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After watching a number of his videos in which he is seemingly so un-self aware that he contradicts himself (sometimes in the space of two consecutive sentences) I was wondering if at least some of his show is the product of real pathology and not just simple charlatanry.

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Is Molyneux just another con man or does he really believe he's a philosopher?

I wondered that for a long time, and I've concluded that he's a con man.  Now I mostly wonder if it was accidental or pre-meditated.  To me, he is too mean and shrewd to be the delusional crackpot he might appear to be to some of us.  I think he says the things he does because it works in manipulating his audience.
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Is Molyneux just another con man or does he really believe he's a philosopher?

I wondered that for a long time, and I've concluded that he's a con man.  Now I mostly wonder if it was accidental or pre-meditated.  To me, he is too mean and shrewd to be the delusional crackpot he might appear to be to some of us.  I think he says the things he does because it works in manipulating his audience.

I think, perhaps, he wanted to be a genuine thinker at one time but didn't have the intellect. But if he does have any real gift, it's to talk; I've rarely seen anyone that can match Molyneux for sheer amount of verbal diarrhea.

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After watching a number of his videos in which he is seemingly so un-self aware that he contradicts himself (sometimes in the space of two consecutive sentences) I was wondering if at least some of his show is the product of real pathology and not just simple charlatanry.

Stef thinks he's a philosopher because he genially is and a good one at that.  Please point out a contradiction because I don't see it.

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After watching a number of his videos in which he is seemingly so un-self aware that he contradicts himself (sometimes in the space of two consecutive sentences) I was wondering if at least some of his show is the product of real pathology and not just simple charlatanry.

Stef thinks he's a philosopher because he genially is and a good one at that.  Please point out a contradiction because I don't see it.

Stef isn't a philosopher, he is a YouTube alt-right talking bobble head, with a following that consists largely of teenagers and dissatisfied 20-30 year old men. He is not respected or cited by any serious philosophers and his published 'works' when noticed have been universally derided as amateurish rambling. Most genuine philosophers don't spend their time posting inflammatory videos on YouTube with mocked up apocalyptic graphics and they also tend not to be frequently profiled as running online cults preying on vulnerable disenfranchised people. Simply saying you are something doesn't make it so.
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After watching a number of his videos in which he is seemingly so un-self aware that he contradicts himself (sometimes in the space of two consecutive sentences) I was wondering if at least some of his show is the product of real pathology and not just simple charlatanry.

Stef thinks he's a philosopher because he genially is and a good one at that.  Please point out a contradiction because I don't see it.

And what makes him a philosopher? Here's just one instance of his many contradictions https://youtu.be/KRykrTwToeY. That channel has many more if you wish to peruse the rest of the videos.

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After watching a number of his videos in which he is seemingly so un-self aware that he contradicts himself (sometimes in the space of two consecutive sentences) I was wondering if at least some of his show is the product of real pathology and not just simple charlatanry.

Stef thinks he's a philosopher because he genially is and a good one at that.  Please point out a contradiction because I don't see it.

Stef isn't a philosopher, he is a YouTube alt-right talking bobble head with a following that consists largely of teenagers and dissatisfied 20-30 year old men. He is not respected or cited by any serious philosophers and his published 'work' when noticed have been universally derided as amateurish rambling. Most genuine philosophers don't spend their time posting inflammatory videos on YouTube with mocked up apocalyptic graphics and they are also tend not to be frequently profiled as running online cults that prey on vulnerable disenfranchised people. Simply saying you are something doesn't make it so.

LMAO alt-right???  Do you even know anything about the alt-right??  They are white separatists.  Stef does not endorse white separatism.

Many people who are highly respected today where not respected in their time.   However respected or not by his philosophy pears he still is the most popular philosopher of his time.  Just because your not a fan of his audience or demographics doesn't change that fact.  Anyways aren't we living in a PC culture???  You can identify with whatever you want now adays.  I'm a pink kitty cat, boom!!!  Now it's true.  : )

There was also a time when MLB baseball players didn't have dark skin.  Does that mean that dark skinned people should never be considered an MLB baseball player??

People are butt hurt that Stef wanted people to leave their toxic families, which is a healthy thing to do.  It's a controversial topic so I'm not surprised there are all kinds of ridiculous claims about Stef out there.  Also just about everything is considered "a cult" when it's not mainstream and people feel passionately about it.  ECW wrestling back in the day was said to have a cult following.  Being different than the mainstream does not make you bad.  Hell at one time being against traditional slavery in the USA was considered radical. You could argue that abolitionists where a cult back in the day.  They felt passionately about their beliefs and where thought of as strange by the main stream.  You don't bring change to a society without creating enemies and being looked at as out there by many.  Same thing could be said about the civil rights movement.  Now all of these things are considered normal and you're out there if you are against them.

Here is the definition of Philosophy, sounds like Stef to me.  You may not agree with his style of Philosophy but it doesn't make him any less of a philosopher.  It simply means he's a philosopher you are not a fan of, which is perfectly fine.

phi·los·o·phy
[fəˈläsəfē]
NOUN
the study of the fundamental nature of knowledge, reality, and existence, especially when considered as an academic discipline. See also natural philosophy.
a particular system of philosophical thought:
"Schopenhauer’s philosophy"
the study of the theoretical basis of a particular branch of knowledge or experience:
"the philosophy of science"
synonyms: thinking · thought · reasoning
a theory or attitude held by a person or organization that acts as a guiding principle for behavior:
"don't expect anything and you won't be disappointed, that's my philosophy"
synonyms: beliefs · credo · convictions · ideology · ideas · thinking · notions · theories · doctrine · tenets · principles · views · school of thought · ism





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After watching a number of his videos in which he is seemingly so un-self aware that he contradicts himself (sometimes in the space of two consecutive sentences) I was wondering if at least some of his show is the product of real pathology and not just simple charlatanry.

