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Thank You to Stefan!!!! (Cutting Ties With My Abusers)
« on: December 22, 2015, 02:43:35 PM »
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I have to thank Stefan for shaking me out of my stupor. I used to wrestle with the philosophy of freedom and how I fit in with it. But now I realize that that philosophy is a childish sham used to excuse white nationalism and some of the most abhorrent human excesses in the name of freedom.

One piece of psychobabble from Stefan that I am now using to the true betterment of my life: Stop making excuses for your abusers. American libertarianism and anarchism are inherently far right in their DNA. Scratch most libertarians and you'll find a Republican fascist :) I was one of the only blacks I knew involved in the "liberty movement" and it took Stefan coming out as a white nationalist and race "realist" to get me to wake up. Reason, empiricism, et al in the realm of politics are really bullshit codewords people like Stefan use to defend whatever agenda to which they happen to be tied emotionally.


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Re: Thank You to Stefan!!!! (Cutting Ties With My Abusers)
« Reply #1 on: December 22, 2015, 07:19:54 PM »
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Re: Thank You to Stefan!!!! (Cutting Ties With My Abusers)
« Reply #2 on: December 22, 2015, 07:33:31 PM »
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Ignore RecentlyBanned (but of course it's your choice) the guy's a fruitcake, he will drag you in to his bizarre nonsensical unevidenced and baseless arguments, where women and blacks (women !!! Ahhh, blacks, Ahhhhh, black women, on noes !!!! Ahhh) cause all the world's problems and where he will rise up as a mighty 'K' (a self-ascribed masturbatory fantasy status he's granted himself via the well established scientific process of 'reading some stuff on the internet') and kill all the non-Ks using his special secret mind control powers  ;D

Honestly, replying to his comments (something I must admit to not only doing here, but actually enjoying) is a test of faith.  ;D
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Re: Thank You to Stefan!!!! (Cutting Ties With My Abusers)
« Reply #3 on: December 22, 2015, 10:28:08 PM »
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I have to thank Stefan for shaking me out of my stupor....
Before this thread totally derails, I just want to mention the story of your FDR "enlightenment" was excellent. It would make a great podcast/video.
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Re: Thank You to Stefan!!!! (Cutting Ties With My Abusers)
« Reply #4 on: December 23, 2015, 08:27:00 AM »
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Re: Thank You to Stefan!!!! (Cutting Ties With My Abusers)
« Reply #5 on: December 23, 2015, 10:01:34 AM »
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@TokenMinorityReport

Ignore RecentlyBanned (but of course it's your choice) the guy's a fruitcake, he will drag you in to his bizarre nonsensical unevidenced and baseless arguments, where women and blacks (women !!! Ahhh, blacks, Ahhhhh, black women, on noes !!!! Ahhh) cause all the world's problems and where he will rise up as a mighty 'K' (a self-ascribed masturbatory fantasy status he's granted himself via the well established scientific process of 'reading some stuff on the internet') and kill all the non-Ks using his special secret mind control powers  ;D

Honestly, replying to his comments (something I must admit to not only doing here, but actually enjoying) is a test of faith.  ;D

I would ignore him. Except for the racial slur he was afraid to type and so implied. I know he is a keyboard trooper who needs to mention that he types his K-brilliance between lifting weights. I honestly don't understand why he is allowed to continue polluting the forum with his Stormfront musings.
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Re: Thank You to Stefan!!!! (Cutting Ties With My Abusers)
« Reply #6 on: December 23, 2015, 11:25:29 AM »
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Sorry--had to get heavy handed in moderating this thread because it started off as a personal attack and was about to get worse. If it does, I'll lock it altogether.

TMR--The first two paragraphs of your initial post were so awesome, I wish all of Molyneux's followers could hear it. I wish it would have lead to a measured discussion on this board about Molyneux's growing apparent tendency toward racism.

Unfortunately, in your third paragraph you chose to call out a member of this board in a way that forced him to respond. And when he made his predictable response, you escalated. I know what's coming next, so I'm stopping it here.

