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Title: Is Stefan Molyneux a psychopath?
Post by: Rainbow Dash on March 20, 2014, 11:18:07 AM
After watching a lot of his podcasts, I noticed he has several traits associated with psychopathy, superficial charm and pathologic egocentricity being the most notable. Do you think he Stefan could be a psychopath?
Title: Re: Is Stefan Molyneux a psychopath?
Post by: Anarchist on March 20, 2014, 03:20:58 PM
While it's possible, there are a lot of other potential explanations.

I get the sense that he thought, particularly early on in FDR, that he had special insight, based on his readings of Ayn Rand and Alice Miller and so on, into how his problems were caused and solved which he then thought very simplistically must apply to everyone else (not that they actually applied to him in the first place), and he then started to spread this amazing knowledge that was sure to change the world.

While that's not a picture of mental health, I don't think it's psychopathic in particular.
Title: Re: Is Stefan Molyneux a psychopath?
Post by: Omega on March 20, 2014, 05:15:59 PM
While traits associated with psychopathy can be found in almost everyone. it is not how you diagnose psychopathy.

In , my opinion Stefan is more like woman by nature, living in world of delusions, where he is trying to invite other people.
I do not see evil intent in what he does, it is more like simple stupidity.

Stefan seem to be aware about reality and he makes quite good videos explaining what is happening in the world, however prefers to ignore that and live in his delusions.
Title: Re: Is Stefan Molyneux a psychopath?
Post by: Rainbow Dash on March 20, 2014, 06:26:53 PM
Stefan never seamed stupid to me, which is why I considered the possibility he was just simply dishonest and not actually valuing truth, which would make sense if he was a psychopath. But I am not a psychologist, so I could be wrong. I appreciate your input.
Title: Re: Is Stefan Molyneux a psychopath?
Post by: Prodigal son on March 20, 2014, 06:27:42 PM
He stated in a long-ago podcast that he doesn't think his "insight" is simply a narcissistic delusion but rather that he is "right" and has discovered the "real world". The podcast in question (663 "Unlearning") is perhaps worth a listen to see how completely Stefan has confused (I think) his poetic meanderings with the external world. Narcissism seems to me to be the psychological trait that best defines him. From my limited knowledge this condition has many hues, ranging from someone who is rather self-obsessed but otherwise perfectly harmless (I think most people have this to some degree) to a person completely lacking the ability to empathise with others and who sees them instead as aspects of his or her own personality. According to Alexander Lowen, a pathological narcissist is like a child entombed in a cell with mirrored walls - they don't actually interact with the world at all. I think this extreme case is called narcissistic personality disorder or NPD. This said, NPD, psycopathy and most other "personality disorders" are little more than labels based on observation of behavior and their usefulness is limited imo, but everything I have read about NPD leads me to conclude that Stefan offers a textbook example of what is meant by that expression. Somewhere on this site there is a link to a questionnaire that leads to the same conclusion when compiling it with Stefan's personality traits (as far as we can identify them). I think a rational individual would be far more circumspect before boldy assuming that he or she is alone in having discovered the key that unlocks the mystery of human happiness and virtue and acting on that premise while dismissing or disregarding the inevitable deleterious effects of such action (because reality, by its nature, can never conform to our fond imaginings - at least not all the time).
Title: Re: Is Stefan Molyneux a psychopath?
Post by: HansKarlsson on March 21, 2014, 12:20:24 AM
Do you think he Stefan could be a psychopath?
While I don't have much expertise in this field, so I can't tell whether he is, what I can tell is that Stefan Molyneux thinks he's a psychopath. I will quote a post I wrote earlier on the subject:

I remember listening to one of Stefan's videos on Psychopaths and listening to him for almost an hour how he describes himself. I was thinking at the time to write a transcript of the video with an explanation to each paragraph on why it applies 100% to Stefan. Didn't have time to do it. Here is the video:
The Fascists That Surround You - Part 2: Sociopaths ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbNu0Akyj4s#ws[/url])

Just listen to the first few minutes... you'll hear many "sociopaths/psychopaths do this and that, just the way you and I don't"... I think his subconscious was doing its job by setting himself apart as a category from his listeners ("you"). The way he just describes himself throughout the video is hilarious.
Title: Re: Is Stefan Molyneux a psychopath?
Post by: Elucidated on March 22, 2014, 01:42:04 PM
While traits associated with psychopathy can be found in almost everyone. it is not how you diagnose psychopathy.

