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Re: Molyneux tours Australia and New Zealand July - Aug 2018
« Reply #60 on: August 06, 2018, 08:07:57 PM »
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**One thing I just thought of, it wouldn't be a bad idea to engage in conversation on Lauren Southern's channel since a lot of viewers subscribe to both.  I believe she's a little less for censorship, or at the very least, probably not as adept at the echo chamber game**

I've been doing a little digging, my next video is going to be about the speaking event.  There's definitely some weird things about the event that had people (even fans) wondering about, so I'm going to dive into those. 

Stay tuned, thank you for the help here, next episode on it's way later today.
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Re: Molyneux tours Australia and New Zealand July - Aug 2018
« Reply #61 on: August 06, 2018, 09:18:10 PM »
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I just found out that Youtube really did remove Alex Jones from the platform (for now).  I am very surprised.  I don't agree with their decision, but this is part of the downside of Youtube being a company that answers to advertisers.  I expect they will reinstate his channel eventually.  Makes me wonder if they will go after Molyneux eventually.

I'm curious, was AJ's or InfoWars' channels monetized? 
I don't think it had to do with advertisers.  It was because Apple, FB, Spotify took action, and YT/Google looked really bad not doing anything.

Users are asking about Twitter, but Twitter issued a statement that he hasn't violated any policy.  Most of his outrageous content isn't likely hosted on Twitter, because twitter was late to allow uploads of long videos.

Today, he's spinning the bannings like crazy on his Twitter accounts, and posting his show and videos there.  He's using the bannings as proof of his truth telling and proof of his conspiracy theories about globalists.  Of course, he's using it to ask for donations too.
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Re: Molyneux tours Australia and New Zealand July - Aug 2018
« Reply #62 on: August 06, 2018, 09:50:10 PM »
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I just found out that Youtube really did remove Alex Jones from the platform (for now).  I am very surprised.  I don't agree with their decision, but this is part of the downside of Youtube being a company that answers to advertisers.  I expect they will reinstate his channel eventually.  Makes me wonder if they will go after Molyneux eventually.

I'm curious, was AJ's or InfoWars' channels monetized? 
I don't think it had to do with advertisers.  It was because Apple, FB, Spotify took action, and YT/Google looked really bad not doing anything.

Users are asking about Twitter, but Twitter issued a statement that he hasn't violated any policy.  Most of his outrageous content isn't likely hosted on Twitter.  I think it they were late to allow uploads of long videos.

Today, he's spinning the bannings like crazy on his Twitter accounts, and posting his show and videos there.  He's using the bannings as proof of his truth telling and proof of his conspiracy theories about globalists.  Of course, he's using it to ask for donations too.

I pretty sure he used to, but I'm not sure if he was demonetized.  You could be right and I might be wrong.  I'm honestly trying to figure out the truth of what happened.  Paul Joseph Watson put out an interesting video today.  I cannot vouch for if it's true or not, but it's interesting.  Again, I don't agree with this decision. 

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Re: Molyneux tours Australia and New Zealand July - Aug 2018
« Reply #63 on: August 06, 2018, 11:58:02 PM »
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I pretty sure he used to, but I'm not sure if he was demonetized.  You could be right and I might be wrong.  I'm honestly trying to figure out the truth of what happened.  Paul Joseph Watson put out an interesting video today.  I cannot vouch for if it's true or not, but it's interesting.  Again, I don't agree with this decision.

I have mixed feelings.  YT and FB are so big that they function as the main distributors of information and media.  Not only is there no quality control for the veracity of the content, but the dumb algorithms are easily gamed by the worst pushers of lies and propaganda to promote their material more effectively.  Removing his content severely limits his reach, and his ability to inflict harm.

I'm surprised YT did it though, this late.  People have been complaining to them for years.  It's an admission that he did violate their policies but they were negligent and stood by idly while he bullied real people.  They must know that if they take on the responsibility of having to police the content of all uploaded videos, or even just the reported ones, it would require infinite resources.  It's an impossible task.