Stef thinks he's a philosopher because he genially is and a good one at that.  Please point out a contradiction because I don't see it.

Stef isn't a philosopher, he is a YouTube alt-right talking bobble head with a following that consists largely of teenagers and dissatisfied 20-30 year old men. He is not respected or cited by any serious philosophers and his published 'work' when noticed have been universally derided as amateurish rambling. Most genuine philosophers don't spend their time posting inflammatory videos on YouTube with mocked up apocalyptic graphics and they are also tend not to be frequently profiled as running online cults that prey on vulnerable disenfranchised people. Simply saying you are something doesn't make it so.

LMAO alt-right???  Do you even know anything about the alt-right??  They are white separatists.  Stef does not endorse white separatism.

Many people who are highly respected today where not respected in their time.   However respected or not by his philosophy pears he still is the most popular philosopher of his time.  Just because your not a fan of his audience or demographics doesn't change that fact.  Anyways aren't we living in a PC culture???  You can identify with whatever you want now adays.  I'm a pink kitty cat, boom!!!  Now it's true.  : )

There was also a time when MLB baseball players didn't have dark skin.  Does that mean that dark skinned people should never be considered an MLB baseball player??

People are butt hurt that Stef wanted people to leave their toxic families, which is a healthy thing to do.  It's a controversial topic so I'm not surprised there are all kinds of ridiculous claims about Stef out there.  Also just about everything is considered "a cult" when it's not mainstream and people feel passionately about it.  ECW wrestling back in the day was said to have a cult following.  Being different than the mainstream does not make you bad.  Hell at one time being against traditional slavery in the USA was considered radical. You could argue that abolitionists where a cult back in the day.  They felt passionately about their beliefs and where thought of as strange by the main stream.  You don't bring change to a society without creating enemies and being looked at as out there by many.  Same thing could be said about the civil rights movement.  Now all of these things are considered normal and you're out there if you are against them.

Here is the definition of Philosophy, sounds like Stef to me.  You may not agree with his style of Philosophy but it doesn't make him any less of a philosopher.  It simply means he's a philosopher you are not a fan of, which is perfectly fine.

phi·los·o·phy
[fəˈläsəfē]
NOUN
the study of the fundamental nature of knowledge, reality, and existence, especially when considered as an academic discipline. See also natural philosophy.
a particular system of philosophical thought:
"Schopenhauer’s philosophy"
the study of the theoretical basis of a particular branch of knowledge or experience:
"the philosophy of science"
synonyms: thinking · thought · reasoning
a theory or attitude held by a person or organization that acts as a guiding principle for behavior:
"don't expect anything and you won't be disappointed, that's my philosophy"
synonyms: beliefs · credo · convictions · ideology · ideas · thinking · notions · theories · doctrine · tenets · principles · views · school of thought · ism

You'll have to do better than answering with the definition of the word "philosopher" and allusions to being ahead of his time if you want to be an effective Molyneux apologist. I wouldn't even touch the defooing issue if I were you, as the parallels to real cult behavior in such an act are grossly obvious. And at least acknowledge that the video of his contradictions exists if you want to refuse to look at it.

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After watching a number of his videos in which he is seemingly so un-self aware that he contradicts himself (sometimes in the space of two consecutive sentences) I was wondering if at least some of his show is the product of real pathology and not just simple charlatanry.

Stef thinks he's a philosopher because he genially is and a good one at that.  Please point out a contradiction because I don't see it.

Stef isn't a philosopher, he is a YouTube alt-right talking bobble head with a following that consists largely of teenagers and dissatisfied 20-30 year old men. He is not respected or cited by any serious philosophers and his published 'work' when noticed have been universally derided as amateurish rambling. Most genuine philosophers don't spend their time posting inflammatory videos on YouTube with mocked up apocalyptic graphics and they are also tend not to be frequently profiled as running online cults that prey on vulnerable disenfranchised people. Simply saying you are something doesn't make it so.

LMAO alt-right???  Do you even know anything about the alt-right??  They are white separatists.  Stef does not endorse white separatism.

Many people who are highly respected today where not respected in their time.   However respected or not by his philosophy pears he still is the most popular philosopher of his time.  Just because your not a fan of his audience or demographics doesn't change that fact.  Anyways aren't we living in a PC culture???  You can identify with whatever you want now adays.  I'm a pink kitty cat, boom!!!  Now it's true.  : )

There was also a time when MLB baseball players didn't have dark skin.  Does that mean that dark skinned people should never be considered an MLB baseball player??