In , my opinion Stefan is more like woman by nature, living in world of delusions, where he is trying to invite other people.
I do not see evil intent in what he does, it is more like simple stupidity.

Are you saying that women live in a world of delusions? If so on what can you possibly base this?

Title: Re: Is Stefan Molyneux a psychopath?
Post by: Omega on March 22, 2014, 04:43:05 PM
Are you saying that women live in a world of delusions? If so on what can you possibly base this?
Yes women live in delusions because they like to build their world as imitation.

lets take male escort services: females pay for nice words and imitation of love. Why anyone  would ever pay for lie? 

From my own experience: my mother wants me to remember birthdays or things like that, but I tell hr that birthdays are meaningless to me sure I can set some alarm clock on my computer and I can make some act, but why shroud I lie to my mother that I care about something I do not care at all?  and yet she wants that act even if she knows that it is act only.
same is with my sister: If she asks question and I tell what I really think, she sometimes complains that i should not say that.
and whats more interesting she does not like to even know uncomfortable truth, so she simply tries to avoid certain information.

It is common knowledge that you are always supposed to lie to women if you want to get their love.
If woman asks do I looks good you cant tell her truth or even make constructive remarks how to make improvements, she usually just wants affirmation.

Title: Re: Is Stefan Molyneux a psychopath?
Post by: Elucidated on March 22, 2014, 05:15:34 PM
Are you saying that women live in a world of delusions? If so on what can you possibly base this?
Yes women live in delusions because they like to build their world as imitation.

lets take male escort services: females pay for nice words and imitation of love. Why anyone  would ever pay for lie? 

From my own experience: my mother wants me to remember birthdays or things like that, but I tell hr that birthdays are meaningless to me sure I can set some alarm clock on my computer and I can make some act, but why shroud I lie to my mother that I care about something I do not care at all?  and yet she wants that act even if she knows that it is act only.
same is with my sister: If she asks question and I tell what I really think, she sometimes complains that i should not say that.
and whats more interesting she does not like to even know uncomfortable truth, so she simply tries to avoid certain information.

It is common knowledge that you are always supposed to lie to women if you want to get their love.
If woman asks do I looks good you cant tell her truth or even make constructive remarks how to make improvements, she usually just wants affirmation.
You've based your opinion of 50% of the population on two members of your own family and myth which you call 'common knowledge'. It seems like you don't have much experience of women, and you have no empirical evidence to back up your position.

I can't speak for any of the other females on here but you've certainly managed to alienate me.
Title: Re: Is Stefan Molyneux a psychopath?
Post by: Omega on March 22, 2014, 05:49:10 PM
I am do not have much to do with women, however everyone else on internet confirms what I say here and I see that many men agree with that.

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I can't speak for any of the other females on here but you've certainly managed to alienate me.
Yet another confirmation of what i said: just say something uncomfortable to female and she will get into rage. You do not care about truth either, all you care is your illusion.
If you were man you probably attempted to prove my wrong or criticize my claims somehow, but as woman you just reject source of uncomfortable information.
Title: Re: Is Stefan Molyneux a psychopath?
Post by: Elucidated on March 22, 2014, 05:57:28 PM
I am do not have much to do with women, however everyone else on internet confirms what I say here and I see that many men agree with that.

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I can't speak for any of the other females on here but you've certainly managed to alienate me.
Yet another confirmation of what i said: just say something uncomfortable to female and she will get into rage. You do not care about truth either, all you care is your illusion.
If you were man you probably attempted to prove my wrong or criticize my claims somehow, but as woman you just reject source of uncomfortable information.
You say I do not care about truths and a man would try to prove you wrong. It is you who made the claim, so it is you who needs to prove it, not me who needs to disprove it. If I were to tell you that fairies exist, would the onus on you to disprove it? No, the onus would be on me to prove it. How can you disprove it?

You say I reject a source of uncomfortable information - there is no source of information, just your opinion.