Activists on Twitter have already started setting their sights on other alt-right channels like Rebel Media.  I wonder if someone like Molyneux will become a target eventually.  BTW, Molyneux is on Apple iTunes too!  Maybe Apple should be notified.   ;D
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Re: Molyneux tours Australia and New Zealand July - Aug 2018
« Reply #64 on: August 07, 2018, 12:25:33 AM »
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The parents of children killed at Sandy Hook were getting death threats thanks to Jones. Then he had the nerve to sue these parents last week. And he also threatened to shoot people. So yeah...he was banned because of these things.  Actually, I think he should be arrested for spreading lies that lead to these parents being harassed.
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Re: Molyneux tours Australia and New Zealand July - Aug 2018
« Reply #65 on: August 07, 2018, 01:42:14 AM »
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I pretty sure he used to, but I'm not sure if he was demonetized.  You could be right and I might be wrong.  I'm honestly trying to figure out the truth of what happened.  Paul Joseph Watson put out an interesting video today.  I cannot vouch for if it's true or not, but it's interesting.  Again, I don't agree with this decision.

I have mixed feelings.  YT and FB are so big that they function as the main distributors of information and media.  Not only is there no quality control for the veracity of the content, but the dumb algorithms are easily gamed by the worst pushers of lies and propaganda to promote their material more effectively.  Removing his content severely limits his reach, and his ability to inflict harm.

I'm surprised YT did it though, this late.  People have been complaining to them for years.  It's an admission that he did violate their policies but they were negligent and stood by idly while he bullied real people.  They must know that if they take on the responsibility of having to police the content of all uploaded videos, or even just the reported ones, it would require infinite resources.  It's an impossible task.

Activists on Twitter have already started setting their sights on other alt-right channels like Rebel Media.  I wonder if someone like Molyneux will become a target eventually.  BTW, Molyneux is on Apple iTunes too!  Maybe Apple should be notified.   ;D

I personally don't think much of Jones.  I see him as an entertainer and not a serious news reporter.  But I know a lot of people see him as the latter.  I really do not like him spreading false information and lies about topics where many people lost lives.  It's just damn offensive to those families.  What is with all these people thinking all the shootings fake? 

I just fear that trying to shut him up, or pulling the plug on their platform is just going to make people more interested in why he was banned. 

It's also a very interesting example of how the free market fails in some areas.  These companies do not operate like a government can.  There are no rules to allow people like Jones free speech.  They fire back that they are monopolies, but then, that's the nature of business, right?  Molyneux's argument that a competitor will pop up and save the day is not always true.  I hope people will at least appreciate that this is a situation where some kind of rules to regulate these companies could be a good thing.   But then you are forcing companies to do things, so there's that use of force.  I would side with the government on this one.  As much as I dislike Jones, I fear trying to be like New Zealand will just make things worse.

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Re: Molyneux tours Australia and New Zealand July - Aug 2018
« Reply #66 on: August 07, 2018, 03:41:16 AM »
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His ex wife has some interesting things to say about him, too.

I really hate to say this, since it's subjective, but when I heard her speak on the David Pakman show, I swear I could hear echos of my step father in there. 

She may or may not be lying, but it sure resonated with me, coming from a family with a step father like Jones. 

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Re: Molyneux tours Australia and New Zealand July - Aug 2018
« Reply #67 on: August 07, 2018, 03:43:29 AM »
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Sorry to double post, but I didn't want to combine the two because I wanted to ask something unrelated here.

Anyone have any links to footage if there were crazy protestors at the Auckland event?  Because I can't find anything, because I don't think it exists, but if something does exist or if there's other footage floating around, would someone please direct me to it?

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Re: Molyneux tours Australia and New Zealand July - Aug 2018
« Reply #68 on: August 07, 2018, 08:33:59 AM »
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  As much as I dislike Jones, I fear trying to be like New Zealand will just make things worse.

Do you mean that trying to ban Jones will make things worse, or do you mean not banning him is worse?

I'm just confused because from what I can tell, the NZ government didn't do anything to shut down Molyneux and Southern, only expressed that they disagreed. 

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Re: Molyneux tours Australia and New Zealand July - Aug 2018
« Reply #69 on: August 07, 2018, 10:38:50 AM »
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The parents of children killed at Sandy Hook were getting death threats thanks to Jones. Then he had the nerve to sue these parents last week. And he also threatened to shoot people. So yeah...he was banned because of these things.  Actually, I think he should be arrested for spreading lies that lead to these parents being harassed.
Alex Jones lacks all empathy and common sense, and is likely a sociopath. His ex wife has some interesting things to say about him, too.

