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Title: Molyneux on Ruben Report. DeFOO and Cultism Discussed.
Post by: JimJesus on November 08, 2017, 12:34:57 PM
https://youtu.be/nOsfnylS0OU
Title: Re: Molyneux on Ruben Report. DeFOO and Cultism Discussed.
Post by: summa logicae on November 08, 2017, 04:36:31 PM
I almost had an asthma attack from laughter at around 6:28--"I have this sort of rule. I don't tell anyone what to do on the show." It was also funny how Molyneux failed to mention how he censors many critical comments on his videos, twitter, and facebook when Rubin asked him about negative opinions, then goes on to compare himself to Socrates and Copernicus as an original thinker. Later around 24:45 he shifts the cult comparison of his show to the family itself, and instead of defining what behavior justifies defooing himself, he asks Rubin to define it, which he does reasonably. Very sly.
Title: Re: Molyneux on Ruben Report. DeFOO and Cultism Discussed.
Post by: money detonator on November 09, 2017, 11:15:19 AM
He was shoveling the same pile of horse manure on Joe Rogan's show years ago, except Rogan was much more skeptical.

Interesting to see Molyneux has crawled out of his spider hole.  I thought we were going to have extreme vetting for who can come into the US.  :P
Title: Re: Molyneux on Ruben Report. DeFOO and Cultism Discussed.
Post by: Kronze21 on November 09, 2017, 03:29:53 PM
I was just about to post this because I was curious what the anti-stef people thought about this.  For me this was a fantastic interview and puts to rest the idea that he's some sort of cult leader or any of that other non-sense. 
Title: Re: Molyneux on Ruben Report. DeFOO and Cultism Discussed.
Post by: Kronze21 on November 09, 2017, 03:31:47 PM
Here's part 2 which I find even better than part 1.  Fantastic stuff and I can't understand how anyone could have a negative view of Stef after watching this interview from beginning to end.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0KKc6GbeNo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0KKc6GbeNo)
Title: Re: Molyneux on Ruben Report. DeFOO and Cultism Discussed.
Post by: The Observer on November 09, 2017, 03:44:48 PM
Dave just damaged the credibility of his own platform by allowing Molyneux on.  It's shame he doesn't recognize this.

I laughed when Dave said (in part 2) at the 6:00 mark, "Are you troubled by it?  Because I don't know that I've gotten that exactly through your videos..."    ;D
Title: Re: Molyneux on Ruben Report. DeFOO and Cultism Discussed.
Post by: Megafauna on November 09, 2017, 04:12:27 PM
Kronos, you’re credulous. If you can watch a puff piece interview and find it to be irrefutable evidence of Stef’s credibility then there really isn’t anything to say. You’ve picked you’re YouTube philosopher and by god you’re sticking with him. Enjoy! I hope you climb out of his misanthropic pit in the future. A good start would be to start thinking critically about his content and claims, rather than swooning at his brilliance. But it doesn’t seem likely you’re ready to do that.
Title: Re: Molyneux on Ruben Report. DeFOO and Cultism Discussed.
Post by: summa logicae on November 09, 2017, 04:20:04 PM
That false outrage and sadness at IQ differences in part 2 is hilarious --" It's just unbelievably heartbreaking. "This is one of the most difficult facts I've ever had to absorb in my life." I'd give my left arm for it to just be racism." He's so sad and heartbroken about it that he's done numerous shows exclusively highlighting IQ differences.
Title: Re: Molyneux on Ruben Report. DeFOO and Cultism Discussed.
Post by: The Observer on November 09, 2017, 04:27:07 PM
Part 2 of that is going to be heavily criticized.  Wow.  Maybe the worst interview since he was on Rogan.
Title: Re: Molyneux on Ruben Report. DeFOO and Cultism Discussed.
Post by: money detonator on November 09, 2017, 04:52:32 PM
Let's not forget that for years, Molyneux claimed that the SOLE cause of irrationality, stupidity, and low IQ was child abuse and spanking ... which he received in abundance.

Oh ... and the whole defoo scam was sold as a method of reversing that damage.
Title: Re: Molyneux on Ruben Report. DeFOO and Cultism Discussed.
Post by: poopmeat on November 09, 2017, 10:45:41 PM
@Kronze21 Wrong. The FACT not the CLAIM is that there is a lot of NEED left unsatisfied. I will get into that more later. You are leaving out mountains of pertinent information here. You again make up numbers that we are all supposed to accept as gospel. Your making a bunch of assumptions and trying to present them to us as facts.

Title: Re: Molyneux on Ruben Report. DeFOO and Cultism Discussed.
Post by: JimJesus on November 10, 2017, 12:11:23 AM
Kronos, you’re credulous. If you can watch a puff piece interview and find it to be irrefutable evidence of Stef’s credibility then there really isn’t anything to say. You’ve picked you’re YouTube philosopher and by god you’re sticking with him. Enjoy! I hope you climb out of his misanthropic pit in the future. A good start would be to start thinking critically about his content and claims, rather than swooning at his brilliance. But it doesn’t seem likely you’re ready to do that.

All Molyneux fans are temporary.
Title: Re: Molyneux on Ruben Report. DeFOO and Cultism Discussed.
Post by: money detonator on November 12, 2017, 11:17:18 AM
Rubin often does his interviews live.  This one was not.  I wonder why.   ::)  I get the feeling this was not only recorded, but that the subjects discussed were prearranged so as to not to ever put Molyneux on the spot, like on Rogan's show, where he was caught with his pants down, and he fidgeted nervously and stammered as he lied his way through the interview.  He looks much more confident and rehearsed here in his lying.

After the Rogan show and getting served with the lawsuit, he stopped doing his own FDR shows Live, and I don't think I have seen him do anything else Live or made any preannounced live appearances.
Title: Re: Molyneux on Ruben Report. DeFOO and Cultism Discussed.
Post by: Kronze21 on November 16, 2017, 06:49:17 PM
Dave just damaged the credibility of his own platform by allowing Molyneux on.  It's shame he doesn't recognize this.

I laughed when Dave said (in part 2) at the 6:00 mark, "Are you troubled by it?  Because I don't know that I've gotten that exactly through your videos..."    ;D

Are you kidding me??  Even if Stef was bad news, how does it ruin Ruben's credibility?  You should have different types of people on your show so people can hear thoughts and arguments from different kinds of people.  For me if you stay in your own little eco-chamber that is when you lose credibility.
Title: Re: Molyneux on Ruben Report. DeFOO and Cultism Discussed.
Post by: Kronze21 on November 16, 2017, 06:51:42 PM
Kronos, you’re credulous. If you can watch a puff piece interview and find it to be irrefutable evidence of Stef’s credibility then there really isn’t anything to say. You’ve picked you’re YouTube philosopher and by god you’re sticking with him. Enjoy! I hope you climb out of his misanthropic pit in the future. A good start would be to start thinking critically about his content and claims, rather than swooning at his brilliance. But it doesn’t seem likely you’re ready to do that.

Bro I fact check the guy and I've watched both his old stuff and new stuff.  I don't understand the problem you guys have with him.  It's irrational as hell and seems to be all based on emotions.
Title: Re: Molyneux on Ruben Report. DeFOO and Cultism Discussed.
Post by: Kronze21 on November 16, 2017, 06:53:08 PM
That false outrage and sadness at IQ differences in part 2 is hilarious --" It's just unbelievably heartbreaking. "This is one of the most difficult facts I've ever had to absorb in my life." I'd give my left arm for it to just be racism." He's so sad and heartbroken about it that he's done numerous shows exclusively highlighting IQ differences.

Right because it's true, you don't stop telling the truth simply because some people like yourself find it offensive.
Title: Re: Molyneux on Ruben Report. DeFOO and Cultism Discussed.
Post by: js66 on November 16, 2017, 08:08:42 PM
Kronos, you’re credulous. If you can watch a puff piece interview and find it to be irrefutable evidence of Stef’s credibility then there really isn’t anything to say. You’ve picked you’re YouTube philosopher and by god you’re sticking with him. Enjoy! I hope you climb out of his misanthropic pit in the future. A good start would be to start thinking critically about his content and claims, rather than swooning at his brilliance. But it doesn’t seem likely you’re ready to do that.

Bro I fact check the guy and I've watched both his old stuff and new stuff.  I don't understand the problem you guys have with him.  It's irrational as hell and seems to be all based on emotions.


Is it all emotions ?

I find Stefan extremely emotional.

If he were just observing the world and telling it how it is about IQ.

Why isn't he discouraging low IQ whites from having kids, why isn't he encouraging asians to have more kids ?