People are butt hurt that Stef wanted people to leave their toxic families, which is a healthy thing to do.  It's a controversial topic so I'm not surprised there are all kinds of ridiculous claims about Stef out there.  Also just about everything is considered "a cult" when it's not mainstream and people feel passionately about it.  ECW wrestling back in the day was said to have a cult following.  Being different than the mainstream does not make you bad.  Hell at one time being against traditional slavery in the USA was considered radical. You could argue that abolitionists where a cult back in the day.  They felt passionately about their beliefs and where thought of as strange by the main stream.  You don't bring change to a society without creating enemies and being looked at as out there by many.  Same thing could be said about the civil rights movement.  Now all of these things are considered normal and you're out there if you are against them.

Here is the definition of Philosophy, sounds like Stef to me.  You may not agree with his style of Philosophy but it doesn't make him any less of a philosopher.  It simply means he's a philosopher you are not a fan of, which is perfectly fine.

phi·los·o·phy
[fəˈläsəfē]
NOUN
the study of the fundamental nature of knowledge, reality, and existence, especially when considered as an academic discipline. See also natural philosophy.
a particular system of philosophical thought:
"Schopenhauer’s philosophy"
the study of the theoretical basis of a particular branch of knowledge or experience:
"the philosophy of science"
synonyms: thinking · thought · reasoning
a theory or attitude held by a person or organization that acts as a guiding principle for behavior:
"don't expect anything and you won't be disappointed, that's my philosophy"
synonyms: beliefs · credo · convictions · ideology · ideas · thinking · notions · theories · doctrine · tenets · principles · views · school of thought · ism

You'll have to do better than answering with the definition of the word "philosopher" and allusions to being ahead of his time if you want to be an effective Molyneux apologist. I wouldn't even touch the defooing issue if I were you, as the parallels to real cult behavior in such an act are grossly obvious. And at least acknowledge that the video of his contradictions exists if you want to refuse to look at it.


If I didn't do a good job then why are you left with telling me what not to do.  Instead of refuting my points??  I'd say judging by your response I did a wonderful time.  Also that's the whole point of being ahead of your time.  People think your deluded, in your own little world and whatever else by your peers at the time.  However in the future you become loved and respected in the mainstream.

No I endorse defooing myself, if you have a toxic family you need to get away from them ASAP.  Luckily for me I do not so I do not have to defoo.

I'm not going to deny Stef has changed his views through out his career and life.  Hell he was even a socialist at one time.  Who exactly hasn't changed their mind on such complex topics as politics and lifestyles??

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After watching a number of his videos in which he is seemingly so un-self aware that he contradicts himself (sometimes in the space of two consecutive sentences) I was wondering if at least some of his show is the product of real pathology and not just simple charlatanry.

Stef thinks he's a philosopher because he genially is and a good one at that.  Please point out a contradiction because I don't see it.

Stef isn't a philosopher, he is a YouTube alt-right talking bobble head with a following that consists largely of teenagers and dissatisfied 20-30 year old men. He is not respected or cited by any serious philosophers and his published 'work' when noticed have been universally derided as amateurish rambling. Most genuine philosophers don't spend their time posting inflammatory videos on YouTube with mocked up apocalyptic graphics and they are also tend not to be frequently profiled as running online cults that prey on vulnerable disenfranchised people. Simply saying you are something doesn't make it so.

LMAO alt-right???  Do you even know anything about the alt-right??  They are white separatists.  Stef does not endorse white separatism.

Many people who are highly respected today where not respected in their time.   However respected or not by his philosophy pears he still is the most popular philosopher of his time.  Just because your not a fan of his audience or demographics doesn't change that fact.  Anyways aren't we living in a PC culture???  You can identify with whatever you want now adays.  I'm a pink kitty cat, boom!!!  Now it's true.  : )

There was also a time when MLB baseball players didn't have dark skin.  Does that mean that dark skinned people should never be considered an MLB baseball player??

People are butt hurt that Stef wanted people to leave their toxic families, which is a healthy thing to do.  It's a controversial topic so I'm not surprised there are all kinds of ridiculous claims about Stef out there.  Also just about everything is considered "a cult" when it's not mainstream and people feel passionately about it.  ECW wrestling back in the day was said to have a cult following.  Being different than the mainstream does not make you bad.  Hell at one time being against traditional slavery in the USA was considered radical. You could argue that abolitionists where a cult back in the day.  They felt passionately about their beliefs and where thought of as strange by the main stream.  You don't bring change to a society without creating enemies and being looked at as out there by many.  Same thing could be said about the civil rights movement.  Now all of these things are considered normal and you're out there if you are against them.

Here is the definition of Philosophy, sounds like Stef to me.  You may not agree with his style of Philosophy but it doesn't make him any less of a philosopher.  It simply means he's a philosopher you are not a fan of, which is perfectly fine.

phi·los·o·phy
[fəˈläsəfē]
NOUN
the study of the fundamental nature of knowledge, reality, and existence, especially when considered as an academic discipline. See also natural philosophy.
a particular system of philosophical thought:
"Schopenhauer’s philosophy"
the study of the theoretical basis of a particular branch of knowledge or experience:
"the philosophy of science"
synonyms: thinking · thought · reasoning
a theory or attitude held by a person or organization that acts as a guiding principle for behavior:
"don't expect anything and you won't be disappointed, that's my philosophy"
synonyms: beliefs · credo · convictions · ideology · ideas · thinking · notions · theories · doctrine · tenets · principles · views · school of thought · ism

You'll have to do better than answering with the definition of the word "philosopher" and allusions to being ahead of his time if you want to be an effective Molyneux apologist. I wouldn't even touch the defooing issue if I were you, as the parallels to real cult behavior in such an act are grossly obvious. And at least acknowledge that the video of his contradictions exists if you want to refuse to look at it.


