Molyneux / I was raped by the GHOST of my mother !!!

(All thumbnails contain either a picture of Molyneux doing his 'OMG!' face palm or scowling as if he's just found out the sales figures for UPB)


On a more serious note, I wonder if it ever occurs to Molyneux that he's seen as a complete joke by any serious intellectual that bothers to pay him any attention, or he really does believe that just having followers means he's doing important work.

I think people can rationalise away almost anything, if there's any sense that he's not a leading light in serious philosophy circles then it will be down to a leftist conspiracy against him.

I say that because (apart from his cult leader/con man behavior) it's obvious he wants to be an intellectual but has no idea how to go about it.

I think you are being a little unfair, have you even seen his 47 hour Christmas special with his 'excellent' singing ? Does Sam Harris entertain us at Christmas with singing ? I don't think so.
Title: Re: Peak Molyneux ?
Post by: summa logicae on May 05, 2019, 02:57:26 PM
"My Brother Was Bat Boy And Mom Kept Him Locked In The Attic!" Haha it would hard to imagine them doing that.

The future is looking to be a "philosophy" rollercoaster . . . .

Stefan Molyneux / My father was a woman AND a nazi !!
Stefan Molyneux / Why my daughter has TWO penises !!
Stefan Molyneux / I ATE my mother's brains to survive !
Stefan Molyneux / I married my DOG !! And now it wants a DIVORCE !
Stefan Molyneux / I was raped by the GHOST of my mother !!!

(All thumbnails contain either a picture of Molyneux doing his 'OMG!' face palm or scowling as if he's just found out the sales figures for UPB)

"MY FATHER DRESSED ME UP LIKE COW AND SOLD ME TO A FARM"!

I think you are being a little unfair, have you even seen his 47 hour Christmas special with his 'excellent' singing ? Does Sam Harris entertain us at Christmas with singing ? I don't think so.

That's true. Harris should know that true intellectuals sing and tap dance to really hammer a point home.
Title: Re: Peak Molyneux ?
Post by: Lupus on May 06, 2019, 05:49:15 AM
That's true. Harris should know that true intellectuals sing and tap dance to really hammer a point home.

I hear Steven Pinker is at least taking the time to work on a few magic tricks - and Zizek famously does the whole plate spinning and juggling thing, Harris need to raise his game if he wants to keep up with "public intellectuals" like Molyneux.  ;D
Title: Re: Peak Molyneux ?
Post by: Hierophant on May 09, 2019, 01:11:15 AM
People, people, let's not quarrel. No matter what our political position is, we can all agree that Stefan Molyneux is an idiot. It's the only thing that can unite America right now.
Title: Re: Peak Molyneux ?
Post by: The Observer on May 13, 2019, 05:04:49 PM
I haven't been paying much attention to his content over the last few weeks, but I will point out that it's odd that he's been losing subs a lot the last month.  According to social blade, he has fewer subs now than he did in April.  Have to wonder if those were bots or if some people really are getting bored.  I tried listening to one of his calls with a woman, but it became so predictable that I couldn't finish it.
Title: Re: Peak Molyneux ?
Post by: Lupus on May 13, 2019, 06:05:55 PM
. . . . it's odd that he's been losing subs a lot the last month.  According to social blade, he has fewer subs now than he did in April . . .

The Socialblade data is showing how many people have subbed to him each month, the rate at which he is picking up subs is falling (inline with his falling view count), so he is getting less and less people joining (subscribing to) him at time goes on  . . . . but that doesn't mean he is losing subs or that he has fewer subs now than he did in April.

So if you have 100 subscribers in Jan . . . and you add 10 subscribers every month, the rate at which you are attracting subscribers is constant (a flat line on the Socialblade graph). Your overall subscriber base is growing.

So if you have 100 subscribers in Jan . . . and you add 10 in the first month, then 8 the next month, then 6 the next month (and so on . . .) the rate at which you are attracting subscribers is falling (a declining line on the Socialblade graph). Your overall subscriber base is still growing, but at a slowing rate.


Title: Re: Peak Molyneux ?
Post by: The Observer on May 13, 2019, 07:26:52 PM
. . . . it's odd that he's been losing subs a lot the last month.  According to social blade, he has fewer subs now than he did in April . . .