Does it occur to you that you may be the one who is delusional?
Title: Re: Is Stefan Molyneux a psychopath?
Post by: Omega on March 22, 2014, 06:20:36 PM
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You say I do not care about truths and a man would try to prove you wrong. It is you who made the claim, so it is you who needs to prove it, not me who needs to disprove it. If I were to tell you that fairies exist, would the onus on you to disprove it? No, the onus would be on me to prove it. How can you disprove it?
I proved my claim in a way i can do it. You have right to disagree.
But the problem is that you do not care about any proof of disproof. All you cares is about your comfort.

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You say I reject a source of uncomfortable information - there is no source of information, just your opinion.
So whats wrong with my opinion?  Am I not allowed to have certain opinions?

What If some woman asks me If she is fat and ugly, and i will tell her that yes I think she is fat and ugly. How telling the truth will end, I guess she will not be pleased.

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Does it occur to you that you may be the one who is delusional
I wonder if you will ever find more disillusioned person on earth than I am.
Title: Re: Is Stefan Molyneux a psychopath?
Post by: Phil on March 23, 2014, 11:26:38 PM
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You say I do not care about truths and a man would try to prove you wrong. It is you who made the claim, so it is you who needs to prove it, not me who needs to disprove it. If I were to tell you that fairies exist, would the onus on you to disprove it? No, the onus would be on me to prove it. How can you disprove it?
I proved my claim in a way i can do it. You have right to disagree.
But the problem is that you do not care about any proof of disproof. All you cares is about your comfort.

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You say I reject a source of uncomfortable information - there is no source of information, just your opinion.
So whats wrong with my opinion?  Am I not allowed to have certain opinions?

What If some woman asks me If she is fat and ugly, and i will tell her that yes I think she is fat and ugly. How telling the truth will end, I guess she will not be pleased.


There is nothing wrong with your opinion, Omega.  The problem is when you conflate it with fact.  Elucidated has correctly pointed out that you have not provided any facts to back up your opinion. 

Nor should you conflate being honest with the truth.  You may believe something and state what you think is true, but that does not make it the truth.

To use your example; if a woman asks you if you think she is fat and you believe that she is and tell her that you think she is, then you are expressing your opinion honestly.  If that woman went to a doctor and had her body fat percentage measured and it was below the threshold for being overweight, then the facts are that she is not fat. 



Title: Re: Is Stefan Molyneux a psychopath?
Post by: Omega on March 24, 2014, 07:55:15 AM
There is nothing wrong with your opinion, Omega.  The problem is when you conflate it with fact.  Elucidated has correctly pointed out that you have not provided any facts to back up your opinion. 
I provided facts to back up my opinion.
and as i said I don't mind disagreement, Elucidated is trying to disallow me to express myself because what I say makes her uncomfortable.

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Nor should you conflate being honest with the truth.  You may believe something and state what you think is true, but that does not make it the truth.

being honest is telling truth by definition. Absolute truth does not exist entirely. It is always someone's opinion.

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To use your example; if a woman asks you if you think she is fat and you believe that she is and tell her that you think she is, then you are expressing your opinion honestly.  If that woman went to a doctor and had her body fat percentage measured and it was below the threshold for being overweight, then the facts are that she is not fat.

statement that she is fat is not same as medical overweight, fat means subjectively fat and if woman is asking you if she is fat, she is asking how you see her, not that she requests to measure her body mass index with your eyes.
Title: Re: Is Stefan Molyneux a psychopath?
Post by: Sid1990 on March 24, 2014, 10:59:42 AM
Hmm Omega I have to say that, while you have every right to your opinion, it seems pretty naive of you to equate your extremely limited experience as fact, and not expect at least some backlash. Especially when your experience is based off two women, both in your family, and 'the opinion of the internet' (which you know, is totally infallible)

I will say, in the spirit of being fair, that you are partially right, there are some women who are delusional, or don't like uncomfortable truths, but the same can be said for men.