Why doesn't he simply push for immigration based on IQ instead of race ?

He is taking advantage of the muhh white culture people for his own economical gain.


I don't deny IQ differences.
But any person who isn't completely autistic would recognize that you don't go from some races have lower average IQs to "muuh white culture" and turn semi religious.


I expect you to have some rationalization for everything I said.
I don't expect to change your mind, this is for others reading this thread.

Possible responses.
Brown people who have high IQ will eventually regress to the mean.
This is highly debatable if that were true then evolution wouldn't work as we expect it to.

Please go donate to Stefan and Save the West !
Don't waist your time here.

(Daddy needs another million)
Title: Re: Molyneux on Ruben Report. DeFOO and Cultism Discussed.
Post by: Megafauna on November 16, 2017, 08:20:54 PM
Kronos, you’re credulous. If you can watch a puff piece interview and find it to be irrefutable evidence of Stef’s credibility then there really isn’t anything to say. You’ve picked you’re YouTube philosopher and by god you’re sticking with him. Enjoy! I hope you climb out of his misanthropic pit in the future. A good start would be to start thinking critically about his content and claims, rather than swooning at his brilliance. But it doesn’t seem likely you’re ready to do that.

Bro I fact check the guy and I've watched both his old stuff and new stuff.  I don't understand the problem you guys have with him.  It's irrational as hell and seems to be all based on emotions.

If that's true then you have terrible fact checking abilities. Stef's narratives fall apart with the smallest amount of genuine critical review. The problem I have with Molyneux stem from the fact that he is a predatory ideologue peddling bipartisan nonsense on YouTube using cultish techniques. That is how Stef is recognized by the wider world, outside of his ideological pit.

Have you never felt there is something off that the world's most popular 'philosopher' spends his time posting political rants on YouTube or discussing issues with figures like Mike Cernovich and Ann Coulter?

The sad reality is that Stef isn't some towering intellectual giant, he is just a narcissistic pseudo-intellectual producing daily click bait rants on YouTube that pander to his audience's biases. I understand why people following him don't want to recognise such a reality, but it doesn't make it any less true.
Title: Re: Molyneux on Ruben Report. DeFOO and Cultism Discussed.
Post by: Kronze21 on November 16, 2017, 08:46:33 PM
Kronos, you’re credulous. If you can watch a puff piece interview and find it to be irrefutable evidence of Stef’s credibility then there really isn’t anything to say. You’ve picked you’re YouTube philosopher and by god you’re sticking with him. Enjoy! I hope you climb out of his misanthropic pit in the future. A good start would be to start thinking critically about his content and claims, rather than swooning at his brilliance. But it doesn’t seem likely you’re ready to do that.

Bro I fact check the guy and I've watched both his old stuff and new stuff.  I don't understand the problem you guys have with him.  It's irrational as hell and seems to be all based on emotions.


Is it all emotions ?

I find Stefan extremely emotional.

If he were just observing the world and telling it how it is about IQ.

Why isn't he discouraging low IQ whites from having kids, why isn't he encouraging asians to have more kids ?

Why doesn't he simply push for immigration based on IQ instead of race ?

He is taking advantage of the muhh white culture people for his own economical gain.


I don't deny IQ differences.
But any person who isn't completely autistic would recognize that you don't go from some races have lower average IQs to "muuh white culture" and turn semi religious.


I expect you to have some rationalization for everything I said.
I don't expect to change your mind, this is for others reading this thread.

Possible responses.
Brown people who have high IQ will eventually regress to the mean.
This is highly debatable if that were true then evolution wouldn't work as we expect it to.

Please go donate to Stefan and Save the West !
Don't waist your time here.

(Daddy needs another million)

You tell me.

What does Stef being emotional have to do with anything??

He's encouraging everyone who practices peaceful parenting to have kids because that leads to the best possible chance of having health minded children.  He's not discouraging low-iq parents of any race to not have kids.  He does say that peaceful parenting can lead to higher IQ's though

Stef doesn't push for immigration based on race.

No he's not, he doesn't endorse white separatism.

He's not religious, he simply states what Christianity has led to.  Basically western civilization.   This is simply a fact.  When does he talk about "muh white culture?".  Actually if you watch some of his videos he points out the fact that Asians parents are usually more peaceful than white parents. 

No I've actually really enjoyed this latest comment from you, it was good I must admit.  I'd love to continue.

When we are talking about a bell curve I think it has more to do with families than it does with that given race.  There could be a high IQ person in a given person's family but it will regress back to the mean.  I don't think race works like that.


LMAO that's funny, so you don't think many countries in Europe are having problems because of third world immigration??  I guess you're one of those people that deny no go zones??  Despite videos of people actually being inside them.  I have no problem with immigration hell I think immigration is a good thing.  However we need to be smarter when it comes to immigration.  Especially when countries have a welfare state.  Would you be so care free about it if this was happening in another continent oh wait it is, it's Africa.  You don't care about Muslims destroying Africa??  You don't think that's a problem??  I know Europeans don't matter to you but what about the Africans??  You don't think we should learn from their mistakes??  Honestly at this point it's not so much about a specific culture it's simply wanting to avoid Islamic culture.  Hell let's bring Asian culture over here or quality culture from South America or Africa. Let's bring them in.  Why Islam??  With all the destruction it causes.  At the very least why not have better vetting in Europe?? In terms of Islam America has done pretty well. Let's not end up like Europe or even worse Africa.  Is that so much to ask??? Or racist??
Title: Re: Molyneux on Ruben Report. DeFOO and Cultism Discussed.
Post by: Kronze21 on November 16, 2017, 09:06:08 PM
Kronos, you’re credulous. If you can watch a puff piece interview and find it to be irrefutable evidence of Stef’s credibility then there really isn’t anything to say. You’ve picked you’re YouTube philosopher and by god you’re sticking with him. Enjoy! I hope you climb out of his misanthropic pit in the future. A good start would be to start thinking critically about his content and claims, rather than swooning at his brilliance. But it doesn’t seem likely you’re ready to do that.

Bro I fact check the guy and I've watched both his old stuff and new stuff.  I don't understand the problem you guys have with him.  It's irrational as hell and seems to be all based on emotions.

If that's true then you have terrible fact checking abilities. Stef's narratives fall apart with the smallest amount of genuine critical review. The problem I have with Molyneux stem from the fact that he is a predatory ideologue peddling bipartisan nonsense on YouTube using cultish techniques. That is how Stef is recognized by the wider world, outside of his ideological pit.

Have you never felt there is something off that the world's most popular 'philosopher' spends his time posting political rants on YouTube or discussing issues with figures like Mike Cernovich and Ann Coulter?

The sad reality is that Stef isn't some towering intellectual giant, he is just a narcissistic pseudo-intellectual producing daily click bait rants on YouTube that pander to his audience's biases. I understand why people following him don't want to recognise such a reality, but it doesn't make it any less true.

You keep mumbling off a lot without actually saying much?  Why is my fact checking terrible?? Because I haven't come to your conclusion??  Oh yeah please give me an example of this critical analyses that makes Stef's arguments fall apart.

You may not like his techniques and some may think he's cultish but the only thing that matters is the truth.  Is what is he saying true??  I've heard others say they don't like his "spin". Okay that's fine but a spin is comply an opinion of the factual data.  Something no one here has been able to dispute.  He has not lied about the facts or data.  You just simply don't like the way he views the data.  I don't see how him having a different view then you makes him some awful guy.

No I doubt, I don't have a problem with people discussing topics with anyone.  Whether it's a communists, socialist, nazi, conservative, alt-right I don't care.  We should be discussing views and events with everyone.  No matter how radical they are or offensive they are too some.  Personally I have no problem with either of those two.  I wouldn't say i really admire them like I do with Stef but I have no major beef with them.

That's your opinion and just like Stef you have every right to have it.  Even if I completely disagree.  However unlike I'm not going to go around trying to make you seem like some evil narcissistic person simply because we have different views.  Even if you do slander Stef a little much.  For the record I could say the same thing to you.  You simply despise what Stef has to say because of your biases.

If you actually gave me some legitimate evidence to why Stef is such a bad guy I'd buy it. However you have done nothing of the sort.