The Socialblade data is showing how many people have subbed to him each month, the rate at which he is picking up subs is falling (inline with his falling view count), so he is getting less and less people joining (subscribing to) him at time goes on  . . . . but that doesn't mean he is losing subs or that he has fewer subs now than he did in April.

So if you have 100 subscribers in Jan . . . and you add 10 subscribers every month, the rate at which you are attracting subscribers is constant (a flat line on the Socialblade graph). Your overall subscriber base is growing.

So if you have 100 subscribers in Jan . . . and you add 10 in the first month, then 8 the next month, then 6 the next month (and so on . . .) the rate at which you are attracting subscribers is falling (a declining line on the Socialblade graph). Your overall subscriber base is still growing, but at a slowing rate.

I'm just speaking from what I saw, so it could be possible that I don't understand this site entirely.  I just noticed that in the last 10 days, there were many days where he lost 20, 30, or even 40 subs per day.  Maybe we're splitting hairs here, but I think something is going on that has slowed or stopped his growth. 
Title: Re: Peak Molyneux ?
Post by: Lupus on May 14, 2019, 06:49:54 AM
. . . something is going on that has slowed or stopped his growth.

I still think his problem is a post-Trump-election problem . . . Molyneux saw a marked increase in interest around the Trump election - and to a lesser extend in the period directly following.

The people who showed up through interest in Trump got what they came for - a confirmation of their political leanings - Molyneux knows how to preach to the congregation - Trump was lauded, praised and pretty much defied, his opponents demonised and portrayed as wicked plotting communists. All good stuff, standard political fare if - in Molyneux's hands - somewhat overly dramatic and theatrical (vote for X otherwise we will see a thousand years of darkness . . .  ).

Once the election was done those same people were expected to stick around and - for reasons never really explained - take a sudden interest in "philosophy" - to be fair the "philosophy" on offer was essentially just more bias-driven sociopolitical opinion - but mixed with the call-in shows (which seem to have caught themselves in a loop of repetition) and the very rare occasional short dip into actual philosophy (something done far far better on other - actual philosophy - channels) . . . and the result is a package I can't honestly see as being of much interest to a large part of his audience who were really only ever there to listen to someone champion their political candidate.

I'd also add that the repetition is likely an additional factor, I used to be an avid Molyneux viewer, I would literally watch/listen to every single video - a kind of morbid fascination - but even I struggle to get though the now laughably predictable call-in shows that have been done a hundred times before . . .


Caller: I lost my job because our parent company was bought out by Japanese investors.

Molyneux: Where was your mother when you got sacked ?

Caller: Wait, what . . ?

Molyneux: So, you lose your livelihood and your mother simply carries on as if everything is fine with the world, doesn't that strike you as a little 'cold' ?

Caller: Well I guess, but . . .

Molyneux: So, you have a mother who doesn't care whether you lose your job or not - and a mother who doesn't care for her children's wellbeing can only be described as psychopathic - and you are serioulsy wondering why you keep losing your job ? Why you can't function in the modern workplace ? . . . You are wondering, having been brought up by a narcissistic parasitical psychopath, why you might be struggling in life . . . seriously ? . . You really need to listen back to this show, you'll see how defensive and angry and entitled you are.

Caller: But . . .

Molyneux: When your mother was mind-raping you as a child what was your leftist father doing . . . ?









Title: Re: Peak Molyneux ?
Post by: Lupus on May 18, 2019, 11:46:38 PM
"How Do I Stop Banging Asian Women?"

Seriously, this is Molynuex's latest video ! His latest effort at bringing "philosophy" to the world.  ;D

I wonder if him going full-on Jerry Springer is simply an attempt to stem the decline in his popularity ? Or is this really what he always wanted to be doing, a kind of scandalous 'tabloid' gossip channel ?
Title: Re: Peak Molyneux ?
Post by: summa logicae on May 19, 2019, 01:50:30 AM
"How Do I Stop Banging Asian Women?"