I would point out men who inject themselves with special compounds for the sole purpose of inflating their muscles. Some think it looks good (though personally I feel it looks utterly disgusting) but it is the perfect example of creating an illusion of something that isn't really there. (http://newsok.com/bodybuilder-admits-his-29-inch-biceps-are-fake/article/3942419 (http://newsok.com/bodybuilder-admits-his-29-inch-biceps-are-fake/article/3942419))

Also, from my personal experience (which includes women outside my family) I have met some wonderful women who have no problem with direct truths. One particular example is my friend who is a singer song-writer. I regularly discuss some of her songs and lyrics while they are a work in progress, and if there is a part I don't like, I tell her. When this happens, she doesn't complain, or ignore it, she examines the part I don't like, and does her best to address whatever the problem is. And this is just one example of many other women I've had the pleasure of knowing from around the world who are equally capably of handing 'uncomfortable truths'.

The thing is, in my opinion, being delusional is a human trait, equally likely in men as it is for women. It's something I've done in my life, it's something you have likely done in your life, and trying to claim it is a particular trait of just one sex is utterly baseless, offensive, and out right stupid.

But hey, that's just my opinion.
Title: Re: Is Stefan Molyneux a psychopath?
Post by: Omega on March 24, 2014, 12:58:52 PM
Of course my direct experience is limited however there are lots of articles and testimonies from other people for example this:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1168182/Catfights-handbags-tears-toilets-When-producer-launched-women-TV-company-thought-shed-kissed-goodbye-conflict-.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1168182/Catfights-handbags-tears-toilets-When-producer-launched-women-TV-company-thought-shed-kissed-goodbye-conflict-.html)

Also It sometimes happened for me in forums when I criticize women men start attacking me for being insensitive and everyone is lying to that woman to make her comfortable.
It is possible that she really wants to hear honest response, but at least other people expect that she wants to her lies. So that must be common knowledge.

Of course this is common to all society not only women but I guess women are much more susceptible.

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I would point out men who inject themselves with special compounds for the sole purpose of inflating their muscles.

This is not appropriate proof because it is one thing to create illusion for someone else and another to lie to yourself.

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I have met some wonderful women who have no problem with direct truths.

You used word some so it must be not so big proportion from all population you met. otherwise you had used word most.

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The thing is, in my opinion, being delusional is a human trait, equally likely in men as it is for women. It's something I've done in my life, it's something you have likely done in your life, and trying to claim it is a particular trait of just one sex is utterly baseless, offensive, and out right stupid.

Of course everyone is different however there is still certain statistic and expectations.
and when you meet someone whom you don't know you usually start with stereotypical assumptions.
and it is useful to use these stereotypes to label unrelated people, like if we have that "niggers" are stupid people with slave mentality we just label all stupid people niggers even if they are white. so this word does not mean certain race it is general label for certain collection of traits.

In same way man who has more feminine than masculine traits should be labeled as woman, because otherwise all these words have absolutely no meaning.
If you asume that men and women are equal words man and woman are synonymous.
Title: Re: Is Stefan Molyneux a psychopath?
Post by: Phil on March 26, 2014, 07:08:33 AM
Getting back to the thread topic:

A lot of people have pointed out narcissistic behaviour.  There is an article on this site discussing "splitting," a thought process prominent in both NPD and BPD.  Personally, I find his grandiosity to be over the top, especially for a middle aged man.


Title: Re: Is Stefan Molyneux a psychopath?
Post by: landoramone30 on March 09, 2015, 05:24:35 AM
Psychopathy mental illness or disorder. Mental illness is not synonymous with brain illness. The brain is the organ or object that produce mental states illness being one of them. I can only presume your question is directed towards the subject of the question, the subject being some entity called Stefan Molyneux. It is funny I look at a few comments and it would seem many people know this entity intimately and pass judgement with no facts. Show me the facts your first hand knowledge and not hearsay.
Title: Re: Is Stefan Molyneux a psychopath?
Post by: X on March 21, 2015, 04:51:09 AM
It is funny I look at a few comments and it would seem many people know this entity intimately and pass judgement with no facts. Show me the facts your first hand knowledge and not hearsay.

The idea that Molyneux is a psychopath is based on his voluminous output, this guy has shared his views on pretty much everything imaginable, and at great length, the idea that you need to know someone intimately to suspect they might be pscyopathic (or narcissistic) is silly.
Title: Re: Is Stefan Molyneux a psychopath?
Post by: Kaz on March 24, 2015, 10:03:56 PM
It is funny I look at a few comments and it would seem many people know this entity intimately and pass judgement with no facts. Show me the facts your first hand knowledge and not hearsay.