If I didn't do a good job then why are you left with telling me what not to do.  Instead of refuting my points??  I'd say judging by your response I did a wonderful time.  Also that's the whole point of being ahead of your time.  People think your deluded, in your own little world and whatever else by your peers at the time.  However in the future you become loved and respected in the mainstream.

No I endorse defooing myself, if you have a toxic family you need to get away from them ASAP.  Luckily for me I do not so I do not have to defoo.

I'm not going to deny Stef has changed his views through out his career and life.  Hell he was even a socialist at one time.  Who exactly hasn't changed their mind on such complex topics as politics and lifestyles??

Well, I'm going to be charitable and conclude you're just a troll and not an imbecile. Molyneux isn't a psychologist or even a therapist, and it should be obvious to even a layman that you can't counsel someone to totally leave their family or assess a family situation with just one member present. Changing your views is fine, but being an opportunist is not.

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After watching a number of his videos in which he is seemingly so un-self aware that he contradicts himself (sometimes in the space of two consecutive sentences) I was wondering if at least some of his show is the product of real pathology and not just simple charlatanry.

Stef thinks he's a philosopher because he genially is and a good one at that.  Please point out a contradiction because I don't see it.

Stef isn't a philosopher, he is a YouTube alt-right talking bobble head with a following that consists largely of teenagers and dissatisfied 20-30 year old men. He is not respected or cited by any serious philosophers and his published 'work' when noticed have been universally derided as amateurish rambling. Most genuine philosophers don't spend their time posting inflammatory videos on YouTube with mocked up apocalyptic graphics and they are also tend not to be frequently profiled as running online cults that prey on vulnerable disenfranchised people. Simply saying you are something doesn't make it so.

LMAO alt-right???  Do you even know anything about the alt-right??  They are white separatists.  Stef does not endorse white separatism.

Many people who are highly respected today where not respected in their time.   However respected or not by his philosophy pears he still is the most popular philosopher of his time.  Just because your not a fan of his audience or demographics doesn't change that fact.  Anyways aren't we living in a PC culture???  You can identify with whatever you want now adays.  I'm a pink kitty cat, boom!!!  Now it's true.  : )

There was also a time when MLB baseball players didn't have dark skin.  Does that mean that dark skinned people should never be considered an MLB baseball player??

People are butt hurt that Stef wanted people to leave their toxic families, which is a healthy thing to do.  It's a controversial topic so I'm not surprised there are all kinds of ridiculous claims about Stef out there.  Also just about everything is considered "a cult" when it's not mainstream and people feel passionately about it.  ECW wrestling back in the day was said to have a cult following.  Being different than the mainstream does not make you bad.  Hell at one time being against traditional slavery in the USA was considered radical. You could argue that abolitionists where a cult back in the day.  They felt passionately about their beliefs and where thought of as strange by the main stream.  You don't bring change to a society without creating enemies and being looked at as out there by many.  Same thing could be said about the civil rights movement.  Now all of these things are considered normal and you're out there if you are against them.

Here is the definition of Philosophy, sounds like Stef to me.  You may not agree with his style of Philosophy but it doesn't make him any less of a philosopher.  It simply means he's a philosopher you are not a fan of, which is perfectly fine.

phi·los·o·phy
[fəˈläsəfē]
NOUN
the study of the fundamental nature of knowledge, reality, and existence, especially when considered as an academic discipline. See also natural philosophy.
a particular system of philosophical thought:
"Schopenhauer’s philosophy"
the study of the theoretical basis of a particular branch of knowledge or experience:
"the philosophy of science"
synonyms: thinking · thought · reasoning
a theory or attitude held by a person or organization that acts as a guiding principle for behavior:
"don't expect anything and you won't be disappointed, that's my philosophy"
synonyms: beliefs · credo · convictions · ideology · ideas · thinking · notions · theories · doctrine · tenets · principles · views · school of thought · ism

You'll have to do better than answering with the definition of the word "philosopher" and allusions to being ahead of his time if you want to be an effective Molyneux apologist. I wouldn't even touch the defooing issue if I were you, as the parallels to real cult behavior in such an act are grossly obvious. And at least acknowledge that the video of his contradictions exists if you want to refuse to look at it.


If I didn't do a good job then why are you left with telling me what not to do.  Instead of refuting my points??  I'd say judging by your response I did a wonderful time.  Also that's the whole point of being ahead of your time.  People think your deluded, in your own little world and whatever else by your peers at the time.  However in the future you become loved and respected in the mainstream.

No I endorse defooing myself, if you have a toxic family you need to get away from them ASAP.  Luckily for me I do not so I do not have to defoo.

I'm not going to deny Stef has changed his views through out his career and life.  Hell he was even a socialist at one time.  Who exactly hasn't changed their mind on such complex topics as politics and lifestyles??

Well, I'm going to be charitable and conclude you're just a troll and not an imbecile. Molyneux isn't a psychologist or even a therapist, and it should be obvious to even a layman that you can't counsel someone to totally leave their family or assess a family situation with just one member present. Changing your views is fine, but being an opportunist is not.