Seriously, this is Molynuex's latest video ! His latest effort at bringing "philosophy" to the world.  ;D

I wonder if him going full-on Jerry Springer is simply an attempt to stem the decline in his popularity ? Or is this really what he always wanted to be doing, a kind of scandalous 'tabloid' gossip channel ?

When I saw the title for the video earlier today, I couldn't stop laughing for a while. That's a step down even for Molyneux. He's not even trying to make it sound pseudo-therapeutic now. It's desperate, and I don't see it bringing in too many new viewers, despite the Jerry Springer level of trashiness.
Title: Re: Peak Molyneux ?
Post by: Lupus on May 19, 2019, 09:14:27 AM
It's desperate, and I don't see it bringing in too many new viewers, despite the Jerry Springer level of trashiness.

Yet, it really does seem desperate, just in the last month we've had . . .



"I Blew Over $100,000 on Prostitutes - And I'm Lonely!"

"My Wife Wanted Kids, Now She Wants an Abortion!"

"How Do I Stop Banging Asian Women?"

"MOM ACCUSED DAD OF MOLESTING US!"

"My Stepbrother Shot Me - How Do I Move On?"



. . . you know it's real "philosophy" when it ends in an exclamation mark  ;) ;D
Title: Re: Peak Molyneux ?
Post by: summa logicae on May 19, 2019, 10:52:05 PM

. . . you know it's real "philosophy" when it ends in an exclamation mark  ;) ;D

Only the deepest of philosophy ends in exclamations marks hehe. Someone posted this under the video posted on his twitter and I thought it was pretty funny:

Title: Re: Peak Molyneux ?
Post by: Lupus on May 20, 2019, 11:39:54 AM
Someone posted this under the video posted on his twitter and I thought it was pretty funny:

Ha ! Perfect !  ;D
Title: Re: Peak Molyneux ?
Post by: Lupus on May 21, 2019, 04:44:42 PM
That's a step down even for Molyneux.


Mind you . . .

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Title: Re: Peak Molyneux ?
Post by: summa logicae on May 21, 2019, 11:16:42 PM
That's a step down even for Molyneux.


Mind you . . .

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Hahahahaha!! I forgot about those. They are considered seminal works by those philosophers, in fact.
Title: Re: Peak Molyneux ?
Post by: Lupus on May 22, 2019, 07:13:51 AM
Hahahahaha!! I forgot about those. They are considered seminal works by those philosophers, in fact.



Agreed, seminal works, without doubt some of philosophy's most important thinkers . . . . but where would they all be without those who went before them, where would they be without the insights of people like Hobbes . . .



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Title: Re: Peak Molyneux ?
Post by: summa logicae on May 23, 2019, 01:16:34 PM
Hahahahaha!! I forgot about those. They are considered seminal works by those philosophers, in fact.



Agreed, seminal works, without doubt some of philosophy's most important thinkers . . . . but where would they all be without those who went before them, where would they be without the insights of people like Hobbes . . .



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Hehehe. He also wrote Ye Truth Regarding Robin Williams, if I'm not mistaken. They rank up there with Immanuel Kant's Critique of Pure Reason.
Title: Re: Peak Molyneux ?
Post by: Lupus on May 23, 2019, 05:01:37 PM
Hehehe. He also wrote Ye Truth Regarding Robin Williams, if I'm not mistaken. They rank up there with Immanuel Kant's Critique of Pure Reason.

Yes, Kant (like Molyneux) is another giant in philosophy, Critique of Pure Reason ranks up there alongside Molyneux's Critique of Star Wars.
Title: Re: Peak Molyneux ?
Post by: Lupus on May 30, 2019, 12:34:35 PM
Today's "Philosophy" show . . .

"I Can't Dump My Hot Guy!"

Title: Re: Peak Molyneux ?
Post by: Lupus on June 01, 2019, 06:57:44 PM
The decline continues, new data point in red.

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Title: Re: Peak Molyneux ?
Post by: Lupus on June 01, 2019, 07:01:01 PM
. . . . it's odd that he's been losing subs a lot the last month.  According to social blade, he has fewer subs now than he did in April . . .