The idea that Molyneux is a psychopath is based on his voluminous output, this guy has shared his views on pretty much everything imaginable, and at great length, the idea that you need to know someone intimately to suspect they might be pscyopathic (or narcissistic) is silly.

Hi X  :)

Given the reputation that psychopaths and other Machiavellian types have for their verbal manipulation skills, it is far better to follow the ball and not be distracted by the commentary.


Title: Re: Is Stefan Molyneux a psychopath?
Post by: X on March 25, 2015, 01:43:59 AM
Given the reputation that psychopaths and other Machiavellian types have for their verbal manipulation skills, it is far better to follow the ball and not be distracted by the commentary.

I'm not quite sure what your somewhat mysterious comment is saying ?

What I was saying was that the idea that judgement is being passed on Molyneux without facts and is nothing more than hearsay is - in my view - mistaken, Molyneux is vocal, frank and outspoken, he certainly don't hold back when it comes to sharing his opinions on pretty much anything and everything, and at great length, the idea that there are 'no facts' to employ here, is plainly nonsense, there are thousands of hours of taped thoughts - of course you can never really know the contents of someone else's head, but it's not unreasonable to hazard a guess given the material available.
Title: Re: Is Stefan Molyneux a psychopath?
Post by: Kaz on March 25, 2015, 04:38:10 AM
Given the reputation that psychopaths and other Machiavellian types have for their verbal manipulation skills, it is far better to follow the ball and not be distracted by the commentary.

I'm not quite sure what your somewhat mysterious comment is saying ?

What I was saying was that the idea that judgement is being passed on Molyneux without facts and is nothing more than hearsay is - in my view - mistaken, Molyneux is vocal, frank and outspoken, he certainly don't hold back when it comes to sharing his opinions on pretty much anything and everything, and at great length, the idea that there are 'no facts' to employ here, is plainly nonsense, there are thousands of hours of taped thoughts - of course you can never really know the contents of someone else's head, but it's not unreasonable to hazard a guess given the material available.

Yes, Molyneux certainly has insisted on sharing his often contradictory opinions about  everything!

 Like a lot of people here, I can't stand to listen to that voice, but I don't have to because even more telling than what he says is what he does...Tru Shibes, the $2 donation, Joe Rogan....the list goes on and on. 

I'm sorry for being so vague, I was not disagreeing with the point you were making, what I was making a comment on is that when it comes to individuals who are at best problematic but at worst may be downright dangerous, it is best to focus on their behaviour and not so much their words. 

Manipulative people are often very persuasive, charming talkers and are very good at managing impressions, hence my comment that it is best to judge their actions and not get too involved with their head spinning arguments.  Many people got sucked into FDR that way and even Robert Hare has been sucked in by diagnosed psychopaths.

Title: Re: Is Stefan Molyneux a psychopath?
Post by: mikef on March 25, 2015, 08:36:29 AM
In fact, what makes Stefan Molyneux so interesting, to me anyway, is that it's one of those rare opportunities to examine one of these people up close and really see how they operate due to the fact he puts so much of himself out there.  And I enjoy coming on here and reading people's analyses.  They, narcissists and psychopaths, are a reasonable percentage of the population and we all run into them.  It's useful to know how they work and how to deal with them especially since many of us have fallen prey to one at one time or another.

And beyond that they are just fascinating from a science perspective.  How does someone end up like this and how do people end up following them and how do they break away, etc.   If humans are basically deterministic machines, and I think we are, then there has to be some kind of rationality (as warped as it is) behind it.
Title: Re: Is Stefan Molyneux a psychopath?
Post by: Patrick Leonard on April 05, 2015, 02:01:43 PM
Well let's see. He speaks a lot of truth only to gain a following and a sex-slave cult.

Following that basic premise that leans me closer to this answer:

f*ck YES  >:(

And how unfortunate because I expected more from this guy. He seemed completely legit to me until I found freedom feens. I was skeptical of freedom feens at first but now I can see that they're the legit ones, not Stefan.