No don't give so much "credit", by your terms I'm a total and complete "imbecile"......okay why isn't Stef any of these labels???  What does he need to do or say to make him fit under your idea what these labels are??  Also why can't you recommended someone to totally leave their family if are a toxic influence on this individuals life?  You keep saying things but you never explain yourself.

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After watching a number of his videos in which he is seemingly so un-self aware that he contradicts himself (sometimes in the space of two consecutive sentences) I was wondering if at least some of his show is the product of real pathology and not just simple charlatanry.

Stef thinks he's a philosopher because he genially is and a good one at that.  Please point out a contradiction because I don't see it.

Stef isn't a philosopher, he is a YouTube alt-right talking bobble head with a following that consists largely of teenagers and dissatisfied 20-30 year old men. He is not respected or cited by any serious philosophers and his published 'work' when noticed have been universally derided as amateurish rambling. Most genuine philosophers don't spend their time posting inflammatory videos on YouTube with mocked up apocalyptic graphics and they are also tend not to be frequently profiled as running online cults that prey on vulnerable disenfranchised people. Simply saying you are something doesn't make it so.

LMAO alt-right???  Do you even know anything about the alt-right??  They are white separatists.  Stef does not endorse white separatism.

Many people who are highly respected today where not respected in their time.   However respected or not by his philosophy pears he still is the most popular philosopher of his time.  Just because your not a fan of his audience or demographics doesn't change that fact.  Anyways aren't we living in a PC culture???  You can identify with whatever you want now adays.  I'm a pink kitty cat, boom!!!  Now it's true.  : )

There was also a time when MLB baseball players didn't have dark skin.  Does that mean that dark skinned people should never be considered an MLB baseball player??

People are butt hurt that Stef wanted people to leave their toxic families, which is a healthy thing to do.  It's a controversial topic so I'm not surprised there are all kinds of ridiculous claims about Stef out there.  Also just about everything is considered "a cult" when it's not mainstream and people feel passionately about it.  ECW wrestling back in the day was said to have a cult following.  Being different than the mainstream does not make you bad.  Hell at one time being against traditional slavery in the USA was considered radical. You could argue that abolitionists where a cult back in the day.  They felt passionately about their beliefs and where thought of as strange by the main stream.  You don't bring change to a society without creating enemies and being looked at as out there by many.  Same thing could be said about the civil rights movement.  Now all of these things are considered normal and you're out there if you are against them.

Here is the definition of Philosophy, sounds like Stef to me.  You may not agree with his style of Philosophy but it doesn't make him any less of a philosopher.  It simply means he's a philosopher you are not a fan of, which is perfectly fine.

phi·los·o·phy
[fəˈläsəfē]
NOUN
the study of the fundamental nature of knowledge, reality, and existence, especially when considered as an academic discipline. See also natural philosophy.
a particular system of philosophical thought:
"Schopenhauer’s philosophy"
the study of the theoretical basis of a particular branch of knowledge or experience:
"the philosophy of science"
synonyms: thinking · thought · reasoning
a theory or attitude held by a person or organization that acts as a guiding principle for behavior:
"don't expect anything and you won't be disappointed, that's my philosophy"
synonyms: beliefs · credo · convictions · ideology · ideas · thinking · notions · theories · doctrine · tenets · principles · views · school of thought · ism

You'll have to do better than answering with the definition of the word "philosopher" and allusions to being ahead of his time if you want to be an effective Molyneux apologist. I wouldn't even touch the defooing issue if I were you, as the parallels to real cult behavior in such an act are grossly obvious. And at least acknowledge that the video of his contradictions exists if you want to refuse to look at it.


If I didn't do a good job then why are you left with telling me what not to do.  Instead of refuting my points??  I'd say judging by your response I did a wonderful time.  Also that's the whole point of being ahead of your time.  People think your deluded, in your own little world and whatever else by your peers at the time.  However in the future you become loved and respected in the mainstream.

No I endorse defooing myself, if you have a toxic family you need to get away from them ASAP.  Luckily for me I do not so I do not have to defoo.

I'm not going to deny Stef has changed his views through out his career and life.  Hell he was even a socialist at one time.  Who exactly hasn't changed their mind on such complex topics as politics and lifestyles??

Well, I'm going to be charitable and conclude you're just a troll and not an imbecile. Molyneux isn't a psychologist or even a therapist, and it should be obvious to even a layman that you can't counsel someone to totally leave their family or assess a family situation with just one member present. Changing your views is fine, but being an opportunist is not.

No don't give so much "credit", by your terms I'm a total and complete "imbecile"......okay why isn't Stef any of these labels???  What does he need to do or say to make him fit under your idea what these labels are??  Also why can't you recommended someone to totally leave their family if are a toxic influence on this individuals life?  You keep saying things but you never explain yourself.

They are not "labels" they are professions. Molyneux studied history I believe, so not only is he unqualified by credentials but also by lack of even elementary knowledge of psychology, hence giving advice to one member of a family, going only on their word without truly knowing what the family history is, and having no other members present while using your own definitions of a toxic environment. There's actual audio evidence of Molyneux talking while hiding in the attic of his house from the parents of a girl he counseled to defoo. What kind of behavior is that from a man who professes to give sound advice? I'd leave the link if I thought you would listen to it but, I'm reasonably sure you don't care that he's morally and intellectually bankrupt.

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After watching a number of his videos in which he is seemingly so un-self aware that he contradicts himself (sometimes in the space of two consecutive sentences) I was wondering if at least some of his show is the product of real pathology and not just simple charlatanry.