Stef has got a whole group of people (people like you) watching and sharing his videos around the internet as he tells his listeners to do and you don't think Stef is some intellectual giant??  LMAO okay, you're doing exactly what he wants and you probably don't even realize it.
Title: Re: Molyneux on Ruben Report. DeFOO and Cultism Discussed.
Post by: js66 on November 16, 2017, 09:20:34 PM
Kronos, you’re credulous. If you can watch a puff piece interview and find it to be irrefutable evidence of Stef’s credibility then there really isn’t anything to say. You’ve picked you’re YouTube philosopher and by god you’re sticking with him. Enjoy! I hope you climb out of his misanthropic pit in the future. A good start would be to start thinking critically about his content and claims, rather than swooning at his brilliance. But it doesn’t seem likely you’re ready to do that.

Bro I fact check the guy and I've watched both his old stuff and new stuff.  I don't understand the problem you guys have with him.  It's irrational as hell and seems to be all based on emotions.


Is it all emotions ?

I find Stefan extremely emotional.

If he were just observing the world and telling it how it is about IQ.

Why isn't he discouraging low IQ whites from having kids, why isn't he encouraging asians to have more kids ?

Why doesn't he simply push for immigration based on IQ instead of race ?

He is taking advantage of the muhh white culture people for his own economical gain.


I don't deny IQ differences.
But any person who isn't completely autistic would recognize that you don't go from some races have lower average IQs to "muuh white culture" and turn semi religious.


I expect you to have some rationalization for everything I said.
I don't expect to change your mind, this is for others reading this thread.

Possible responses.
Brown people who have high IQ will eventually regress to the mean.
This is highly debatable if that were true then evolution wouldn't work as we expect it to.

Please go donate to Stefan and Save the West !
Don't waist your time here.

(Daddy needs another million)

You tell me.

What does Stef being emotional have to do with anything??

He's encouraging everyone who practices peaceful parenting to have kids because that leads to the best possible chance of having health minded children.  He's not discouraging low-iq parents of any race to not have kids.  He does say that peaceful parenting can lead to higher IQ's though

Stef doesn't push for immigration based on race.

No he's not, he doesn't endorse white separatism.

He's not religious, he simply states what Christianity has led to.  Basically western civilization.   This is simply a fact.  When does he talk about "muh white culture?".  Actually if you watch some of his videos he points out the fact that Asians parents are usually more peaceful than white parents. 

No I've actually really enjoyed this latest comment from you, it was good I must admit.  I'd love to continue.

When we are talking about a bell curve I think it has more to do with families than it does with that given race.  There could be a high IQ person in a given person's family but it will regress back to the mean.  I don't think race works like that.


LMAO that's funny, so you don't think many countries in Europe are having problems because of third world immigration??  I guess you're one of those people that deny no go zones??  Despite videos of people actually being inside them.  I have no problem with immigration hell I think immigration is a good thing.  However we need to be smarter when it comes to immigration.  Especially when countries have a welfare state.  Would you be so care free about it if this was happening in another continent oh wait it is, it's Africa.  You don't care about Muslims destroying Africa??  You don't think that's a problem??  I know Europeans don't matter to you but what about the Africans??  You don't think we should learn from their mistakes??  Honestly at this point it's not so much about a specific culture it's simply wanting to avoid Islamic culture.  Hell let's bring Asian culture over here or quality culture from South America or Africa. Let's bring them in.  Why Islam??  With all the destruction it causes.  At the very least why not have better vetting in Europe?? In terms of Islam America has done pretty well. Let's not end up like Europe or even worse Africa.  Is that so much to ask??? Or racist??


You truley are ignorant.

He is not religious but he constantly praises christians and cries.
Now a big chunk of his listners go to church.

He has said that spanking does lower iq but he also has said that spanking a high iq child will give you a good piano player but spanking a low iq (black) child will give you a predator.
He says a lot of things. Pick whatever makes you feel good.

People like you will deny that stefan is dog whisling.
https://youtu.be/XOi5D9YcKOI
You say he is not racist but he pretty much has all the racist talking points.
His listners are racist because they ummm understand the meaning and are not autistic like you.
Racist wont admit it they always have a reason.
Science truth evidence.

Your right stefan doesnt out right say I want immigration by race.
But he implies it and  covers his ass by saying some bs before he makes a statement so people like you can feel good about supporing him.

Keep drinking the cool aid !
And donate fdr slash donate. The west needs you.
Title: Re: Molyneux on Ruben Report. DeFOO and Cultism Discussed.
Post by: Kronze21 on November 16, 2017, 09:40:24 PM
Kronos, you’re credulous. If you can watch a puff piece interview and find it to be irrefutable evidence of Stef’s credibility then there really isn’t anything to say. You’ve picked you’re YouTube philosopher and by god you’re sticking with him. Enjoy! I hope you climb out of his misanthropic pit in the future. A good start would be to start thinking critically about his content and claims, rather than swooning at his brilliance. But it doesn’t seem likely you’re ready to do that.

Bro I fact check the guy and I've watched both his old stuff and new stuff.  I don't understand the problem you guys have with him.  It's irrational as hell and seems to be all based on emotions.


Is it all emotions ?

I find Stefan extremely emotional.

If he were just observing the world and telling it how it is about IQ.

Why isn't he discouraging low IQ whites from having kids, why isn't he encouraging asians to have more kids ?

Why doesn't he simply push for immigration based on IQ instead of race ?

He is taking advantage of the muhh white culture people for his own economical gain.


I don't deny IQ differences.
But any person who isn't completely autistic would recognize that you don't go from some races have lower average IQs to "muuh white culture" and turn semi religious.


I expect you to have some rationalization for everything I said.
I don't expect to change your mind, this is for others reading this thread.

Possible responses.
Brown people who have high IQ will eventually regress to the mean.
This is highly debatable if that were true then evolution wouldn't work as we expect it to.

Please go donate to Stefan and Save the West !
Don't waist your time here.

(Daddy needs another million)

You tell me.

What does Stef being emotional have to do with anything??

He's encouraging everyone who practices peaceful parenting to have kids because that leads to the best possible chance of having health minded children.  He's not discouraging low-iq parents of any race to not have kids.  He does say that peaceful parenting can lead to higher IQ's though

Stef doesn't push for immigration based on race.

No he's not, he doesn't endorse white separatism.

He's not religious, he simply states what Christianity has led to.  Basically western civilization.   This is simply a fact.  When does he talk about "muh white culture?".  Actually if you watch some of his videos he points out the fact that Asians parents are usually more peaceful than white parents. 

No I've actually really enjoyed this latest comment from you, it was good I must admit.  I'd love to continue.

When we are talking about a bell curve I think it has more to do with families than it does with that given race.  There could be a high IQ person in a given person's family but it will regress back to the mean.  I don't think race works like that.


LMAO that's funny, so you don't think many countries in Europe are having problems because of third world immigration??  I guess you're one of those people that deny no go zones??  Despite videos of people actually being inside them.  I have no problem with immigration hell I think immigration is a good thing.  However we need to be smarter when it comes to immigration.  Especially when countries have a welfare state.  Would you be so care free about it if this was happening in another continent oh wait it is, it's Africa.  You don't care about Muslims destroying Africa??  You don't think that's a problem??  I know Europeans don't matter to you but what about the Africans??  You don't think we should learn from their mistakes??  Honestly at this point it's not so much about a specific culture it's simply wanting to avoid Islamic culture.  Hell let's bring Asian culture over here or quality culture from South America or Africa. Let's bring them in.  Why Islam??  With all the destruction it causes.  At the very least why not have better vetting in Europe?? In terms of Islam America has done pretty well. Let's not end up like Europe or even worse Africa.  Is that so much to ask??? Or racist??


You truley are ignorant.

He is not religious but he constantly praises christians and cries.
Now a big chunk of his listners go to church.

He has said that spanking does lower iq but he also has said that spanking a high iq child will give you a good piano player but spanking a low iq (black) child will give you a predator.
He says a lot of things. Pick whatever makes you feel good.

People like you will deny that stefan is dog whisling.
https://youtu.be/XOi5D9YcKOI
You say he is not racist but he pretty much has all the racist talking points.
His listners are racist because they ummm understand the meaning and are not autistic like you.
Racist wont admit it they always have a reason.
Science truth evidence.

Your right stefan doesnt out right say I want immigration by race.
But he implies it and  covers his ass by saying some bs before he makes a statement so people like you can feel good about supporing him.

Keep drinking the cool aid !
And donate fdr slash donate. The west needs you.

LMAO thank you sugar tits, you're ignorant too.

What is wrong with praising Christianity??   My goodness dude.

Actually a better way to look at it is Not spanking a child won't lower their IQ more.  However that doesn't mean their natural IQ level is going to be high.  Also the whole spanking in terms of a black child is when he was talking about the warrior gene.