And beyond that they are just fascinating from a science perspective.  How does someone end up like this and how do people end up following them and how do they break away, etc.   If humans are basically deterministic machines, and I think we are, then there has to be some kind of rationality (as warped as it is) behind it.

What is meant by a deterministic machine?
Title: Re: Is Stefan Molyneux a psychopath?
Post by: Argent on April 05, 2015, 02:25:58 PM
sex-slave cult.

Stefan seems to have a lot of unstated motivations, but I haven't heard that one before. Evidence?
Title: Re: Is Stefan Molyneux a psychopath?
Post by: X on April 05, 2015, 02:35:29 PM
Well let's see. He speaks a lot of truth only to gain a following and a sex-slave cult.


Hmmmmm . . . . . Molyneux is all sorts of unsavoury, but there is absolutely zero indication that he's part of a 'sex-slave cult'  ;D

I'd ask the see evidence for the claim, but I think we all know that would be a pointless exercise.
Title: Re: Is Stefan Molyneux a psychopath?
Post by: Patrick Leonard on April 05, 2015, 06:42:04 PM
Well let's see. He speaks a lot of truth only to gain a following and a sex-slave cult.


Hmmmmm . . . . . Molyneux is all sorts of unsavoury, but there is absolutely zero indication that he's part of a 'sex-slave cult'  ;D

I'd ask the see evidence for the claim, but I think we all know that would be a pointless exercise.

Sex slave may have been a bit extreme, but listen to the feens' podcast on the matter

Yeah I think I went to far when I said sex-slave. But there is definitely a cult.
Title: Re: Is Stefan Molyneux a psychopath?
Post by: X on April 06, 2015, 07:30:35 AM
Sex slave may have been a bit extreme, but listen to the feens' podcast on the matter

Can you be a little more specific than pointing to thousands of hours of podcasts and saying 'it's in there somewhere' ?  ;D

Which Freedom Feens episode (and roughly where in that episode) is it suggested (or even vaguely hinted at) that Molyneux 'speaks a lot of truth only to gain a following and a sex-slave cult' ?

Yeah I think I went to far when I said sex-slave. But there is definitely a cult.

The problem . . . (the reason I ask about this) . . . is that this is exactly the kind of thing Molyneux (and his apologists) would love to see on a forum like FDRliberated, outrageous claims with zero evidence that are absolutely unable to be supported, precisely what they would want so as to dismiss the forum as a 'hate site'.

I think there is a very real conversation to be had about whether this character is a psychopath (I'm uncertain) or perhaps a narcissist (I think this is almost certainly the case), about whether his ideas are flawed, based on faulty thinking / poor logic, whether his is a misogynist, a racist, a misanthropist, whether he consciously lies or is simply driven by confirmation bias (and so on . . . ), all these questions can be easily delegitimised (in the minds of Molyneux apologists) by the inclusion of something like 'yeah, he's also an alien, he's come to earth to steal our gold'.
Title: Re: Is Stefan Molyneux a psychopath?
Post by: Mike_Lice on April 06, 2015, 08:12:15 AM
Sex slave may have been a bit extreme, but listen to the feens' podcast on the matter
so the freedom feens said something about Stefan and sex. And you pumped it up to " Stefan is running a sex slave cult"
Are you a journalist for TMZ? :P
Title: Re: Is Stefan Molyneux a psychopath?
Post by: Philosofree on April 06, 2015, 10:35:39 AM
Can you be a little more specific than pointing to thousands of hours of podcasts and saying 'it's in there somewhere' ?  ;D

Which Freedom Feens episode (and roughly where in that episode) is it suggested (or even vaguely hinted at) that Molyneux 'speaks a lot of truth only to gain a following and a sex-slave cult' ?
Yeah, I've been listening to the Freedom Feens since last October, can't recall them ever saying anything about Stef in relation to sex-slavery (unless it's in one of the three most recent episodes since I haven't had a chance to listen to them yet).
Title: Re: Is Stefan Molyneux a psychopath?
Post by: Patrick Leonard on April 06, 2015, 11:20:18 AM
Okay that's what I meant when I said "Sex-Slave" is extreme.