Stef thinks he's a philosopher because he genially is and a good one at that.  Please point out a contradiction because I don't see it.

Stef isn't a philosopher, he is a YouTube alt-right talking bobble head with a following that consists largely of teenagers and dissatisfied 20-30 year old men. He is not respected or cited by any serious philosophers and his published 'work' when noticed have been universally derided as amateurish rambling. Most genuine philosophers don't spend their time posting inflammatory videos on YouTube with mocked up apocalyptic graphics and they are also tend not to be frequently profiled as running online cults that prey on vulnerable disenfranchised people. Simply saying you are something doesn't make it so.

LMAO alt-right???  Do you even know anything about the alt-right??  They are white separatists.  Stef does not endorse white separatism.

Many people who are highly respected today where not respected in their time.   However respected or not by his philosophy pears he still is the most popular philosopher of his time.  Just because your not a fan of his audience or demographics doesn't change that fact.  Anyways aren't we living in a PC culture???  You can identify with whatever you want now adays.  I'm a pink kitty cat, boom!!!  Now it's true.  : )

There was also a time when MLB baseball players didn't have dark skin.  Does that mean that dark skinned people should never be considered an MLB baseball player??

People are butt hurt that Stef wanted people to leave their toxic families, which is a healthy thing to do.  It's a controversial topic so I'm not surprised there are all kinds of ridiculous claims about Stef out there.  Also just about everything is considered "a cult" when it's not mainstream and people feel passionately about it.  ECW wrestling back in the day was said to have a cult following.  Being different than the mainstream does not make you bad.  Hell at one time being against traditional slavery in the USA was considered radical. You could argue that abolitionists where a cult back in the day.  They felt passionately about their beliefs and where thought of as strange by the main stream.  You don't bring change to a society without creating enemies and being looked at as out there by many.  Same thing could be said about the civil rights movement.  Now all of these things are considered normal and you're out there if you are against them.

Here is the definition of Philosophy, sounds like Stef to me.  You may not agree with his style of Philosophy but it doesn't make him any less of a philosopher.  It simply means he's a philosopher you are not a fan of, which is perfectly fine.

phi·los·o·phy
[fəˈläsəfē]
NOUN
the study of the fundamental nature of knowledge, reality, and existence, especially when considered as an academic discipline. See also natural philosophy.
a particular system of philosophical thought:
"Schopenhauer’s philosophy"
the study of the theoretical basis of a particular branch of knowledge or experience:
"the philosophy of science"
synonyms: thinking · thought · reasoning
a theory or attitude held by a person or organization that acts as a guiding principle for behavior:
"don't expect anything and you won't be disappointed, that's my philosophy"
synonyms: beliefs · credo · convictions · ideology · ideas · thinking · notions · theories · doctrine · tenets · principles · views · school of thought · ism

Stef is a hair's breadth from White separatism. He is now a White nationalist who trades in all of the standard topics and cliches of that genre. Although if we are being charitable; it seems likely that his current political incarnation is largely fueled by opportunism rather than a strong commitment to any specific ideals. Stef tried peddling a brand of libertarianism and pseudo-scientific psychology previously and had pretty limited success, then during the 2016 election cycle he found a new more effective mine of grievance for his target audience and so he started peddling alt-right narratives. And no, I don't restrict the alt-right to Spencer and his crew, I use the term to refer to the new wave of right wing populism spread mostly by online ideologues and dismissive of the values and approach of traditional conservatism. Stef is one such ideologue but his primary philosophy is self promotion and narcissism, I would fully expect him to flip his views if he finds some new more profitable trend to ride on.

Also, Stef doesn't have philosopher 'pears' or peers, he is not part of the philosophical community in any sense. He is just a YouTube ideologue. No-one is going to be discussing the philosophy of Molyneux in 10 let alone 100 years. Again, just because Stef thinks he is the next great prophet, doesn't make it so. Step out of his insular pit and it doesn't take long to see that he isn't some unacknowledged genius but rather an overly acknowledged insecure little man.

Having a cult following is also not the same thing as being a cult. ECW wasn't profiled by anti-cult experts. ECW did not advocate that people donate money, cut off contact with friends and family, and spend hours listening to content supplied by an authoritarian 'leader' everyday. The two are not comparable.

You've bought into a YouTube pseudo-intellectual with cultish pretensions. I understand why portraying Molyneux as an unacknowledged genius philosopher is preferable to recognising that, but just because something is more comforting doesn't make it less true.
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After watching a number of his videos in which he is seemingly so un-self aware that he contradicts himself (sometimes in the space of two consecutive sentences) I was wondering if at least some of his show is the product of real pathology and not just simple charlatanry.

Stef thinks he's a philosopher because he genially is and a good one at that.  Please point out a contradiction because I don't see it.

Stef isn't a philosopher, he is a YouTube alt-right talking bobble head with a following that consists largely of teenagers and dissatisfied 20-30 year old men. He is not respected or cited by any serious philosophers and his published 'work' when noticed have been universally derided as amateurish rambling. Most genuine philosophers don't spend their time posting inflammatory videos on YouTube with mocked up apocalyptic graphics and they are also tend not to be frequently profiled as running online cults that prey on vulnerable disenfranchised people. Simply saying you are something doesn't make it so.