The Socialblade data is showing how many people have subbed to him each month, the rate at which he is picking up subs is falling (inline with his falling view count), so he is getting less and less people joining (subscribing to) him at time goes on  . . . . but that doesn't mean he is losing subs or that he has fewer subs now than he did in April.

So if you have 100 subscribers in Jan . . . and you add 10 subscribers every month, the rate at which you are attracting subscribers is constant (a flat line on the Socialblade graph). Your overall subscriber base is growing.

So if you have 100 subscribers in Jan . . . and you add 10 in the first month, then 8 the next month, then 6 the next month (and so on . . .) the rate at which you are attracting subscribers is falling (a declining line on the Socialblade graph). Your overall subscriber base is still growing, but at a slowing rate.


@ The Observer . . . .


It turns out you are right . . . Molyneux, for the first time, is now losing subscribers, he's crossed the zero line . . . not just the rate at which he attracts subscribers, but his absolute numbers are now falling, he dropped ~500 subscribers during April.

(the big spike between Jul - Oct 18 is not an actual increase, but a Youtube adjustment, during the same period the data shows a massive drop in viewing figures (-5m views) which is also to be ignored)

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Title: Re: Peak Molyneux ?
Post by: The Observer on June 03, 2019, 07:33:53 PM
. . . . it's odd that he's been losing subs a lot the last month.  According to social blade, he has fewer subs now than he did in April . . .


The Socialblade data is showing how many people have subbed to him each month, the rate at which he is picking up subs is falling (inline with his falling view count), so he is getting less and less people joining (subscribing to) him at time goes on  . . . . but that doesn't mean he is losing subs or that he has fewer subs now than he did in April.

So if you have 100 subscribers in Jan . . . and you add 10 subscribers every month, the rate at which you are attracting subscribers is constant (a flat line on the Socialblade graph). Your overall subscriber base is growing.

So if you have 100 subscribers in Jan . . . and you add 10 in the first month, then 8 the next month, then 6 the next month (and so on . . .) the rate at which you are attracting subscribers is falling (a declining line on the Socialblade graph). Your overall subscriber base is still growing, but at a slowing rate.


@ The Observer . . . .


It turns out you are right . . . Molyneux, for the first time, is now losing subscribers, he's crossed the zero line . . . not just the rate at which he attracts subscribers, but his absolute numbers are now falling, he dropped ~500 subscribers during April.

(the big spike between Jul - Oct 18 is not an actual increase, but a Youtube adjustment, during the same period the data shows a massive drop in viewing figures (-5m views) which is also to be ignored)

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Yes, I noticed that he was losing subs almost every day on Social Blade.  The reason for it?  I don't know.  I'm only speculating here, but I read that Youtube was deleting a lot of bot/fake accounts.  Another possibility could be that Moly has plateaued.  He hasn't really done anything new in the last year has he?   The documentary was the only thing I can think of that was new.  The message is always the same.
Title: Re: Peak Molyneux ?
Post by: Lupus on June 04, 2019, 06:33:07 PM
The reason for it?  I don't know.  I'm only speculating here, but I read that Youtube was deleting a lot of bot/fake accounts.  Another possibility could be that Moly has plateaued.

While I'm sure there are technical issues (Youtube endlessly tinkering with their various algorithms / deleting bot/fake accounts and so on) Molyneux's decline has spanned almost 2 years now, and that decline has been gradual and consistent, so it looks fairly organic to me - by organic I mean a natural process of loss . . . if his decline was the result of a technical adjustment it would show up as a sudden change - for example the YT adjustment in July-Aug 18 - but you can see, this adjustment sits against a stable background of a slow decline.

I suspect it's simply that a bunch of people were attracted to his Trump cheerleading, a lot stuck around after the party was over, but over time they've lost interest - to be fair if you'd signed up to listen to someone champion your political candidate of choice it doesn't follow that you'd then tune in regularly to listen to - entirely unrelated - amateur online therapy, dream interpretation and long embittered diatribes about how women are evil.  ;D

I mean . . . if I started watching - for example - a Youtube channel which kept me up to date with the various political machinations surrounding Brexit, would I want to stick around once Brexit was done to listen to the host lecture me on carpentry or bicycle maintenance ?



He hasn't really done anything new in the last year has he?