LMAO oh stop it with the dog whistles.  Either someone is racist or they aren't.  Don't throw well he's dog whistling at me.  Give me a break man.

If it's true is it racist?? It may be racial but it's not racist.  You basically just admitted that it doesn't matter if something is true to you if it's something a racist would say.  Basically you're admitting facts don't matter to you.  Only feeling good because you don't believe the racist.

I've already watched that video and posted on it as well.  The username I used was Samachi.  That is one of the most ridiculous anti-stef videos I've ever seen.  He even at one point said it would be better if everyone turned Japanese.  Damn the white nationalism is off the charts there LMAO
Title: Re: Molyneux on Ruben Report. DeFOO and Cultism Discussed.
Post by: js66 on November 16, 2017, 09:53:29 PM
> LMAO oh stop it with the dog whistles.  Either someone is racist or they aren't.  Don't throw well he's dog whistling at me.  Give me a break man.


You truly are a Stefan listener.

You can't prove if someone is racist.

Stefan can't be racist because he is Canadian, so he uses dog whistles.
I can't prove it of course but anyone that is not a red pilled idiot will look at his videos and see what Stefan is doing.

If he wasn't dog whistling then why are his followers racist now ?
Why are they having kids and going to church ?
After all a couple years ago they didn't like kids because the world was bad and religion is fake.

He is milking your insecurity for money $$$.

> He even at one point said it would be better if everyone turned Japanese.  Damn the white nationalism is off the charts there LMAO

Are you retarded ?
Go outside and ask people If that is racist.


I doubt you are part of the master race you would be the first to die.
Remember that Australians, Italians, Scotts ... are white niggers.
Please do us a favor and go kill yourself.
Title: Re: Molyneux on Ruben Report. DeFOO and Cultism Discussed.
Post by: Kronze21 on November 16, 2017, 10:11:16 PM
> LMAO oh stop it with the dog whistles.  Either someone is racist or they aren't.  Don't throw well he's dog whistling at me.  Give me a break man.


You truly are a Stefan listener.

You can't prove if someone is racist.

Stefan can't be racist because he is Canadian, so he uses dog whistles.
I can't prove it of course but anyone that is not a red pilled idiot will look at his videos and see what Stefan is doing.

If he wasn't dog whistling then why are his followers racist now ?
Why are they having kids and going to church ?
After all a couple years ago they didn't like kids because the world was bad and religion is fake.

He is milking your insecurity for money $$$.

> He even at one point said it would be better if everyone turned Japanese.  Damn the white nationalism is off the charts there LMAO

Are you retarded ?
Go outside and ask people If that is racist.


I doubt you are part of the master race you would be the first to die.
Remember that Australians, Italians, Scotts ... are white niggers.
Please do us a favor and go kill yourself.

Thank you!! : )

How the hell not??  If someone says well that group of people are all scum.  They are racist.  It's pretty simple.

LMAO so basically what you are saying is you don't want to see the truth.  You want to live in your little fantasy world where everyone is the same AKA the blue pill.  Hey just like in the movie the matrix many people did make that decision.  I guess it's easier that way than facing reality.

LMAO all his followers are racist??  They are all having kids and  going to church.  I can attest I am doing none of that.

LMAO insecurities?? Please do elaborate I'd love to hear all about these insecurities you claim I have.

I didn't say it wasn't racist.  You said he was a white nationalist.  A white nationalists would never say it would be better to be Japanese.


What does that have to do with anything.  The first to die from what??

LMAO I don't believe in a master race, just different ones with their own unique pros and cons on average. However if there is a master race that race would be the Jewish race so yes I'm not a part of the master race because white people or even Aryans are not the master race not even close if you want to play the master race game. 
Title: Re: Molyneux on Ruben Report. DeFOO and Cultism Discussed.
Post by: js66 on November 16, 2017, 10:17:08 PM
Quote
I didn't say it wasn't racist.  You said he was a white nationalist.  A white nationalists would never say it would be better to be Japanese.


Are you this autistic ?
He can say that to make a point.
Openly White Nationalist racist people praise Japan constantly and use them as an example.

Only you know your insecurities. A high IQ person wouldn't be trolling forums.
A high IQ person won't be threatened by immigrants, they would probably benefit from it.
Only someone like you would be threatened.




Title: Re: Molyneux on Ruben Report. DeFOO and Cultism Discussed.
Post by: summa logicae on November 17, 2017, 12:34:48 AM
That false outrage and sadness at IQ differences in part 2 is hilarious --" It's just unbelievably heartbreaking. "This is one of the most difficult facts I've ever had to absorb in my life." I'd give my left arm for it to just be racism." He's so sad and heartbroken about it that he's done numerous shows exclusively highlighting IQ differences.

Right because it's true, you don't stop telling the truth simply because some people like yourself find it offensive.

I'm not offended by truth. In fact, I study philosophy in order that I might seek it better. Molyneux, however, is the last person I would trust to present the truth, just below politicians, lawyers, and used car salesmen.
Title: Re: Molyneux on Ruben Report. DeFOO and Cultism Discussed.
Post by: Megafauna on November 17, 2017, 08:54:39 AM
You keep mumbling off a lot without actually saying much?  Why is my fact checking terrible?? Because I haven't come to your conclusion??  Oh yeah please give me an example of this critical analyses that makes Stef's arguments fall apart.

Is your first sentence a question or a statement? Wait, never mind...

As to how I know your fact checking is terrible, that's because a) you've demonstrated it repeatedly in your short time on the board and b) almost every video Stef makes is littered with errors and misrepresentations, that basic critical fact checking will reveal.

You may not like his techniques and some may think he's cultish but the only thing that matters is the truth.  Is what is he saying true??  I've heard others say they don't like his "spin". Okay that's fine but a spin is comply an opinion of the factual data.

Kronze, you know how your hero sometimes goes off on people with bad grammar? Wait, never mind...

Someone providing a 'spin' is not a compilation of factual data, that word is typically reserved for people who are misrepresenting or twisting the truth for some political ideological/purpose.

Something no one here has been able to dispute.  He has not lied about the facts or data.  You just simply don't like the way he views the data.  I don't see how him having a different view then you makes him some awful guy.

He has lied about 'facts and data' repeatedly. There are tonnes of threads going back years on the forum detailing such lies. He barely does any independent research on the topics he talks about, he just lifts stuff from various partisan sources and puts them in graphs. I doubt Stefan has read even 1% of the reports that he cites his figures from.

That's your opinion and just like Stef you have every right to have it.  Even if I completely disagree.  However unlike I'm not going to go around trying to make you seem like some evil narcissistic person simply because we have different views.  Even if you do slander Stef a little much.  For the record I could say the same thing to you.  You simply despise what Stef has to say because of your biases.

Stef doesn't need me to make him seem like an insecure narcissist, it is self evident to anyone who watches his content critically. And yes, I do dislike Stef for what he says, because most of what he says is manipulative bipartisan nonsense and I am biased against that.

If you actually gave me some legitimate evidence to why Stef is such a bad guy I'd buy it. However you have done nothing of the sort.

Kronze, your posts make it clear that you are still so far deep down the Moly rabbit hole that there is nothing that anyone can say or show you that would make you change your mind. Moreover, it's not up to me to do your research for you. If you aren't willing or capable of doing your own critical independent research and identifying the problem with Molyneux's narrative, that is your problem- not mine. I feel sorry for you for buying into the personality cult of some random YouTube ideologue but I've no great desire to change your mind. You likely will do so, some years from now after you grow up.

Stef has got a whole group of people (people like you) watching and sharing his videos around the internet as he tells his listeners to do and you don't think Stef is some intellectual giant??

No I don't. Just like I don't think Paris Hilton's popularity is evidence that she is an intellectual with important things to say. Stef is a mildly successful YouTube ideologue, milking disenfranchised young males, the alt-right curious, and the Trump train demographics for all they are worth. And as for whether Stef enjoys being critiqued, I don't think so. He has displayed an incredibly thin skin when it comes to criticism and on sites he controls seeks to censor or dismiss pretty much any criticism that he can.

In regards to me personally- I've never been a follower of Stefan. I came across him and his drivel after a friend fell down his rabbit hole and started sharing. I have a professional interest in religious psychology and extremism, and a personal interest in critical thinking and skepticism, so his schtick proved interesting. And while I agree that Stef should be exposed and opposed, I also think he represents nothing more than a new bottling of some very old bad ideas. He is a snake oil salesman preying on vulnerable (mostly young) disenfranchised people. That's what makes communities like this one so important, as they demonstrate that there is always still hope for his followers and that those with doubts are not alone.
Title: Re: Molyneux on Ruben Report. DeFOO and Cultism Discussed.
Post by: Kronze21 on June 30, 2018, 04:01:10 AM
The constant straw manning and unoriginality   is it marvelous.