But Stefan Molyneux definitely has a cult.

Just completely forget that I mentioned sex slave. I was exaggerating when I added the sex-slave competent, but not the cult component. I don't want to give Freedom Feens a bad name.

http://www.freedomfeens.com/2014/08/31/the-truth-about-stefan-molyneux-from-two-people-who-were-in-his-inner-circle-freedom-feens-live-radio-archive/ (http://www.freedomfeens.com/2014/08/31/the-truth-about-stefan-molyneux-from-two-people-who-were-in-his-inner-circle-freedom-feens-live-radio-archive/)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oETsr9TqzS0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oETsr9TqzS0)
Title: Re: Is Stefan Molyneux a psychopath?
Post by: X on April 06, 2015, 04:55:24 PM
. . . . though I could see someone using that phrase to describe his prudish attitudes about the topic.


Molyneux is quite odd in that he mixes the prudish with the prurient, on one hand his attitude to sexuality wouldn't be out of place with the CPVPV (Committee for the Promotion of Virtue and the Prevention of Vice, Saudi Arabia's 'religious police'), with talk of avoiding sex before marriage, women in their late 20s with any kind of sexual history being disgusting 'used' or otherwise 'secondhand', with crude imaginings of the state of their sexual organs, advising his listeners to never so much as be alone in a room with a woman you don't know . . . and so on . . . while at the same time seeming fixated on the sexuality of his listeners, often unable to rise above his impoverished homespun reading of relationships, reducing connection, intimacy and love to 'pussy' and a number ('what is she, like a 7, maybe an 8, right ?').
Title: Re: Is Stefan Molyneux a psychopath?
Post by: Mike_Lice on April 06, 2015, 05:09:13 PM
. . . . though I could see someone using that phrase to describe his prudish attitudes about the topic.


Molyneux is quite odd in that he mixes the prudish with the prurient, on one hand his attitude to sexuality wouldn't be out of place with the CPVPV (Committee for the Promotion of Virtue and the Prevention of Vice, Saudi Arabia's 'religious police'), with talk of avoiding sex before marriage, women in their late 20s with any kind of sexual history being disgusting 'used' or otherwise 'secondhand', with crude imaginings of the state of their sexual organs, advising his listeners to never so much as be alone in a room with a woman you don't know . . . and so on . . . while at the same time seeming fixated on the sexuality of his listeners, often unable to rise above his impoverished homespun reading of relationships he reduces connection, intimacy and love to 'pussy' and a number ('what is she, like a 7, maybe an 8, right ?').

The language stefan uses when talking about relationships can be very crass sometimes. Often the subject isn't sex, but Stefan likes to reduce it to the interaction of male and female genitals.
 
Im curious when he is going to let his daughter listen to his shows.
Must be interesting for a young daughter hearing her dad talk about gold digging women wanting to suck out the man's money thru his dick with their vaginas.
Title: Re: Is Stefan Molyneux a psychopath?
Post by: Elvis_left_the_building on April 06, 2015, 06:31:10 PM
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Im curious when he is going to let his daughter listen to his shows.
Must be interesting for a young daughter hearing her dad talk about gold digging women wanting to suck out the man's money thru his dick with their vaginas.
I don't think she has a puritan view of femininity - women would be innocent little angels besmirged by male sexuality. She just would have to overcome his intellectual slovenly and not confuse women with all women. :)
Title: Re: Is Stefan Molyneux a psychopath?
Post by: Patrick Leonard on April 06, 2015, 07:09:33 PM
. . . . though I could see someone using that phrase to describe his prudish attitudes about the topic.


Molyneux is quite odd in that he mixes the prudish with the prurient, on one hand his attitude to sexuality wouldn't be out of place with the CPVPV (Committee for the Promotion of Virtue and the Prevention of Vice, Saudi Arabia's 'religious police'), with talk of avoiding sex before marriage, women in their late 20s with any kind of sexual history being disgusting 'used' or otherwise 'secondhand', with crude imaginings of the state of their sexual organs, advising his listeners to never so much as be alone in a room with a woman you don't know . . . and so on . . . while at the same time seeming fixated on the sexuality of his listeners, often unable to rise above his impoverished homespun reading of relationships he reduces connection, intimacy and love to 'pussy' and a number ('what is she, like a 7, maybe an 8, right ?').