Indeed. In Australia, we have legislation to curb the abuse of the Legal System by vindictive liars - although it is admittedly only used as a "last resort" because it essentially bans the person deemed a 'Vexatious Litigant' from accessing the Civil Justice system altogether and can even have implications for the individual if they happened to be the victim of a dreadful crime.

It seems a shame to me that the US appears to lack such recourse as AJ has (in addition to spreading patently ridiculous disinformation as pertained to his various historical scams) made the life of his ex and probably his own children a living nightmare by engaging in parental alienation against her with the help of a Judge whom I think it's fair to suspect of corruption.

Of course, suddenly banning him from most platforms will play to his martyr-complex "It's my Free Speech they want - they'll be coming for YOURS NEXT!". He'll never concede that he's been lying about those poor bloody parents from Sandy Hook (even if ordered to by a Court ruling) I imagine.
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Re: Molyneux tours Australia and New Zealand July - Aug 2018
« Reply #70 on: August 07, 2018, 02:57:44 PM »
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  As much as I dislike Jones, I fear trying to be like New Zealand will just make things worse.

Do you mean that trying to ban Jones will make things worse, or do you mean not banning him is worse?

I'm just confused because from what I can tell, the NZ government didn't do anything to shut down Molyneux and Southern, only expressed that they disagreed.

I meant that trying to ban him would be worse. 

Well, I haven't found any evidence the government shut them down.  I did see that some venues banned them from speaking.  That's of course, the right of the venue to do so.  So far it seems, only the free market has tried to prevent Stefan from speaking.

There was the whole visa thing, but they did allow both Stefan and Lauren to come in the end.   

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Re: Molyneux tours Australia and New Zealand July - Aug 2018
« Reply #71 on: August 07, 2018, 03:18:38 PM »
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  As much as I dislike Jones, I fear trying to be like New Zealand will just make things worse.

Do you mean that trying to ban Jones will make things worse, or do you mean not banning him is worse?

I'm just confused because from what I can tell, the NZ government didn't do anything to shut down Molyneux and Southern, only expressed that they disagreed.

I meant that trying to ban him would be worse. 

Well, I haven't found any evidence the government shut them down.  I did see that some venues banned them from speaking.  That's of course, the right of the venue to do so.  So far it seems, only the free market has tried to prevent Stefan from speaking.

There was the whole visa thing, but they did allow both Stefan and Lauren to come in the end.   

Molyneux makes the fallacy of composition fallacy there, assuming that because his speaking venue was cancelled, New Zealand is anti free speech. That self-imposed "philosopher" title becomes more and more evident.

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Re: Molyneux tours Australia and New Zealand July - Aug 2018
« Reply #72 on: August 07, 2018, 11:21:17 PM »
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Sorry to double post, but I didn't want to combine the two because I wanted to ask something unrelated here.

Anyone have any links to footage if there were crazy protestors at the Auckland event?  Because I can't find anything, because I don't think it exists, but if something does exist or if there's other footage floating around, would someone please direct me to it?

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I found a video here:  https://twitter.com/AmKlown/status/1025302431255547904


pics:






from: https://twitter.com/PeaceActionWGTN/status/1024860461102030849






from: https://twitter.com/CheckpointRNZ/status/1025260181880373248



from: https://twitter.com/farmgeek/status/1025294400790786050

Lauren Southern and Stefan Molyneux's speaking event cancelled
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2018/08/lauren-southern-and-stefan-molyneux-s-secret-speaking-location-revealed-as-the-powerstation.html