Yes they praise Japan the country for maintaining their racial demographics.  They dont wish  to be Jappanse  or think they'd be better of that way.

A high IQ person can do many things, including "trolling" forums.  As for insecurities you're clearly projecting your insecurities onto me.

When did I say I was thretended  by all immigrants??  Jump to conclusions much??  I have benefited from immigrants my gf is an immigrant.

Quote
I didn't say it wasn't racist.  You said he was a white nationalist.  A white nationalists would never say it would be better to be Japanese.


Are you this autistic ?
He can say that to make a point.
Openly White Nationalist racist people praise Japan constantly and use them as an example.

Only you know your insecurities. A high IQ person wouldn't be trolling forums.
A high IQ person won't be threatened by immigrants, they would probably benefit from it.
Only someone like you would be threatened.
Title: Re: Molyneux on Ruben Report. DeFOO and Cultism Discussed.
Post by: Kronze21 on June 30, 2018, 04:03:44 AM
Well then you've been sold a lot lies about Stef.        Also of course someone who is afraid of the truth isn't going to admit it.  That would be the truth and like I said youre afraid of it.

That false outrage and sadness at IQ differences in part 2 is hilarious --" It's just unbelievably heartbreaking. "This is one of the most difficult facts I've ever had to absorb in my life." I'd give my left arm for it to just be racism." He's so sad and heartbroken about it that he's done numerous shows exclusively highlighting IQ differences.

Right because it's true, you don't stop telling the truth simply because some people like yourself find it offensive.

I'm not offended by truth. In fact, I study philosophy in order that I might seek it better. Molyneux, however, is the last person I would trust to present the truth, just below politicians, lawyers, and used car salesmen.
Title: Re: Molyneux on Ruben Report. DeFOO and Cultism Discussed.
Post by: Kronze21 on June 30, 2018, 04:28:49 AM
I fact check, you feel check.

Nope its just told complex  for you to understand.

You care too much about presentation not enough about substance.

That's why I put it in quotes.  Of course anyone you don't agree with is just putting a "spin" on it.

Everyone makes some mistakes and I've noticed from you stef  haters you call things false that really arent false so forgive me if I don't make you at your word with everything that you say.  You people put your own negative spin on what Stef is about.  Its slander and propaganda against Stef nothing more.

The people who sound like insecure narcissists are the anti Stef people like you.

Yes and you're so far down the anti Stef rabbit hole the same can be said about you.  The fact of the matter is Stef is right.  Get the heel over it and move on.  Stop being such a baby.  You're the one that needs to grow up.  I've clearly done far more research on the topic than you have.

Paris Hilton is a reality the star.  They're popular for being trashy and trendy not smart.  Its not a fair comparssion.


Oh yeah because you're so good with dealing with cristism huh??  You Stef haters in general are some of the most insulting  people I've ever meet when dealing with people who disagree with you.  Thats  fine doesn't bother me but to pretend you're above it all.  Also why do you make all these assumptions about his supporters.  Do you personally even know any of them??  I doubt it.

Oh yeah milking people from a show that is absolutely free.😂😂😂😂

Disenfranchised, why do you keep using that term??  Do you have any facts to back that up and if not whyndo you feel the way you do about his supporters.  Why does something have to be wrong with someone or their life to believe in facts and reality over feels??

Okay well then it will be important for me to point out and expose how full of crap  people like you truly are.  BTW does your friend still like Stef??  Also what is extreme about Stef??  What he talks about is just normal stuff not extreme.  Id argue its extreme  to call facts and reality that Stef talks about as bad ideas or wrong.



You keep mumbling off a lot without actually saying much?  Why is my fact checking terrible?? Because I haven't come to your conclusion??  Oh yeah please give me an example of this critical analyses that makes Stef's arguments fall apart.

Is your first sentence a question or a statement? Wait, never mind...

As to how I know your fact checking is terrible, that's because a) you've demonstrated it repeatedly in your short time on the board and b) almost every video Stef makes is littered with errors and misrepresentations, that basic critical fact checking will reveal.

You may not like his techniques and some may think he's cultish but the only thing that matters is the truth.  Is what is he saying true??  I've heard others say they don't like his "spin". Okay that's fine but a spin is comply an opinion of the factual data.

Kronze, you know how your hero sometimes goes off on people with bad grammar? Wait, never mind...

Someone providing a 'spin' is not a compilation of factual data, that word is typically reserved for people who are misrepresenting or twisting the truth for some political ideological/purpose.

Something no one here has been able to dispute.  He has not lied about the facts or data.  You just simply don't like the way he views the data.  I don't see how him having a different view then you makes him some awful guy.

He has lied about 'facts and data' repeatedly. There are tonnes of threads going back years on the forum detailing such lies. He barely does any independent research on the topics he talks about, he just lifts stuff from various partisan sources and puts them in graphs. I doubt Stefan has read even 1% of the reports that he cites his figures from.

That's your opinion and just like Stef you have every right to have it.  Even if I completely disagree.  However unlike I'm not going to go around trying to make you seem like some evil narcissistic person simply because we have different views.  Even if you do slander Stef a little much.  For the record I could say the same thing to you.  You simply despise what Stef has to say because of your biases.

Stef doesn't need me to make him seem like an insecure narcissist, it is self evident to anyone who watches his content critically. And yes, I do dislike Stef for what he says, because most of what he says is manipulative bipartisan nonsense and I am biased against that.

If you actually gave me some legitimate evidence to why Stef is such a bad guy I'd buy it. However you have done nothing of the sort.

Kronze, your posts make it clear that you are still so far deep down the Moly rabbit hole that there is nothing that anyone can say or show you that would make you change your mind. Moreover, it's not up to me to do your research for you. If you aren't willing or capable of doing your own critical independent research and identifying the problem with Molyneux's narrative, that is your problem- not mine. I feel sorry for you for buying into the personality cult of some random YouTube ideologue but I've no great desire to change your mind. You likely will do so, some years from now after you grow up.

Stef has got a whole group of people (people like you) watching and sharing his videos around the internet as he tells his listeners to do and you don't think Stef is some intellectual giant??

No I don't. Just like I don't think Paris Hilton's popularity is evidence that she is an intellectual with important things to say. Stef is a mildly successful YouTube ideologue, milking disenfranchised young males, the alt-right curious, and the Trump train demographics for all they are worth. And as for whether Stef enjoys being critiqued, I don't think so. He has displayed an incredibly thin skin when it comes to criticism and on sites he controls seeks to censor or dismiss pretty much any criticism that he can.

In regards to me personally- I've never been a follower of Stefan. I came across him and his drivel after a friend fell down his rabbit hole and started sharing. I have a professional interest in religious psychology and extremism, and a personal interest in critical thinking and skepticism, so his schtick proved interesting. And while I agree that Stef should be exposed and opposed, I also think he represents nothing more than a new bottling of some very old bad ideas. He is a snake oil salesman preying on vulnerable (mostly young) disenfranchised people. That's what makes communities like this one so important, as they demonstrate that there is always still hope for his followers and that those with doubts are not alone.
Title: Re: Molyneux on Ruben Report. DeFOO and Cultism Discussed.
Post by: Lupus on June 30, 2018, 10:56:59 PM
I fact check, you feel check.

Not an argument.

Nope its just told complex  for you to understand.

Not an argument.

You care too much about presentation not enough about substance.

Not an argument.

That's why I put it in quotes.  Of course anyone you don't agree with is just putting a "spin" on it.

Not an argument.

You people put your own negative spin on what Stef is about.  Its slander and propaganda against Stef nothing more.

Not an argument.

The people who sound like insecure narcissists are the anti Stef people like you.

Not an argument.

The fact of the matter is Stef is right.

Not an argument.

Oh yeah milking people from a show that is absolutely free.😂😂😂😂


Molyneux: "remember the show is not free, repeat after me, the show is not free" (FDR 3683)

Molyneux: "help out the show, nothing is for free, don't be a freeloader, free rider" (Women unhappier than men / Youtube)

Molyneux: "if you're consuming this show without contributing financially to it, you are a free rider" (250,000 Subscribers! / Youtube)

Molyneux: "There is no such thing as free, and everyone who tries to tell you there is something you can get for free is giving you the drug called delusion in order to enslave you" (The Truth About Bernie Sanders / Youtube)

Molyneux: "I have to keep pointing out the people, no such thing as free, there's no such thing as free" (FDR 3051)

Molyneux: ['my show'] "you’ve got to pay for it" (FDR 3143)

Molyneux: "if you listen to the show you should damn well donate, otherwise you’re a free rider" (FDR 3264)

Molyneux: "If you are consuming these resources, you know they’re not free" (100,000,000+ / YouTube)


Title: Re: Molyneux on Ruben Report. DeFOO and Cultism Discussed.
Post by: Kronze21 on July 01, 2018, 12:08:00 AM
Ironically neither is stating something isn't an argument.  I've always wanted to say that to step.