LMAO alt-right???  Do you even know anything about the alt-right??  They are white separatists.  Stef does not endorse white separatism.

Many people who are highly respected today where not respected in their time.   However respected or not by his philosophy pears he still is the most popular philosopher of his time.  Just because your not a fan of his audience or demographics doesn't change that fact.  Anyways aren't we living in a PC culture???  You can identify with whatever you want now adays.  I'm a pink kitty cat, boom!!!  Now it's true.  : )

There was also a time when MLB baseball players didn't have dark skin.  Does that mean that dark skinned people should never be considered an MLB baseball player??

People are butt hurt that Stef wanted people to leave their toxic families, which is a healthy thing to do.  It's a controversial topic so I'm not surprised there are all kinds of ridiculous claims about Stef out there.  Also just about everything is considered "a cult" when it's not mainstream and people feel passionately about it.  ECW wrestling back in the day was said to have a cult following.  Being different than the mainstream does not make you bad.  Hell at one time being against traditional slavery in the USA was considered radical. You could argue that abolitionists where a cult back in the day.  They felt passionately about their beliefs and where thought of as strange by the main stream.  You don't bring change to a society without creating enemies and being looked at as out there by many.  Same thing could be said about the civil rights movement.  Now all of these things are considered normal and you're out there if you are against them.

Here is the definition of Philosophy, sounds like Stef to me.  You may not agree with his style of Philosophy but it doesn't make him any less of a philosopher.  It simply means he's a philosopher you are not a fan of, which is perfectly fine.

phi·los·o·phy
[fəˈläsəfē]
NOUN
the study of the fundamental nature of knowledge, reality, and existence, especially when considered as an academic discipline. See also natural philosophy.
a particular system of philosophical thought:
"Schopenhauer’s philosophy"
the study of the theoretical basis of a particular branch of knowledge or experience:
"the philosophy of science"
synonyms: thinking · thought · reasoning
a theory or attitude held by a person or organization that acts as a guiding principle for behavior:
"don't expect anything and you won't be disappointed, that's my philosophy"
synonyms: beliefs · credo · convictions · ideology · ideas · thinking · notions · theories · doctrine · tenets · principles · views · school of thought · ism

You'll have to do better than answering with the definition of the word "philosopher" and allusions to being ahead of his time if you want to be an effective Molyneux apologist. I wouldn't even touch the defooing issue if I were you, as the parallels to real cult behavior in such an act are grossly obvious. And at least acknowledge that the video of his contradictions exists if you want to refuse to look at it.


If I didn't do a good job then why are you left with telling me what not to do.  Instead of refuting my points??  I'd say judging by your response I did a wonderful time.  Also that's the whole point of being ahead of your time.  People think your deluded, in your own little world and whatever else by your peers at the time.  However in the future you become loved and respected in the mainstream.

No I endorse defooing myself, if you have a toxic family you need to get away from them ASAP.  Luckily for me I do not so I do not have to defoo.

I'm not going to deny Stef has changed his views through out his career and life.  Hell he was even a socialist at one time.  Who exactly hasn't changed their mind on such complex topics as politics and lifestyles??

Well, I'm going to be charitable and conclude you're just a troll and not an imbecile. Molyneux isn't a psychologist or even a therapist, and it should be obvious to even a layman that you can't counsel someone to totally leave their family or assess a family situation with just one member present. Changing your views is fine, but being an opportunist is not.

No don't give so much "credit", by your terms I'm a total and complete "imbecile"......okay why isn't Stef any of these labels???  What does he need to do or say to make him fit under your idea what these labels are??  Also why can't you recommended someone to totally leave their family if are a toxic influence on this individuals life?  You keep saying things but you never explain yourself.

They are not "labels" they are professions. Molyneux studied history I believe, so not only is he unqualified by credentials but also by lack of even elementary knowledge of psychology, hence giving advice to one member of a family, going only on their word without truly knowing what the family history is, and having no other members present while using your own definitions of a toxic environment. There's actual audio evidence of Molyneux talking while hiding in the attic of his house from the parents of a girl he counseled to defoo. What kind of behavior is that from a man who professes to give sound advice? I'd leave the link if I thought you would listen to it but, I'm reasonably sure you don't care that he's morally and intellectually bankrupt.

Yeah it's a label for a profession that Stef has made a living on......uh you a degree doesn't make you qualified or unqualified in that profession.  Knowing what you are actually talking about in the real world does and Stef does.   Stef is not psychologists and I don't think he's every said he was.  He simply gives advice, people are at no obligation to take that advice. 

Stef shouldn't have hid, we are all human and we make mistakes in life.  That doesn't make someone morally or intellectually bankrupt.  Stef all in all is a good guy and I respect him a lot for all the good his does for the world.

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After watching a number of his videos in which he is seemingly so un-self aware that he contradicts himself (sometimes in the space of two consecutive sentences) I was wondering if at least some of his show is the product of real pathology and not just simple charlatanry.

Stef thinks he's a philosopher because he genially is and a good one at that.  Please point out a contradiction because I don't see it.

Stef isn't a philosopher, he is a YouTube alt-right talking bobble head with a following that consists largely of teenagers and dissatisfied 20-30 year old men. He is not respected or cited by any serious philosophers and his published 'work' when noticed have been universally derided as amateurish rambling. Most genuine philosophers don't spend their time posting inflammatory videos on YouTube with mocked up apocalyptic graphics and they are also tend not to be frequently profiled as running online cults that prey on vulnerable disenfranchised people. Simply saying you are something doesn't make it so.