The problem is I think its one thing to promote waiting to have sex and another thing to arrest people and cut off their heads if they don't comply to your will.
Title: Re: Is Stefan Molyneux a psychopath?
Post by: X on April 07, 2015, 02:58:50 AM
The problem is I think its one thing to promote waiting to have sex and another thing to arrest people and cut off their heads if they don't comply to your will.

How is that a problem, and who or what is it a problem for ?
Title: Re: Is Stefan Molyneux a psychopath?
Post by: Patrick Leonard on April 08, 2015, 12:16:47 AM
The problem is I think its one thing to promote waiting to have sex and another thing to arrest people and cut off their heads if they don't comply to your will.

How is that a problem, and who or what is it a problem for ?

I meant with the argument.

There's nothing wrong with simply promoting waiting for marriage to have sex versus

Promoting it with force.

"on one hand his attitude to sexuality wouldn't be out of place with the CPVPV (Committee for the Promotion of Virtue and the Prevention of Vice, Saudi Arabia's 'religious police'), with talk of avoiding sex before marriage,"

Title: Re: Is Stefan Molyneux a psychopath?
Post by: X on April 08, 2015, 05:43:10 PM
I meant with the argument.

What argument ? I've made a comparison, not an argument ? I am saying Molyneux is prudish, and am comparing his ideas on sex to an extreme example of sexual conservatism to make that point. The fact that the CPVPV use force to impose their will, whilst true, is irreverent to my point.


There's nothing wrong with simply promoting waiting for marriage to have sex versus Promoting it with force.

You are presenting a false dilemma (false dichotomy).

The evidence suggests that 'waiting for marriage to have sex' is far from problem free (if that's what you are suggesting, it's not clear), abstinence only approaches to sex are rife with problems.

And, again, whether stymying basic human drives is demonstrably good or bad (however we measure that) is also irreverent to my point.
Title: Re: Is Stefan Molyneux a psychopath?
Post by: money detonator on April 08, 2015, 08:13:31 PM
Molyneux is quite odd in that he mixes the prudish with the prurient

This isn't at all an odd combination.  People who are comfortable with sexuality don't talk about sex or anatomy the way Molyneux does.  Pornography and "dirty talk" work on those who are the most uptight or repressed about sex.

It is interesting that Molyneux sometimes calls breasts "dirty pillows".  The only other time I have heard that term used is by the psycho fundamentalist Christian mother in the movie Carrie.
Title: Re: Is Stefan Molyneux a psychopath?
Post by: mikef on April 10, 2015, 03:11:15 AM
Molyneux is quite odd in that he mixes the prudish with the prurient

This isn't at all an odd combination.  People who are comfortable with sexuality don't talk about sex or anatomy the way Molyneux does.  Pornography and "dirty talk" work on those who are the most uptight or repressed about sex.

It is interesting that Molyneux sometimes calls breasts "dirty pillows".  The only other time I have heard that term used is by the psycho fundamentalist Christian mother in the movie Carrie.

Honestly, I find much narcissistic behaviour to be immature and childish in nature.  And it's kind of the same with the way Moly talks about sexuality.  It's like the teenage boy with no experience in sex laughing at all the dirty stuff and trying to sound provocative.
Title: Re: Is Stefan Molyneux a psychopath?
Post by: mikef on April 10, 2015, 03:48:53 AM
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The Cerebral Narcissist

There is another very different type of narcissist. The cerebral narcissist feels that sex is demeaning and degrading. He feels that acting on one’s sex drive is a primitive and common impulse. The cerebral narcissist tells himself that he is above all that, endowed as he is with superior intellect and superior self-control. The cerebral narcissist does not enjoy sex and prefers masturbation or emotionless sex (such as going to prostitutes).

When you are brought up a certain way, you actually have an unhealthy attitude towards sex that you can't help, and turning that around, so that you have a healthy attitude towards it is quite the effort.  I would say that the "cerebral narcissist" is really just making excuses.  Just lying to themselves.  They likely have an unhealthy attitude towards sex that was indoctrinated into them.