Stef tends to say things for effect.  Its Cleary free whether he wants to admit it or not.  Anyways you can't be a free loader if its not free .


I fact check, you feel check.

Not an argument.

Nope its just told complex  for you to understand.

Not an argument.

You care too much about presentation not enough about substance.

Not an argument.

That's why I put it in quotes.  Of course anyone you don't agree with is just putting a "spin" on it.

Not an argument.

You people put your own negative spin on what Stef is about.  Its slander and propaganda against Stef nothing more.

Not an argument.

The people who sound like insecure narcissists are the anti Stef people like you.

Not an argument.

The fact of the matter is Stef is right.

Not an argument.

Oh yeah milking people from a show that is absolutely free.😂😂😂😂


Molyneux: "remember the show is not free, repeat after me, the show is not free" (FDR 3683)

Molyneux: "help out the show, nothing is for free, don't be a freeloader, free rider" (Women unhappier than men / Youtube)

Molyneux: "if you're consuming this show without contributing financially to it, you are a free rider" (250,000 Subscribers! / Youtube)

Molyneux: "There is no such thing as free, and everyone who tries to tell you there is something you can get for free is giving you the drug called delusion in order to enslave you" (The Truth About Bernie Sanders / Youtube)

Molyneux: "I have to keep pointing out the people, no such thing as free, there's no such thing as free" (FDR 3051)

Molyneux: ['my show'] "you’ve got to pay for it" (FDR 3143)

Molyneux: "if you listen to the show you should damn well donate, otherwise you’re a free rider" (FDR 3264)

Molyneux: "If you are consuming these resources, you know they’re not free" (100,000,000+ / YouTube)
Title: Re: Molyneux on Ruben Report. DeFOO and Cultism Discussed.
Post by: Lupus on July 01, 2018, 01:21:02 AM
Ironically neither is stating something isn't an argument.  I've always wanted to say that to step.

Obviously.

Stef tends to say things for effect.  Its Cleary free whether he wants to admit it or not.  Anyways you can't be a free loader if its not free .

You are confusing things that are free (there is no attached charge) and things that are freely available or accessible (but come with a cost).

A good example might be those newspaper stands where you open the little glass door, help yourself to a paper, but are expected to put 50p (or whatever) into the coin slot or receptacle, we used to have these in London, the paper was not free, it cost 50p, but there was nothing to stop you taking the paper without paying as it was freely accessible . . . the same is true of various European public transport systems, you can enter and use the system (buses / tubes) and are expected to pay, but the payment is often unenforced (or unenforceable) . . . we also have a bicycle hire schemes here in London, same deal, help yourself to a bicycle, cycle around and then pay through various methods, but again it's trivial to not pay and walk off . . . . these honour systems mostly work, and where they don't work they die off.

Molyneux's material is not free, he clearly states it's not free, he really couldn't be clearer on this, in fact he goes further and says of people like yourself are attempting to 'delude people in order to enslave them' by saying his output is free. He wants paying for it, he expects (at least) ¢50 a show for every view (of course he doesn't get this) - he may have set up shop on a freely accessible platform (Youtube), but in his opinion this isn't to be confused with his material being free to consume.
Title: Re: Molyneux on Ruben Report. DeFOO and Cultism Discussed.
Post by: money detonator on July 04, 2018, 06:05:30 PM
Dave just damaged the credibility of his own platform by allowing Molyneux on.  It's shame he doesn't recognize this.

I laughed when Dave said (in part 2) at the 6:00 mark, "Are you troubled by it?  Because I don't know that I've gotten that exactly through your videos..."    ;D


I knew about Rubin splitting off from TYT, and re-branding himself as a "classic liberal"/ reformed Leftist, but wow... 

https://youtu.be/Rgx9PKr0i-U (https://youtu.be/Rgx9PKr0i-U)

http://youtu.be/Rgx9PKr0i-U (http://youtu.be/Rgx9PKr0i-U)
Title: Re: Molyneux on Ruben Report. DeFOO and Cultism Discussed.
Post by: The Observer on July 04, 2018, 07:12:13 PM
Dave just damaged the credibility of his own platform by allowing Molyneux on.  It's shame he doesn't recognize this.

I laughed when Dave said (in part 2) at the 6:00 mark, "Are you troubled by it?  Because I don't know that I've gotten that exactly through your videos..."    ;D


I knew about Rubin splitting off from TYT, and re-branding himself as a "classic liberal"/ reformed Leftist, but wow... 

[url]https://youtu.be/Rgx9PKr0i-U[/url] ([url]https://youtu.be/Rgx9PKr0i-U[/url])

[url]http://youtu.be/Rgx9PKr0i-U[/url] ([url]http://youtu.be/Rgx9PKr0i-U[/url])


I like Dave, and I thought he was a lot more genuine than most people. Perhaps I am wrong and he is just acting the role.  I have no way to know.  I think he's a bit more naive about some of his guests than some of the others in his position.  Is Rubin really funded by the Koch brothers??  Aye yai yai if that's true.

Jordan Peterson and many others have both talked about the importance of having conversations with people that most would see as racists, in that it could help change their view.  I see their point, and think I agree.  I used to be of the camp that it's better just to not give them a platform to speak, but I think that might just make things worse if we try to cover it up.  Shine the light and roaches scatter, as they say.

I put out my last video a few weeks ago (a comparison of Peterson and Molyneux).  I touched on most of the things that have bothered me about Molyneux.  I'm considering deleting a lot of my older videos, since someone pointed out recently that what I was doing looked like I was picking on him.  I think they had a point in that I don't need to have 20+ videos about the guy, when the last video I did sums up most of the points of all my videos. 

I got really tired of him:

-bullying his guests who were seeking his help
-complaining about entitlements while he is one of the most entitled, free-riders on the internet
-his resentments towards academia and the publishers for not accepting his mediocre work
-his laziness of not improving his ideas and pretending they are fine the way they are
-and his refusal to accept that criticism from people that were only trying to help.  He thinks he's Tom Leykis if he ignores criticism.  ;D
Title: Re: Molyneux on Ruben Report. DeFOO and Cultism Discussed.
Post by: money detonator on July 04, 2018, 08:19:21 PM
I put out my last video a few weeks ago (a comparison of Peterson and Molyneux).  I touched on most of the things that have bothered me about Molyneux.  I'm considering deleting a lot of my older videos, since someone pointed out recently that what I was doing looked like I was picking on him.  I think they had a point in that I don't need to have 20+ videos about the guy, when the last video I did sums up most of the points of all my videos. 

I have a suggestion/ request, that instead of deleting your videos, just make them unlisted.  That way, existing embedding and links won't get broken. 
Title: Re: Molyneux on Ruben Report. DeFOO and Cultism Discussed.
Post by: Kronze21 on July 14, 2018, 08:47:32 PM
Incorrect, if nothing can happen to you if you don't pay then its free

Ironically neither is stating something isn't an argument.  I've always wanted to say that to step.

Obviously.

Stef tends to say things for effect.  Its Cleary free whether he wants to admit it or not.  Anyways you can't be a free loader if its not free .

You are confusing things that are free (there is no attached charge) and things that are freely available or accessible (but come with a cost).

A good example might be those newspaper stands where you open the little glass door, help yourself to a paper, but are expected to put 50p (or whatever) into the coin slot or receptacle, we used to have these in London, the paper was not free, it cost 50p, but there was nothing to stop you taking the paper without paying as it was freely accessible . . . the same is true of various European public transport systems, you can enter and use the system (buses / tubes) and are expected to pay, but the payment is often unenforced (or unenforceable) . . . we also have a bicycle hire schemes here in London, same deal, help yourself to a bicycle, cycle around and then pay through various methods, but again it's trivial to not pay and walk off . . . . these honour systems mostly work, and where they don't work they die off.

