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Re: Molyneux tours Australia and New Zealand July - Aug 2018
« Reply #90 on: August 09, 2018, 02:27:47 AM »
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One of the shadiest part of the story is the hasty formation of a group calling itself "The Free Speech Coalition"...

Can you point in the general direction where to start investigating? 

I've done a fair bit of digging on Axiomatic and my findings are in the video, but I haven't gotten here yet. 
 
Also, the $90k.  Any word on a refund?  EDIT: I've been searching into that, the legal proceedings still appear to be ongoing, the "withdrawal" was likely the "urgent status" withdrawal of the case, but not the case itself. 
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Re: Molyneux tours Australia and New Zealand July - Aug 2018
« Reply #91 on: August 10, 2018, 07:47:59 AM »
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Seems like Axiomatic events (their event promoter) lied on their website about being 25 years experienced to get by the 3 year experienced promoter requirement for their visa.

Just took a look at them now and they erased that bit from their website. 

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Re: Molyneux tours Australia and New Zealand July - Aug 2018
« Reply #92 on: August 10, 2018, 12:10:00 PM »
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Some articles and posts:

...event on again
Canadian Right-wing speakers' Auckland tour is on, with a new venue
July 26 2018
https://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/105780606/canadian-rightwing-speakers-auckland-tour-is-on-with-a-new-venue


... legal action off, event a maybe
Right-wing speakers Lauren Southern and Stefan Molyneux cancel NZ trip
25 Jul, 2018 1:30pm

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12095069


Right-wing Canadian speakers' visit canned, legal action on back burner  video
14:51, July 25 2018
https://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/105744525/rightwing-canadian-speakers-visit-canned-legal-action-on-back-burner


Visa letters posted by Lauren Southern:
https://twitter.com/Lauren_Southern/status/1016290539925147648

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Re: Molyneux tours Australia and New Zealand July - Aug 2018
« Reply #93 on: August 11, 2018, 08:20:18 AM »
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First "podcast" episode being uploaded as we speak.  There was too much to cover because the story kept changing and I couldn't keep making changes to heavily edited videos so...in summary

The $68,000 police "bill" charged to Southern, was completely fabricated
The failed the original requirements for their NZ visas, not the government out to get them
And I go on a rant about Molyneux's ego

I'm off to enjoy my Sabbath, have a good weekend everyone.

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Re: Molyneux tours Australia and New Zealand July - Aug 2018
« Reply #94 on: August 11, 2018, 10:40:41 AM »
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The police bill seemed real.  I could be wrong.  There was a video of a police official talking about it at a press conference.  He said approximately $60,000.  I'll try to find it again.

Milo supposedly was billed $50,000 when he spoke at the same venue last year.  I can't verify how real that is.  It's hard to tell what is real or not relying on video clips, news articles, and tweets.

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Re: Molyneux tours Australia and New Zealand July - Aug 2018
« Reply #95 on: August 11, 2018, 06:30:27 PM »
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I looked through my old bookmarks and found it:

https://www.facebook.com/victoriapolice/videos/2115393891866069/

The subject of the event starts about 10 minutes in.
around 12:30 he says they invoiced the event organizers "around 60,000 dollars"

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Re: Molyneux tours Australia and New Zealand July - Aug 2018
« Reply #96 on: August 12, 2018, 12:35:26 AM »
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Sorry, my internet went down and the video failed to upload.

Re: bill, here's what I found regarding it.  The police bill was not an invoice, but was for a quote, and the quote was for two different dates and they were combined together (they only spoke at Victoria one day).  I also found they requested 130 police officers to be present, which seems extremely overblown to me.  Referencing private security quotes (and from my own experience having played at venues before), 12-15 security officers (not police) people per 1000 or so seemed much more reasonable, and assuming there's drugs, alcohol or controversy, double that. 

So unless they had over 20,000 people at their event (considering they hired private security as well), I don't see how this adds up.  To me it looks like much more of an outrage kind of misrepresentation, but I could be wrong though. 

But then if that was the legitimate number, it's all represented correctly anyway.  It's not like the police were gouging them, all the rates, hours and even the type of officers there were detailed in the quote. 

And thanks for the info, I'll probably change my video to suit.


EDIT After watching the video, this doesn't add up with what Australian news reported.  They reported on the 19th they were charged the $60k but that was the day before the event.  I suppose the quote was accurate but...I don't know, will have to do more digging. 
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