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Re: Thank You to Stefan!!!! (Cutting Ties With My Abusers)
« Reply #7 on: December 23, 2015, 11:26:46 AM »
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I have to thank Stefan for shaking me out of my stupor....
Before this thread totally derails, I just want to mention the story of your FDR "enlightenment" was excellent. It would make a great podcast/video.

Thanks.

And thanks for moderating the discussion. I will not lie. I am nowhere cool enough a head to moderate myself when it comes to situations like the one that was arising.

And no apologies necessary. I am guilty as charged. But I figured an attack was coming and hoped to get out ahead of it. Not the first bad decision I've made! :)
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Re: Thank You to Stefan!!!! (Cutting Ties With My Abusers)
« Reply #8 on: December 23, 2015, 11:32:58 AM »
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I have to thank Stefan for shaking me out of my stupor....
Before this thread totally derails, I just want to mention the story of your FDR "enlightenment" was excellent. It would make a great podcast/video.

Thanks.

And thanks for moderating the discussion. I will not lie. I am nowhere cool enough a head to moderate myself when it comes to situations like the one that was arising.

And no apologies necessary. I am guilty as charged. But I figured an attack was coming and hoped to get out ahead of it. Not the first bad decision I've made! :)

Thank you, too!
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Re: Thank You to Stefan!!!! (Cutting Ties With My Abusers)
« Reply #9 on: December 23, 2015, 02:42:01 PM »
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I wish it would have lead to a measured discussion on this board about Molyneux's growing apparent tendency toward racism.

I'm sorry. But I think we both know that didn't have a chance of happening and we both know why.

I've been watching how every conversation about that has turned out and it's why I "called out" (provoked) the member in question as preemption.

A measured discussion wasn't my expectation. But I'm glad you think reading the first two paragraphs may be useful to some still-benighted FDR members.
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Re: Thank You to Stefan!!!! (Cutting Ties With My Abusers)
« Reply #10 on: December 23, 2015, 05:03:13 PM »
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TMR--The first two paragraphs of your initial post were so awesome, I wish all of Molyneux's followers could hear it. I wish it would have lead to a measured discussion on this board about Molyneux's growing apparent tendency toward racism.

Unfortunately, in your third paragraph you chose to call out a member of this board in a way that forced him to respond. And when he made his predictable response, you escalated. I know what's coming next, so I'm stopping it here.

Sorry.


I agree with you that the first two paragraphs of his post are awesome, but I'm clever enough to realize that people who have truly gone through the self-growth process he champions don't need to be moderated during discussions about race and don't need to "get ahead of" "an attack I knew was coming".   

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Re: Thank You to Stefan!!!! (Cutting Ties With My Abusers)
« Reply #11 on: December 24, 2015, 02:26:53 PM »
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Okay, QE, I guess I'm not done with this. I guess I can try to salvage the thread I started and draw up heretofore untapped reserves of maturity and patience.

Because what this latest political cycle has taught me is that there really are two types of people in the world: the reactionary tribal defense types and the tolerant social justice types. People really are fundamentally right or left politically. There is a spectrum, but people are as likely to fall into neither camp as a coin is likely to land and remain on its edge when dropped. They can be near or far in their leftism or rightism, but they will not be neither left nor right.

Rockwell, Cantwell, and Moly in the Age of Trump have shown us all; Even the biggest, loudest "anarchists" will reveal their true left or right preference (usually right) and use state violence to back it up when the time comes. In Stef's case, he has always had a strong whiff of conservatism about him -- just like he's worn his female/mother issues on his face since the days just beyond the commute discussions... even as he played lip service to immigration being a state propaganda word for "moving", and how cocaine was just dandy since it produced Queen songs and "The Dark Side of the Moon."

Even back then in his hipper days, he had to defend himself against accusations of prudishness. Because people sensed that he was only playing lip service to letting people engage in personal activities that he personally found distastefully libertine. Even as he talked about human liberation and "the market", he didn't very effectively hide the fact that he expected "the market" to remove homosexuals and drug users (and eventually Muslims and non-whites!) from the gene pool. The good people of the free world would form white, Western mommy-daddy families and the blacks, gays, feminists, Muslims, etc would eventually starve when the productive traditional families refused to trade with any of those "freedom-hating" losers. The market would push them toward extinction, like the Neanderthals when they were outcompeted by their smarter, better cousins.