Molyneux's material is not free, he clearly states it's not free, he really couldn't be clearer on this, in fact he goes further and says of people like yourself are attempting to 'delude people in order to enslave them' by saying his output is free. He wants paying for it, he expects (at least) ¢50 a show for every view (of course he doesn't get this) - he may have set up shop on a freely accessible platform (Youtube), but in his opinion this isn't to be confused with his material being free to consume.
Title: Re: Molyneux on Ruben Report. DeFOO and Cultism Discussed.
Post by: Kronze21 on July 14, 2018, 08:55:55 PM
Maybe its you that isn't genuine.  Did you ever think of that??  Maybe you're wrong about Stef.  BTW the kock  brothers are awesome so I hope so.

1.  I like that he criticizes  his guests and gives them tough love.

2. He gives out his stuff for free he's not free rider.  The people who don't donate to him are.  Which includes me.😂😂😂

3.no academia needs to be criticized because its turned into crap.

4.  They are fine, come up with an argument against his.  No one else has.

Dave just damaged the credibility of his own platform by allowing Molyneux on.  It's shame he doesn't recognize this.

I laughed when Dave said (in part 2) at the 6:00 mark, "Are you troubled by it?  Because I don't know that I've gotten that exactly through your videos..."    ;D


I knew about Rubin splitting off from TYT, and re-branding himself as a "classic liberal"/ reformed Leftist, but wow... 

[url]https://youtu.be/Rgx9PKr0i-U[/url] ([url]https://youtu.be/Rgx9PKr0i-U[/url])

[url]http://youtu.be/Rgx9PKr0i-U[/url] ([url]http://youtu.be/Rgx9PKr0i-U[/url])


I like Dave, and I thought he was a lot more genuine than most people. Perhaps I am wrong and he is just acting the role.  I have no way to know.  I think he's a bit more naive about some of his guests than some of the others in his position.  Is Rubin really funded by the Koch brothers??  Aye yai yai if that's true.

Jordan Peterson and many others have both talked about the importance of having conversations with people that most would see as racists, in that it could help change their view.  I see their point, and think I agree.  I used to be of the camp that it's better just to not give them a platform to speak, but I think that might just make things worse if we try to cover it up.  Shine the light and roaches scatter, as they say.

I put out my last video a few weeks ago (a comparison of Peterson and Molyneux).  I touched on most of the things that have bothered me about Molyneux.  I'm considering deleting a lot of my older videos, since someone pointed out recently that what I was doing looked like I was picking on him.  I think they had a point in that I don't need to have 20+ videos about the guy, when the last video I did sums up most of the points of all my videos. 

I got really tired of him:

-bullying his guests who were seeking his help
-complaining about entitlements while he is one of the most entitled, free-riders on the internet
-his resentments towards academia and the publishers for not accepting his mediocre work
-his laziness of not improving his ideas and pretending they are fine the way they are
-and his refusal to accept that criticism from people that were only trying to help.  He thinks he's Tom Leykis if he ignores criticism.  ;D
Title: Re: Molyneux on Ruben Report. DeFOO and Cultism Discussed.
Post by: Kronze21 on July 14, 2018, 08:58:53 PM



😂😂😂😂 its funny watching Ana get so triggered.  Man they are so butt hurt about Dave getting red pilled.

Dave just damaged the credibility of his own platform by allowing Molyneux on.  It's shame he doesn't recognize this.

I laughed when Dave said (in part 2) at the 6:00 mark, "Are you troubled by it?  Because I don't know that I've gotten that exactly through your videos..."    ;D


I knew about Rubin splitting off from TYT, and re-branding himself as a "classic liberal"/ reformed Leftist, but wow... 

[url]https://youtu.be/Rgx9PKr0i-U[/url] ([url]https://youtu.be/Rgx9PKr0i-U[/url])

[url]http://youtu.be/Rgx9PKr0i-U[/url] ([url]http://youtu.be/Rgx9PKr0i-U[/url])
Title: Re: Molyneux on Ruben Report. DeFOO and Cultism Discussed.
Post by: Lupus on July 14, 2018, 11:37:34 PM
2. He gives out his stuff for free . . .


Nope, you're wrong, his stuff is freely assessable, but he expects to be paid. Molyneux himself has repeatedly made the point that his stuff is not free.


Molyneux: "remember the show is not free, repeat after me, the show is not free" (FDR 3683)

Molyneux: "help out the show, nothing is for free, don't be a freeloader, free rider" (Women unhappier than men / Youtube)

Molyneux: "if you're consuming this show without contributing financially to it, you are a free rider" (250,000 Subscribers! / Youtube)

Molyneux: "There is no such thing as free, and everyone who tries to tell you there is something you can get for free is giving you the drug called delusion in order to enslave you" (The Truth About Bernie Sanders / Youtube)

Molyneux: "I have to keep pointing out the people, no such thing as free, there's no such thing as free" (FDR 3051)

Molyneux: ['my show'] "you’ve got to pay for it" (FDR 3143)

Molyneux: "if you listen to the show you should damn well donate, otherwise you’re a free rider" (FDR 3264)

 Molyneux: "If you are consuming these resources, you know they’re not free" (100,000,000+ / YouTube)


Again and again he makes the point that his show is not free, so how can you override that ? It's his show, he gets to define whether it's free or not, not you or me, and he emphatically and loudly and repeatedly - with no room for misunderstanding - states that his show is not free.

As I've said elsewhere you're confusing accessible and free, because there's no barrier to entry doesn't mean something is free - in various places if you want to fish or drive or watch TV (here in the UK) or many other things you need a licence, you need to pay for that licence, but there is nothing to stop you from engaging in any of these activities without a licence, of course there's a chance you could get caught (and there's a penality), but there is no barrier to entry, jump in your car, drive off to do your fishing, come home and watch the news on TV . . . there's nothing to prevent you from doing so . . . same deal with Molyneux's stuff, there is no barrier to entry you can access it all freely, but it's not free, he expects payment.

Title: Re: Molyneux on Ruben Report. DeFOO and Cultism Discussed.
Post by: Kronze21 on July 16, 2018, 01:44:24 AM
He would like people to so sure.  I'd like people to give me a million dollars.  Doesn't mean I'm going to stick a gun to someone's head till I get it.

Learn what an exaggeration is and stop taking everything so literally.

For the record I've never given him a cent.

2. He gives out his stuff for free . . .


Nope, you're wrong, his stuff is freely assessable, but he expects to be paid. Molyneux himself has repeatedly made the point that his stuff is not free.


Molyneux: "remember the show is not free, repeat after me, the show is not free" (FDR 3683)

Molyneux: "help out the show, nothing is for free, don't be a freeloader, free rider" (Women unhappier than men / Youtube)

Molyneux: "if you're consuming this show without contributing financially to it, you are a free rider" (250,000 Subscribers! / Youtube)

Molyneux: "There is no such thing as free, and everyone who tries to tell you there is something you can get for free is giving you the drug called delusion in order to enslave you" (The Truth About Bernie Sanders / Youtube)

Molyneux: "I have to keep pointing out the people, no such thing as free, there's no such thing as free" (FDR 3051)

Molyneux: ['my show'] "you’ve got to pay for it" (FDR 3143)

Molyneux: "if you listen to the show you should damn well donate, otherwise you’re a free rider" (FDR 3264)

 Molyneux: "If you are consuming these resources, you know they’re not free" (100,000,000+ / YouTube)


Again and again he makes the point that his show is not free, so how can you override that ? It's his show, he gets to define whether it's free or not, not you or me, and he emphatically and loudly and repeatedly - with no room for misunderstanding - states that his show is not free.

As I've said elsewhere you're confusing accessible and free, because there's no barrier to entry doesn't mean something is free - in various places if you want to fish or drive or watch TV (here in the UK) or many other things you need a licence, you need to pay for that licence, but there is nothing to stop you from engaging in any of these activities without a licence, of course there's a chance you could get caught (and there's a penality), but there is no barrier to entry, jump in your car, drive off to do your fishing, come home and watch the news on TV . . . there's nothing to prevent you from doing so . . . same deal with Molyneux's stuff, there is no barrier to entry you can access it all freely, but it's not free, he expects payment.
Title: Re: Molyneux on Ruben Report. DeFOO and Cultism Discussed.
Post by: Lupus on July 17, 2018, 08:09:34 AM
He would like people to so sure.  I'd like people to give me a million dollars.  Doesn't mean I'm going to stick a gun to someone's head till I get it.

Whether he'd like people to pay (like you say he would) - and whether you'd like people to give you a million dollars - and whether or not you'd use violence or coercion to get that million dollars . . . is all irrelevant to the point being made . . . .  that Molyneux's material is not 'free'.