Agreed, he really hasn't, it's the same stuff you've heard year after year, he might shuffle the format around a little, but it's the same old stuff.

The documentary was the only thing I can think of that was new.  The message is always the same.

I loved that documentary ('The 100 Year March - A Philosopher in Poland') I'm not joking, I loved it, everything about it made me laugh, from the title to him slowly mincing around in the snow trying to look like a seasoned documentary front man, and I absolutely loved that overly dramatic bit towards the end with the sudden burst of anger where he almost attacks the camera (the bit about the 'fires of liberty' going out), lol, just wonderful . . . I might have to watch it again now  :D
Title: Re: Peak Molyneux ?
Post by: Lupus on June 11, 2019, 08:10:40 PM
Today's "Philosophy" show . . .

"I Can't Dump My Hot Guy!"

Today's 'Philosophy', exclamation mark and all . . .

"Dad Left Us For A Stripper!"


Title: Re: Peak Molyneux ?
Post by: summa logicae on June 12, 2019, 12:52:44 PM
Today's "Philosophy" show . . .

"I Can't Dump My Hot Guy!"

Today's 'Philosophy', exclamation mark and all . . .

"Dad Left Us For A Stripper!"

I can smell the philosophy from here on that one. Such profundity. Did you see the vegan "debate" he had recently?
Title: Re: Peak Molyneux ?
Post by: Lupus on June 12, 2019, 07:18:14 PM
I can smell the philosophy from here on that one. Such profundity.

Agreed, Molyneux's deeply insightful "Dad Left Us For A Stripper!" toys with a typically profound notion of existential awareness, rejecting the anthropic principle in search of something more foundational, of course - as any longtime Molyneux watcher will already know - the device of the 'stripper', in this 'conversation', is obvioulsy our own hesitancy to reveal ourselves in front of the expected standards of imposed societal norms, our reluctance to take off the 'mask', once again Molyneux cleverly plays with expectations, piloting his audience to a profound destination, a place made of philosophical mirrors, a place where the 'stripper' is finally seen. Deep. 

Did you see the vegan "debate" he had recently?

I've not seen that one yet, but I will check it out - as should everyone who is interested in being virtuous and honourable and a philosopher and virtuous and also philosophical and PayPal.
Title: Re: Peak Molyneux ?
Post by: summa logicae on June 12, 2019, 08:36:18 PM

Agreed, Molyneux's deeply insightful "Dad Left Us For A Stripper!" toys with a typically profound notion of existential awareness, rejecting the anthropic principle in search of something more foundational, of course - as any longtime Molyneux watcher will already know - the device of the 'stripper', in this 'conversation', is obvioulsy our own hesitancy to reveal ourselves in front of the expected standards of imposed societal norms, our reluctance to take off the 'mask', once again Molyneux cleverly plays with expectations, piloting his audience to a profound destination, a place made of philosophical mirrors, a place where the 'stripper' is finally seen. Deep. 


Indeed Molyneux plays with the 'stripper' archetype as a destructive force, ultimately for the good; as it forces us to confront the true enemy responsible for all our ills--the parental figure. Not since Nietzsche have such psychological insights into human behavior been brought to light.
Title: Re: Peak Molyneux ?
Post by: Lupus on June 12, 2019, 10:01:27 PM
Indeed Molyneux plays with the 'stripper' archetype as a destructive force, ultimately for the good; as it forces us to confront the true enemy responsible for all our ills--the parental figure.

Yes, in many ways Molyneux is dispensing with the merely rhetorical "who amongst us is not 'the stripper'", by making his audience part of not only the answer but the question itself, he is lowering his audience into the yawning cavernous void, on an umbilical cord made from nothing other than the audacious and fearless ideas of a maverick thought-leader, in the expectation that they can finally see the 'stripper' archetype as a normative behavioural model held in place - within the ethical abyss - by the strictures innate within language's use as a tool of tyranny.

Or as he, himself, puts it in his previous work "I Can't Dump My Hot Guy!", "it's like some guy saying he's really proud of being tall, it's like, come on you didn't earn that, it's just the way you were born".

Nietzsche have such psychological insights into human behavior been brought to light.