It's fun to dissect his "evolution" toward the standard middle-to-far-right positions. But here I disagree with Jeffery Tucker's assessment that Stef somehow bounced into the right (as many libertarians do) in an effort to distance himself from the left. Rather, I'd say that (like most libertarians) Stef came from the right and due to basic biology he was always there and not only did he never leave, but he was incapable of leaving. Just like the rest of us, he was born with a preference that he was helpless to alter.

That's what I mean by American libertarianism and anarchism being nothing more than window dressing to make the right and the rapacious capitalists more respectable. Anarchism is clearly rooted in the Socialist school. But it's been coopted by the Right (a version I, to my shame, spent thousands upon thousands of words defending!). But this kind of underscores my point. People are either brown or red at birth. Right-fascist or left-socialist/communist at their cores. They then choose who should have the guns to make the world conform to their (biologically set) preference. Most people are fine with the centralized authority of the state having the guns. Others want their left or right world visions to come true without the state. But wherever the guns may wind up, that dogged left/right preference persists.

Stef didn't become a racist before our eyes. He is and always has been biologically geared toward social and economic conservatism. Anarchism was just an amusing abstraction that his own tendency to fellate himself led him to explore. And unlike his poetry or theatrical chops, this particular bit of sound and fury actually gained him an audience.

But then we get this inevitable political cycle where someone like Trump galvanizes the people who feel they are losing their culture, country, and racial identity in the wake of a "black" (even worse, he's the product of a white woman who let herself be "defiled" by African insemination!!!) president getting elected and all sorts of grievances against white people and particularly white men getting way too much airtime.

So in this environment, Stefan gets to start exploring his own decidedly non-anarchist but staunchly conservative inclinations. And then he realizes that statists on the right actually have a lot more money than the anarchists who've been worshiping him for his mixed bag of anarchist apologia.

When the actual market starts to reward him for returning to his real beliefs, then this trajectory makes complete sense.

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“These are not superficial differences. They are psychologically deep,” says psychologist John Jost of New York University, a co-author of the bedroom study. “My hunch is that the capacity to organize the political world into left or right may be a part of human nature.”

...Psychologists have found that conservatives are fundamentally more anxious than liberals, which may be why they typically desire stability, structure and clear answers even to complicated questions. “Conservatism, apparently, helps to protect people against some of the natural difficulties of living,” says social psychologist Paul Nail of the University of Central Arkansas. “The fact is we don't live in a completely safe world. Things can and do go wrong. But if I can impose this order on it by my worldview, I can keep my anxiety to a manageable level.”

Anxiety is an emotion that waxes and wanes in all of us, and as it swings up or down our political views can shift in its wake. When people feel safe and secure, they become more liberal; when they feel threatened, they become more conservative.

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« Reply #12 on: December 24, 2015, 05:21:16 PM »
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I'm sorry. But I think we both know that didn't have a chance of happening and we both know why.

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Re: Thank You to Stefan!!!! (Cutting Ties With My Abusers)
« Reply #13 on: December 25, 2015, 11:10:39 AM »
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Because what this latest political cycle has taught me is that there really are two types of people in the world: the reactionary tribal defense types and the tolerant social justice types.


That's how a left-leaning person like yourself, smiley gave, and Kaz would describe the divide.   But a right-leaning person like me would describe the divide as Those Who Have Always Known That Violence Shall Be With Us versus Those Who Pretend That Violence Will Vanish From The Entire Human Race.

From my perspective of the divide, you've never gotten into a fight (or, if you did, you must badly and pledged to become non-violent and tolerant afterwards).  Nor have you built a strong body that you can proudly possess, because such a body is capable of inflicting great violence.   Nor have you amassed a great storage of wealth, because wealth acquisition does not uplift the entire human race (in your opinion), but instead dooms a great percentage of it to suffering, poverty, pain, and angst.   

