“...I need convincing that Molyneux even HAS philosophical views to debunk. He's mostly an endless daily vomiting of personal grievances mixed with justifications for treatment of others as worthless inferiors.” --Money Detonator
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Pop psychologist and recovery-movement darling John Bradshaw (from whom Molyneux appears to have “borrowed” many of his own psychology theories) advocates creating a “Family of Choice” to fill that need. Molyneux has never seriously counseled his followers on creating such a system. Perhaps that is because Molyneux himself appears to be perfectly content with only a wife, child, and the admiration of his followers. Perhaps it is because he realizes that any overt attempt to evolve the Freedomain Radio “community” into a Family of Choice for its members will tend to confirm the cult accusations that already surround it. Or perhaps Molyneux is like the progenitors of the many single-parent families straining the US welfare system—happy to “father” his new defooers but not willing to take responsibility!
Is it possible for someone to become completely enrolled in the philosophy of the community, to absorb its podcasts, defoo everyone, and yet still be so isolated that no one is aware when a tragedy such as this occurs?
Or—my darker thought—is the entire incident being kept off the forum simply because it might be bad for business?
At FDR, separation from both parents is actually an impersonal solution recommended to all (see this article as well) even if you claim “but my parents were nice,” the separation is often achieved by “fogging” or even lying to the family
First of all, thank you for taking the time to write it and for treating the content with such care, as is necessary with a thing like this. I think you did well.
Quote from: Black Swan on July 05, 2012, 06:48:53 PM First of all, thank you for taking the time to write it and for treating the content with such care, as is necessary with a thing like this. I think you did well. My sentiments exactly.
Such an excellent article! Seriously, one of my favourites of yours I saw one little error with it though. Quote At FDR, separation from both parents is actually an impersonal solution recommended to all (see this article as well) even if you claim “but my parents were nice,” the separation is often achieved by “fogging” or even lying to the family Firstly, "fogging" is always something they are victims of. They see fogging as a defence mechanism of the narcissist. The second part you may be right about, but I wasn't sure what you were referring to when you said "lying to the family", as the general idea is that you're honest with your parents, and then you leave them once you realise that they will not change from their evil ways in favour of your shiny (bald) new world-view. Am thinking though that lying in order to escape the family would be a justifiable approach though, considering they're dangerous evil-doers who may well need to be manipulated to be escaped from.
Speaking of podcasts, there was one (I don't remember the number) in which Stef said essentially that if some people realized what they had done, the only possible result would be suicide.
I'm not even sure how you can equate Stefan's teachings with being responsible. Suicide is the end of a long time of crying out for help. Most people try to get help from family and friends first, a lifetime pursuit for some before the feelings of helplessness sap the will to live. In today's economy what Stefan offers is priceless and offers many techniques to deal with a life of abuse and neglect. Stefan himself recommends therapy often to his audience. If I were to take him up on this recommendation. Then the psychiatrist prescribes a anti depressant that allows me to act on my suicidal ideation who's fault is it that I commit suicide ?
I'm not even sure how you can equate Stefan's teachings with being responsible.
Suicide is the end of a long time of crying out for help. Most people try to get help from family and friends first, a lifetime pursuit for some before the feelings of helplessness sap the will to live.
In today's economy what Stefan offers is priceless and offers many techniques to deal with a life of abuse and neglect.
Stefan himself recommends therapy often to his audience.
If I were to take him up on this recommendation. Then the psychiatrist prescribes a anti depressant that allows me to act on my suicidal ideation who's fault is it that I commit suicide ?
I'm not even sure how you can equate Stefan's teachings with being responsible. Suicide is the end of a long time of crying out for help. Most people try to get help from family and friends first, a lifetime pursuit for some before the feelings of helplessness sap the will to live.
In today's economy what Stefan offers is priceless and offers many techniques to deal with a life of abuse and neglect. Stefan himself recommends therapy often to his audience. If I were to take him up on this recommendation. Then the psychiatrist prescribes a anti depressant that allows me to act on my suicidal ideation who's fault is it that I commit suicide ?