Who wrote UPB ? Was it Nietzsche, or was it Molyneux ?

It was Molyneux.
Title: Re: Peak Molyneux ?
Post by: summa logicae on June 12, 2019, 11:55:45 PM

Yes, in many ways Molyneux is dispensing with the merely rhetorical "who amongst us is not 'the stripper'", by making his audience part of not only the answer but the question itself, he is lowering his audience into the yawning cavernous void, on an umbilical cord made from nothing other than the audacious and fearless ideas of a maverick thought-leader, in the expectation that they can finally see the 'stripper' archetype as a normative behavioural model held in place - within the ethical abyss - by the strictures innate within language's use as a tool of tyranny.

Or as he, himself, puts it in his previous work "I Can't Dump My Hot Guy!", "it's like some guy saying he's really proud of being tall, it's like, come on you didn't earn that, it's just the way you were born".


Quite right. And it's reminiscent of Heidegger's "Dasein" in that, however greatly we fear fulfilling the 'stripper' archetype, our very existence is predicated on the embodiment of chaos. We are only born to destroy our "essence" (in this case our parents, no matter how loving they seemed) in order to become those great conquerors of all past moral and ethical concerns.
Title: Re: Peak Molyneux ?
Post by: Lupus on June 13, 2019, 02:35:34 PM
Quite right. And it's reminiscent of Heidegger's "Dasein" in that, however greatly we fear fulfilling the 'stripper' archetype, our very existence is predicated on the embodiment of chaos.

I think it was Heidegger himself who said "to become the 'stripper' we must take off the 'clothes' of chaos."

We are only born to destroy our "essence" (in this case our parents, no matter how loving they seemed) in order to become those great conquerors of all past moral and ethical concerns.

I don't think Molyneux was the first to reveal the innate deceit played out within the parent-child 'theatre', but he was certainly the first to entwine this essential truth into the larger tapestry, that of the parental figure as caregiver / sexual partner / monocratic oppressor. It's only through this lens -  constructed from Molyneux's astonishing and extraordinary journeys into the 'essence' - that we can see the parent as the 'snake' and the child as 'the parent'.
Title: Re: Peak Molyneux ?
Post by: Lupus on June 19, 2019, 09:17:47 PM
Today's "Philosophy" show . . .

"I Can't Dump My Hot Guy!"

Today's 'Philosophy', exclamation mark and all . . .

"Dad Left Us For A Stripper!"


"I Am a Child Abuser - Please Help Me STOP!"


Not click bait, but 'philosophy'.
Title: Re: Peak Molyneux ?
Post by: summa logicae on June 19, 2019, 10:14:06 PM
Today's "Philosophy" show . . .

"I Can't Dump My Hot Guy!"

Today's 'Philosophy', exclamation mark and all . . .

"Dad Left Us For A Stripper!"


"I Am a Child Abuser - Please Help Me STOP!"


Not click bait, but 'philosophy'.

Jerry Springer, eat your heart out. I'm guessing it's a guy that either spanks or yells at his kids for behaving badly. That can be the only reason Molyneux doesn't call child protective services and offers the call as evidence of actual abuse.
Title: Re: Peak Molyneux ?
Post by: Lupus on June 27, 2019, 03:23:01 AM
"I Can't Dump My Hot Guy!"

"Dad Left Us For A Stripper!"

"I Am a Child Abuser - Please Help Me STOP!"

. . . . . . . . .

Today's installement . . disappointed at there being no exclamation mark, but 'philosophy' is not an exact science.

"My Father was Raised by a Witch and Drank My Blood"
Title: Re: Peak Molyneux ?
Post by: Lupus on June 27, 2019, 03:30:33 AM
Jerry Springer, eat your heart out.

Yep ! You could put any of Molyneux's recent efforts on the front cover of a gutter-press tabloid or into a Jerry Springer episode title and I'd doubt anyone would think it out of place.
Title: Re: Peak Molyneux ?
Post by: summa logicae on June 27, 2019, 01:21:17 PM
"I Can't Dump My Hot Guy!"

"Dad Left Us For A Stripper!"

"I Am a Child Abuser - Please Help Me STOP!"