Crucially, you don't speak every language known to man.  Nor have you traveled to every country, studied the histories of every culture, nor befriended (or loved) a single representative from each culture.   Consequently,  you're blind to the level of violence that exists in every culture, and your ability to linguistically communicate with foreign cultures is reduced to zero.   

Thus, the only culture you can communicate with is your own, and the only violence you can "call out" is that committed by your own culture.  (Though, let's be honest here; you're the last person who would ever challenge a criminal in your own neighborhood to cut it out, amiright?  Those individuals are clearly bigger and scarier than you, and you have neither the physical strength, violent ruthlessness, political connections, nor personal wealth required to be convincing here.)

So the ONLY people you'll criticize are the people in your own culture who will "allow you" to do so: the ones who believe in freedom of speech and the non-violent discussion of ideas.   And, all the while, you'll embrace exotic people you don't understand (i.e. - Muslims and all "minority groups") solely because you don't understand them, and therefore presume they're not violent.



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he expected "the market" to remove homosexuals and drug users (and eventually Muslims and non-whites!) from the gene pool.


Unless you can cut and paste a link WHERE STEFAN DIRECTLY DAYS THOSE WORDS, I'm going to disbelieve this summary.   Moreover, I'll correctly state that you're a violent person for accusing someone of believing such a thing WITHOUT posting direct evidence that he believes it.   

Your mind is hoping that, if only enough people could erroneously believe this about Stefan.   And if only just one of those people were committed enough to violently remove Stefan from the world.   Then we'd have a better universe AND you-yourself wouldn't have to commit the requisite violent act.   

So, please, direct quote.   Or retraction and compensation to Molyneux.


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He was born with a preference that he was helpless to alter.


No one is born with any preference that they're helpless to alter.   And you cannot quote ten scientists who assert that political preferences are impossible to alter.

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But this kind of underscores my point. People are either brown or red at birth. Right-fascist or left-socialist/communist at their cores. They then choose who should have the guns to make the world conform to their (biologically set) preference. Most people are fine with the centralized authority of the state having the guns. Others want their left or right world visions to come true without the state. But wherever the guns may wind up, that dogged left/right preference persists.


This is biological determinism, which no reputable scientist believes.

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So in this environment, Stefan gets to start exploring his own decidedly non-anarchist but staunchly conservative inclinations. And then he realizes that statists on the right actually have a lot more money than the anarchists who've been worshiping him for his mixed bag of anarchist apologia.


That just means anarchists are morons.   

When you believe that acquiring wealth is "oppressive", you significantly reduce your voice.   When you believe that acquiring physical power is "violent", you significantly reduce your voice.   When you believe that childbirth and parenting are too burdensome, you significantly reduce your voice.   And when you have more appreciation for exotic foreigners and "minorities" than you do for your own neighborhood and country, you significantly reduce your voice.   

No one pointed a gun at you and forced you to make these choices.   And now that you have made then, you have become what was predicted: a man with no voice, doubling down on the ideology which made him voiceless in the first place.   Thankfully, men like me are not helpless.   And we're choosing to abandon your ideology in favor of that which gives us more voice.   

We will make America great again.  And we will do so by taking it away from people like you.   

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Re: Thank You to Stefan!!!! (Cutting Ties With My Abusers)
« Reply #14 on: December 25, 2015, 01:24:56 PM »
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. "Nor have you built a strong body that you can proudly possess, because such a body is capable of inflicting great violence.   Nor have you amassed a great storage of wealth, because wealth acquisition does not uplift the entire human race (in your opinion), but instead dooms a great percentage of it to suffering, poverty, pain, and angst. "
 
https://youtu.be/a5NyYqe4RLM
https://youtu.be/k-EsAmlLu0I
https://youtu.be/luy9QdwNoA4
https://youtu.be/lynYYzWA9sE

These will come across as dick measuring and bragging. But they are really a demonstration of objective proof of you starting off with baseless personal attacks that degrade into your usual right wing blithering.

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