Are you able to show me a single comment, a video clip, a Tweet, a podcast, a Facebook post, absolutely anything where Molyneux says (or even simply suggests) his views on this are the opposite to what he repeatedly states.

Learn what an exaggeration is and stop taking everything so literally.

So when Molyneux repeatedly states that his material is not free, he is exageratting ? He's really saying 'it's free' ?

In your own language . . . 'Prove it' . . . show me evidence that when Molyneux's says his material is not free, he in fact means it is free . . . as proof I'd be willing to accept whatever it is you yourself have seen that establishes this idea.

For the record I've never given him a cent.

Then in Molyneux's eyes you are a freeloader, a free rider, and you are giving people 'the drug called delusion in order to enslave [them]'  ;D
Title: Re: Molyneux on Ruben Report. DeFOO and Cultism Discussed.
Post by: Kronze21 on July 19, 2018, 11:57:24 PM
Its irreverent what he says.  The fact of the matter is you can listen to his stuff for free legally.

Yes hes saying its free but he wants you to pay.  The proof is me.  I dont pay and i listen to his stuff all the time.

Yep, but guess what im allowed to be a free loader.

He would like people to so sure.  I'd like people to give me a million dollars.  Doesn't mean I'm going to stick a gun to someone's head till I get it.

Whether he'd like people to pay (like you say he would) - and whether you'd like people to give you a million dollars - and whether or not you'd use violence or coercion to get that million dollars . . . is all irrelevant to the point being made . . . .  that Molyneux's material is not 'free'.

Are you able to show me a single comment, a video clip, a Tweet, a podcast, a Facebook post, absolutely anything where Molyneux says (or even simply suggests) his views on this are the opposite to what he repeatedly states.

Learn what an exaggeration is and stop taking everything so literally.

So when Molyneux repeatedly states that his material is not free, he is exageratting ? He's really saying 'it's free' ?

In your own language . . . 'Prove it' . . . show me evidence that when Molyneux's says his material is not free, he in fact means it is free . . . as proof I'd be willing to accept whatever it is you yourself have seen that establishes this idea.

For the record I've never given him a cent.

Then in Molyneux's eyes you are a freeloader, a free rider, and you are giving people 'the drug called delusion in order to enslave [them]'  ;D
Title: Re: Molyneux on Ruben Report. DeFOO and Cultism Discussed.
Post by: Excultmember90 on July 21, 2018, 04:11:49 AM
I like Dave, and I thought he was a lot more genuine than most people. Perhaps I am wrong and he is just acting the role.  I have no way to know.

I've talked to Dave personally for about 15 minutes.  He really did give off a genuine vibe, but by the same token, I think he can easily get walked over by more assertive people.  I also talk quickly and a lot of what I said seemed to stretch his ability to keep up, so I wouldn't doubt that a lot of things Stefan says goes by him without him noticing.

Nothing but good things to say about Dave though, genuinely good spirit coming from him.

Title: Re: Molyneux on Ruben Report. DeFOO and Cultism Discussed.
Post by: Lupus on July 21, 2018, 08:50:51 PM
I've talked to Dave personally for about 15 minutes.  He really did give off a genuine vibe, but by the same token, I think he can easily get walked over by more assertive people.  I also talk quickly and a lot of what I said seemed to stretch his ability to keep up, so I wouldn't doubt that a lot of things Stefan says goes by him without him noticing.

I also think he comes across as genuine and decent sort of person . . . but I can't help notice he's not the sharpest knife in the drawer, like I say he seems like a nice person, but the more I watch of Rubin the more he fades into the background, perhaps his problem is that his guests are usually professors, lecturers or even cognitive neuroscientists (basically intellectuals), and he's just not that sort of person . . . when the conversation really gets going between guests he essentially sits it out, and when he does add something to the conversation it tends to be a comment about the conversation itself (rather than the subject), about who he's interviewed, how well the IDW is doing, who knows who, who is touring and where, how all this stuff is great (and so on) and rarely - if ever - adds anything substantial to the conversation.
Title: Re: Molyneux on Ruben Report. DeFOO and Cultism Discussed.
Post by: Lupus on July 22, 2018, 03:55:53 AM
Its irreverent what he says.  The fact of the matter is you can listen to his stuff for free legally.

Yes, there's no contract, I expect Molyneux would argue from a moral standpoint rather than a legal one, but at the end of the day he doesn't know an awful lot about either so take your pick.

Yes hes saying its free but he wants you to pay.

No, he's clearly and repeatedly saying it's not free. I have provided numerous references where he unambiguously says his material is not free, whereas you've provided no references for your claim.
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The proof is me. I dont pay and i listen to his stuff all the time.

Molyneux has clearly fostered an audience of keenly astute logicians.  :D
Title: Re: Molyneux on Ruben Report. DeFOO and Cultism Discussed.
Post by: Kronze21 on July 28, 2018, 09:33:48 PM
Dave is a smart guy he knows what Steph says is true.  Even if it does offend some overly sensitive people.


I like Dave, and I thought he was a lot more genuine than most people. Perhaps I am wrong and he is just acting the role.  I have no way to know.

I've talked to Dave personally for about 15 minutes.  He really did give off a genuine vibe, but by the same token, I think he can easily get walked over by more assertive people.  I also talk quickly and a lot of what I said seemed to stretch his ability to keep up, so I wouldn't doubt that a lot of things Stefan says goes by him without him noticing.

Nothing but good things to say about Dave though, genuinely good spirit coming from him.
Title: Re: Molyneux on Ruben Report. DeFOO and Cultism Discussed.
Post by: Kronze21 on July 28, 2018, 09:36:00 PM
Dave is a smart guy.  He knows the interview is about the person being interviewed not him.  That's how a good interviewer rolls.

I've talked to Dave personally for about 15 minutes.  He really did give off a genuine vibe, but by the same token, I think he can easily get walked over by more assertive people.  I also talk quickly and a lot of what I said seemed to stretch his ability to keep up, so I wouldn't doubt that a lot of things Stefan says goes by him without him noticing.

I also think he comes across as genuine and decent sort of person . . . but I can't help notice he's not the sharpest knife in the drawer, like I say he seems like a nice person, but the more I watch of Rubin the more he fades into the background, perhaps his problem is that his guests are usually professors, lecturers or even cognitive neuroscientists (basically intellectuals), and he's just not that sort of person . . . when the conversation really gets going between guests he essentially sits it out, and when he does add something to the conversation it tends to be a comment about the conversation itself (rather than the subject), about who he's interviewed, how well the IDW is doing, who knows who, who is touring and where, how all this stuff is great (and so on) and rarely - if ever - adds anything substantial to the conversation.
Title: Re: Molyneux on Ruben Report. DeFOO and Cultism Discussed.
Post by: Kronze21 on July 28, 2018, 09:48:05 PM
He knows plenty about both and even if it is the morally right thing to donate to Steph that still doesnt mean its not free.  Its only not free when you are trading money for a good or service.  Thats not the case here

Its implied and like I said it doesnt matter hes clearly not charging a thing.  At this point you are clearly trolling or you dont understand what an over exaggeration is.

Im actually a debater not a logican but close I guess.

For the record people who dont like Stef are the ones who arent smart enough to understand him.  You're cleary one of those people, sad really.  SMH

Its irreverent what he says.  The fact of the matter is you can listen to his stuff for free legally.

Yes, there's no contract, I expect Molyneux would argue from a moral standpoint rather than a legal one, but at the end of the day he doesn't know an awful lot about either so take your pick.

Yes hes saying its free but he wants you to pay.

No, he's clearly and repeatedly saying it's not free. I have provided numerous references where he unambiguously says his material is not free, whereas you've provided no references for your claim.
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The proof is me. I dont pay and i listen to his stuff all the time.

Molyneux has clearly fostered an audience of keenly astute logicians.  :D
Title: Re: Molyneux on Ruben Report. DeFOO and Cultism Discussed.
Post by: Lupus on August 04, 2018, 07:23:20 AM
He knows plenty about both . . .

Molyneux has no training in either area.

. . .even if it is the morally right thing to donate to Steph that still doesnt mean its not free.

It's not free, the person who decides whether their product is free or not has said - repeatedly and unambiguously - it is not free.

Its implied and like I said it doesnt matter hes clearly not charging a thing.

Define 'charging' ?

The dictionary, and every other reasonable definition, defines 'charging' as demanding payment for goods or services . . . by definition Molynex is charging for his material.

For the record people who dont like Stef are the ones who arent smart enough to understand him.  You're cleary one of those people, sad really.  SMH

Lol.