. . . . . . . . .

Today's installement . . disappointed at there being no exclamation mark, but 'philosophy' is not an exact science.

"My Father was Raised by a Witch and Drank My Blood"

That has to be the topper so far. You can't get much more tabloid than that. And on Twitter he asked what title he should put on it to not appear "clickbaity".
Title: Re: Peak Molyneux ?
Post by: Lupus on June 27, 2019, 05:02:08 PM
And on Twitter he asked what title he should put on it to not appear "clickbaity".

Lol, jeez !  ;D
Title: Re: Peak Molyneux ?
Post by: Lupus on July 01, 2019, 04:42:46 AM
The numbers are in for last month, The Jerry Springer click-bait approach wouldn't seem to be paying off, the decline continues . . .

Molyneux hit a new view-count low (at least since he's been well known) . . . his viewing figures actually halved last month ! Down from 1.87m the previous month to 904k ! A pretty steep decline from when he was regularly attracting 6-7m views.

Of course you can't simply extrapolate these figures to predict anything definite, but a 'best fit' trajectory sees him hit zero views by as soon as next month ! I doubt that would actually happen in reality, he'd probably bottom out before getting too low (??) but the direction is clear enough.

His subscriber numbers also continue to drop, and stay below zero (losing subscribers) for a second month.

(new data point in green)

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Title: Re: Peak Molyneux ?
Post by: summa logicae on July 01, 2019, 12:48:27 PM
The numbers are in for last month, The Jerry Springer click-bait approach wouldn't seem to be paying off, the decline continues . . .

Molyneux hit a new view-count low (at least since he's been well known) . . . his viewing figures actually halved last month ! Down from 1.87m the previous month to 904k ! A pretty steep decline from when he was regularly attracting 6-7m views.

Of course you can't simply extrapolate these figures to predict anything definite, but a 'best fit' trajectory sees him hit zero views by as soon as next month ! I doubt that would actually happen in reality, he'd probably bottom out before getting too low (??) but the direction is clear enough.

His subscriber numbers also continue to drop, and stay below zero (losing subscribers) for a second month.

(new data point in green)

(https://i.postimg.cc/WbKjHnXq/downdown.jpg)

It would seem the sensationalist click-bait approach is having the opposite effect, at least in his case. Part of that might have to do with his target audience. As we know, he picked up a lot of people from the conservative/Christian demographic by basically campaigning for Trump, and switching to quasi-statist rhetoric.  But I've noticed many of them conflict with Molyneux in his beliefs about "peaceful parenting", his deffoo tendencies, and other oddities. A number of them also may have noticed his barely camouflaged, hateful attitude towards women.
Title: Re: Peak Molyneux ?
Post by: Lupus on July 01, 2019, 06:19:28 PM
"I Can't Dump My Hot Guy!"

"Dad Left Us For A Stripper!"

"I Am a Child Abuser - Please Help Me STOP!"

"My Father was Raised by a Witch and Drank My Blood"


Glad to see Molyneux has reinstated the exclamation mark, how are we meant to know it's 'philosophy' without the exclamation mark !!! Today's effort . . .


"My Gay Brother Murdered His Lover - Unleashing a Demon on Me!"
Title: Re: Peak Molyneux ?
Post by: Lupus on July 01, 2019, 06:30:57 PM
It would seem the sensationalist click-bait approach is have the opposite effect, at least in his case.

I think his decline started before he ramped up the "My balls are on fire, but my wife (who is my brother) doesn't know" style of "philosophy". But to be fair, there has always been a tabloid / click-bait element to what he does, it just seems to have been pushed front-and-centre recently, if I were to make any correlation (and it'd only be a guess) I'd say his decline into Jerry Springer territory coincided with Mike leaving (?).

Part of that might have to do with his target audience. As we know, he picked up a lot of people from the conservative/Christian demographic by basically campaigning for Trump, and switching to quasi-statist rhetoric.  But I've noticed many of them conflict with Molyneux in his beliefs about "peaceful parenting", his deffoo tendencies, and other oddities. A number of them also may have noticed his barely camouflaged, hateful attitude towards women.