Cancelled: Alt-right activists Stefan Molyneux and Lauren Southern in limbo after venue backs out of hosting event
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12100627




from:  https://twitter.com/theirpeaceiswar/status/1025307675783880704







Lots more pics posted on twitter with hashtag #noroomforracism

https://twitter.com/sugarbat__/status/1025317922074329090
https://twitter.com/theirpeaceiswar/status/1025307675783880704
https://twitter.com/PeaceActionWGTN/status/1025288021975826432
https://twitter.com/invisiblemoose/status/1025263445384392704
https://twitter.com/zizabeph/status/1025261981350023168
https://twitter.com/Rebekah_Jaung/status/1025260898443657216
https://twitter.com/tina_plunkett/status/1025260722119303168
https://twitter.com/rg_jones/status/1025259822734688256
https://twitter.com/pastelprole/status/1025259684347801601
https://twitter.com/CrikaRika/status/1025258955591704577
https://twitter.com/owiebizaoui/status/1025258869134520320
https://twitter.com/daphlawless/status/1025258490892247041
https://twitter.com/moiraclunie/status/1025258294665928704
https://twitter.com/womensmtgpoint/status/1025257734734635008
https://twitter.com/lisametofox/status/1025257471563059202
https://twitter.com/tina_plunkett/status/1025256722875604992
https://twitter.com/CaitlinSnark/status/1025253054088601600
https://twitter.com/AKPeaceAction/status/1025251753342599168
https://twitter.com/AKPeaceAction/status/1025246695402217473
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Re: Molyneux tours Australia and New Zealand July - Aug 2018
« Reply #73 on: August 08, 2018, 12:46:27 AM »
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Molyneux got himself a new woman to exploit?

This IS a pattern with him.  He seems to like to get more accomplished women to echo his messages.

Christina was the credentialed therapist promoting his defoo and child development quackery.

BiggerThanBothOfMe was a much more intelligent academic that he got to podcast his ideas about women having inferior brains.

Now, he's got Lauren to parrot his white supremacist ideology.  In many ways, she is much more accomplished than him.  While I wouldn't go so far as to call her a real journalist, she did go outside and report stuff on location as it was happening instead of posturing in front of a white wall reading headlines into a camera and ranting by himself.  Also, she actually finished her "documentary", whereas Molyneux just kept talking about doing one for years mostly as an excuse to ask for large donations.


These past few months, the other podcasters like Sam Harris, Jordan Peterson, Eric Weinstein, and some well known academics are touring together all over the world.  These are people his age, but they obviously do not consider him their peer, or he'd be with them.
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Re: Molyneux tours Australia and New Zealand July - Aug 2018
« Reply #74 on: August 08, 2018, 02:11:49 AM »
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While I wouldn't go so far as to call her a real journalist, she did go outside and report stuff on location as it was happening instead of posturing in front of a white wall reading headlines into a camera and ranting by himself.

This reminds me of Molyneux's often repeated claim that the MSM is dead/dying, and people like himself and the larger alt-media is where people will get their news from in the future, but besides a very very few characters in that group (in fact I can only really think of Lauren Southern right now, but I'm sure there are one or two others) the overwhelming majority are studio based opinion shows, when Molyneux delivers 'news' it's generally one of two things, his personal opinion or simply repeating the MSM news of the day (and adding his own spin), there really isn't much in the way of genuine news gathering, Paul Joseph Watson isn't going to attend elections in Egypt or peace talks in South Korea, people like him and Molyneux simply read or watch the work of actual journalists, apply a bias driven filter of their own, repackage and call it 'the Truth'.

There's a difference between . . . . spending 8 months in South Korea, monitoring the talks - and surrounding politics - with the DPRK, talking to people on the ground, interviewing officials, talking to defectors and families with sister, mothers, children still trapped in the DPRK (and so on), and from all this creating a piece of journalism . . . and on the other-hand merely reading the resulting piece of journalism and giving your opinion on your Youtube channel, having never left your front room, let alone spent months on the Korean peninsula, Molyneux appears to think the latter is journalism.

Like you say at least Lauren Southern goes places and gathers information (whether you agree with her views or not), South Africa for example, whereas people like Molyneux will take MSM news reports, filter it through his own biases, having never set foot in the country, and call it 'the truth'.

These past few months, the other podcasters like Sam Harris, Jordan Peterson, Eric Weinstein, and some well known academics are touring together all over the world.  These are people his age, but they obviously do not consider him their peer, or he'd be with them.

The thing with them is they are not enthusiastic ameteurs like Molyneux, when Sam Harris discusses some aspect of cognition or pscycology it's informed by a doctorate in cognitive neuroscience, when Peterson discusses the drives and motives underpinning politics or power its informed by a doctorate in clinical psychology, the same cannot be said for Molyneux.