LMAO alt-right???  Do you even know anything about the alt-right??  They are white separatists.  Stef does not endorse white separatism.

Many people who are highly respected today where not respected in their time.   However respected or not by his philosophy pears he still is the most popular philosopher of his time.  Just because your not a fan of his audience or demographics doesn't change that fact.  Anyways aren't we living in a PC culture???  You can identify with whatever you want now adays.  I'm a pink kitty cat, boom!!!  Now it's true.  : )

There was also a time when MLB baseball players didn't have dark skin.  Does that mean that dark skinned people should never be considered an MLB baseball player??

People are butt hurt that Stef wanted people to leave their toxic families, which is a healthy thing to do.  It's a controversial topic so I'm not surprised there are all kinds of ridiculous claims about Stef out there.  Also just about everything is considered "a cult" when it's not mainstream and people feel passionately about it.  ECW wrestling back in the day was said to have a cult following.  Being different than the mainstream does not make you bad.  Hell at one time being against traditional slavery in the USA was considered radical. You could argue that abolitionists where a cult back in the day.  They felt passionately about their beliefs and where thought of as strange by the main stream.  You don't bring change to a society without creating enemies and being looked at as out there by many.  Same thing could be said about the civil rights movement.  Now all of these things are considered normal and you're out there if you are against them.

Here is the definition of Philosophy, sounds like Stef to me.  You may not agree with his style of Philosophy but it doesn't make him any less of a philosopher.  It simply means he's a philosopher you are not a fan of, which is perfectly fine.

phi·los·o·phy
[fəˈläsəfē]
NOUN
the study of the fundamental nature of knowledge, reality, and existence, especially when considered as an academic discipline. See also natural philosophy.
a particular system of philosophical thought:
"Schopenhauer’s philosophy"
the study of the theoretical basis of a particular branch of knowledge or experience:
"the philosophy of science"
synonyms: thinking · thought · reasoning
a theory or attitude held by a person or organization that acts as a guiding principle for behavior:
"don't expect anything and you won't be disappointed, that's my philosophy"
synonyms: beliefs · credo · convictions · ideology · ideas · thinking · notions · theories · doctrine · tenets · principles · views · school of thought · ism

Stef is a hair's breadth from White separatism. He is now a White nationalist who trades in all of the standard topics and cliches of that genre. Although if we are being charitable; it seems likely that his current political incarnation is largely fueled by opportunism rather than a strong commitment to any specific ideals. Stef tried peddling a brand of libertarianism and pseudo-scientific psychology previously and had pretty limited success, then during the 2016 election cycle he found a new more effective mine of grievance for his target audience and so he started peddling alt-right narratives. And no, I don't restrict the alt-right to Spencer and his crew, I use the term to refer to the new wave of right wing populism spread mostly by online ideologues and dismissive of the values and approach of traditional conservatism. Stef is one such ideologue but his primary philosophy is self promotion and narcissism, I would fully expect him to flip his views if he finds some new more profitable trend to ride on.

Also, Stef doesn't have philosopher 'pears' or peers, he is not part of the philosophical community in any sense. He is just a YouTube ideologue. No-one is going to be discussing the philosophy of Molyneux in 10 let alone 100 years. Again, just because Stef thinks he is the next great prophet, doesn't make it so. Step out of his insular pit and it doesn't take long to see that he isn't some unacknowledged genius but rather an overly acknowledged insecure little man.

Having a cult following is also not the same thing as being a cult. ECW wasn't profiled by anti-cult experts. ECW did not advocate that people donate money, cut off contact with friends and family, and spend hours listening to content supplied by an authoritarian 'leader' everyday. The two are not comparable.

You've bought into a YouTube pseudo-intellectual with cultish pretensions. I understand why portraying Molyneux as an unacknowledged genius philosopher is preferable to recognising that, but just because something is more comforting doesn't make it less true.

White nationalist??  When has Stef ever endorsed white separatism??  Stef simply presents the facts and the figures.  If you have a problem with what Stef is saying you have a problem with reality.

LMAO so basically you're saying presenting facts and figures is alt-right??  Don't give the alt-right so much credit, they aren't that rational.  You want to call Stef alt-light maybe but he's still that Libertarian he always was.  He simply has realized it's not going to happen if we bring in un-feathered immigration from the third world.  Remember the goal is open borders but you can't do that with a welfare state.

Of course he doesn't have peers, he's light years ahead of them.  You look back in time it's going to be Stef and everyone else in terms of philosophy no one is even close.  People like yourself will be looked at as being on the wrong side of history.  Hating the man that did his best to bring rationality. reasoning logic, facts etc. to our period of ignorance where facts=hate speech and bigotry.

Bro I've talked to man many people who have this irrational hatred of Stef and they just convince me to like the man more.  I've watched countless videos and it's hilarious how ridiculous these people are.  That's why I'm here it's hilarious watching you people make fools of yourself and exposing how irrational and illogical you people truly are.  You prove Stef right with every sentence that you write.

Authoritarian leader??  LMAO he's about as un-authoritarian as it gets.

No I just honestly see him as an amazing person and a genius.  I don't see this evil man you seem to think he is and I honestly pity you that you can't see the genuinely great person and intelligent human being he truly is.