Agreed, the whole Molyneux package is a bit of an angry contradictory mess, you don't have to dig too far - from whatever ideological starting point you happen to come from - to quickly discover something unpleasant, contradictory or hypocritical, a Christian loving white nationalist atheist anarchist misanthropist who hates women and thinks there are no moral obligations whilst living under the state he vociferously campaigned to bring to power  ;D
Title: Re: Peak Molyneux ?
Post by: summa logicae on July 01, 2019, 08:30:58 PM

I think his decline started before he ramped up the "My balls are on fire, but my wife (who is my brother) doesn't know" style of "philosophy". But to be fair, there has always been a tabloid / click-bait element to what he does, it just seems to have been pushed front-and-centre recently, if I were to make any correlation (and it'd only be a guess) I'd say his decline into Jerry Springer territory coincided with Mike leaving (?).

Yes, his decline probably started some time before as a result of the scandals concerning FDR coming to light. And there has always been a tabloid element to his videos, before going full National Enquirer. Perhaps DeMarco acted as a kind of buffer agent, attempting to present a more professional image of Molyneux's horse manure.
Title: Re: Peak Molyneux ?
Post by: Lupus on July 02, 2019, 04:57:26 AM
And there has always been a tabloid element to his videos, before going full National Enquirer. Perhaps DeMarco acted as a kind of buffer agent, attempting to present a more professional image of Molyneux's horse manure.

Yeah, it increasingly looks that way, Mike looks to have been a kind of moderating influence.
Title: Re: Peak Molyneux ?
Post by: Lupus on July 02, 2019, 05:10:30 AM
As we know, he picked up a lot of people from the conservative/Christian demographic by basically campaigning for Trump, and switching to quasi-statist rhetoric.  But I've noticed many of them conflict with Molyneux in his beliefs about "peaceful parenting" . . .


He did thrown them a bone somewhat - in podcast FDR 3718 - when he said he would rather a child was raised in a Christian family and was - by his own definitions - abused, coerced and had violence used against them, rather than the child was raised in a peaceful, non-religious family.
Title: Re: Peak Molyneux ?
Post by: summa logicae on July 03, 2019, 12:44:34 PM
As we know, he picked up a lot of people from the conservative/Christian demographic by basically campaigning for Trump, and switching to quasi-statist rhetoric.  But I've noticed many of them conflict with Molyneux in his beliefs about "peaceful parenting" . . .


He did thrown them a bone somewhat - in podcast FDR 3718 - when he said he would rather a child was raised in a Christian family and was - by his own definitions - abused, coerced and had violence used against them, rather than the child was raised in a peaceful, non-religious family.

Another striking hypocrisy. I do love his bizarre allusions that he "believes in philosophy" when asked if he believes in God.
Title: Re: Peak Molyneux ?
Post by: Lupus on July 03, 2019, 05:59:28 PM
Another striking hypocrisy.

Yep, I think you could reasonably argue that by him saying this . . . (that he'd rather be brought up in a Christian family + abuse than in a peaceful non-religious family) . . . that he's just given a rationalisation to some members of his audience to justify continuing with (using his own words) their child 'abuse'. Not a good look for the word's preeminent protector and saviour of children.

I do love his bizarre allusions that he "believes in philosophy" when asked if he believes in God.

To Molyneux he is 'philosophy', he embodies it, if his channel were to die then 'philosophy' would die with it ('so send my your money'), when he says he 'believes in philosophy' he's saying he 'believes in Stefan Molyneux' . . . . to the question 'do you believe in God' he doesn't say 'no', he instead defines what 'God' means to him by - essentially - saying 'I believe in Stefan Molyneux'.

You see this self-deification in podcast FDR 3193 when he refers to himself becoming a hero to be worshipped . . .

“I wanted someone to love, and I was told it was supposed to be my mother, that didn’t work out so well, I was told it it was supposed to be other family members, that didn’t work out so well, I was told it was going to be god, that didn’t work out so well, Ayn Rand, that didn’t work out so well, so finally you give up and you end up becoming the hero you hoped to worship - that’s I think the final stage of self actualisation, is instead of finding someone to inspire you, you become someone who inspires . . . "