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Peak Molyneux ?
« on: May 02, 2019, 11:57:46 AM »
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Looks like we've passed peak Molyneux, his Youtube total-views-per-month* figures have shown a fairly steep decline since late 2017, that's ~18 months of what looks to be social-media free-fall, extrapolating the data forward sees him hitting rock bottom in 6-12 months or so . . . but I highly doubt that would actually happen, if his decline in popularity continues he'll likely just bottom-out to a lower (but maintained) viewership.

Maybe the upcoming US election cycle will give him a lift, but I suspect that market is now saturated and competition for views off the back of the US political circus will be less easy to come by than last time (sorry, did I say "views off the back of the US political circus" I meant to say "philosophy" ;)).

The purple dots are actual monthly data points . . . .  I've deliberately left JULY-2018 to OCT-2018 blank as the data is erroneous - every now and again Youtube adjusts their system and this can produce anomalies - in this case Molyneux's count was -4.15M views, literally negative views, his view count was 4M below 0, which is clearly the product of and adjustment (and it'd be unfair to Molyneux to include this data point as it'd make his figures look even worse) . . . the orange line is my 'best fit' trajectory.
*total-views-per-month figures from Socialblade social media statistics and analytics:
https://socialblade.com/youtube/user/stefbot






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Re: Peak Molyneux ?
« Reply #1 on: May 02, 2019, 03:28:04 PM »
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I noticed he said something about his views dropping, and of course blamed it on some nefarious "conspiracy to silence those who speak the truth". Then begged for more money so he can keep talking in front of a camera. You're right about the political commentary market on YouTube being saturated, and Molyneux doesn't even come close to the views the top channels in that area get.

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Re: Peak Molyneux ?
« Reply #2 on: May 02, 2019, 05:04:25 PM »
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I noticed he said something about his views dropping, and of course blamed it on some nefarious "conspiracy to silence those who speak the truth".

Although I do think Silicon Valley (Twitter, Youtube/Google, Facebook . . . ) leans towards the left, Molyneux tends to personalise and catastrophize these issues into civilisation ending pogroms, shouting into the camera and foaming at the mouth about conservative voices being snuffed out and so on . . . but oddly people like Ben Shapiro and Rebel Media and Jordan Peterson (and so on) are managing to grow and prosper in the very same politically hostile environment where Molyneux is being 'oppressed'.

This all reminds me of his notion that he failed to become a success in publishing because of the (to steal from your post . . ) "nefarious conspiracy to silence those who speak the truth" . . . but again, oddly, someone like Anne Coulter (amongst many others who are unashamedly right leaning) manages to repeatedly top the best seller list . . . . over and over again, and for decades now.

It's strange how all these nefarious plots seem only to be aimed at Molyneux ?  ;D


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Re: Peak Molyneux ?
« Reply #3 on: May 02, 2019, 05:27:05 PM »
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It's strange how all these nefarious plots seem only to be aimed at Molyneux ?  ;D

Haha, yes. Aimed at "truth tellers" in general but really specifically at him because he's the reincarnation of Socrates, as he likes to point out in not-so-subtle hints to his followers. He's unable to countenance his own ineptitude and incompetence despite other conservative voices doing well, I suppose.

While it's true that Silicon Valley leans left, I believe that Peterson, Coulter, et.al have more invested in their putative political/social beliefs as a business, than principles they truly hold.
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Re: Peak Molyneux ?
« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2019, 06:37:24 PM »
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Haha, yes. Aimed at "truth tellers" in general but really specifically at him because he's the reincarnation of Socrates . . .

"They" fear this new Socrates, if they were to give him free reign to promulgate his views then they know that UPB could bring down 'the system'.  :)

I believe that Peterson, Coulter, et.al have more invested in their putative political/social beliefs as a business, than principles they truly hold.

What is this belief based on ?

I'm somewhat cynical, but it's based on Plato's dialogues dealing with sophists. He describes them as going after truth for a price. With the exception of perhaps Shapiro (because he is a religious Jew), I view the rest of them in this light.

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Re: Peak Molyneux ?
« Reply #5 on: May 02, 2019, 07:58:20 PM »
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I'm somewhat cynical, but it's based on Plato's dialogues dealing with sophists. He describes them as going after truth for a price. With the exception of perhaps Shapiro (because he is a religious Jew), I view the rest of them in this light.

Sounds kinda' circular to me, or at the least begging-the-question ?


1) Peterson, Coulter and Shapiro are opportunists who don't credibly subscribe to the ideas they say they do.

2) Why ?

3) Because Plato says that people like them are opportunists who don't credibly subscribe to the ideas they say they do.



Why do you think Plato's view on sophists apply to these people ?

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Re: Peak Molyneux ?
« Reply #6 on: May 02, 2019, 08:32:18 PM »
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I'm somewhat cynical, but it's based on Plato's dialogues dealing with sophists. He describes them as going after truth for a price. With the exception of perhaps Shapiro (because he is a religious Jew), I view the rest of them in this light.

Sounds kinda' circular to me, or at the least begging-the-question ?


1) Peterson, Coulter and Shapiro are opportunists who don't credibly subscribe to the ideas they say they do.

2) Why ?

3) Because Plato says that people like them are opportunists who don't credibly subscribe to the ideas they say they do.



Why do you think Plato's view on sophists apply to these people ?


I wouldn't put Shapiro in the same camp in principle because his religion is conservative in nature. And I'm not saying necessarily that Coulter, Peterson, etc. didn't hold conservative views before they had any media attention. What I'm really getting at is that being a big name conservative (or even a lesser known one, ahem, Molyneux) has enormous business potential in today's climate. And that espousing these views and "destroying liberals" a la facts facts don't care about your feelings brings in a lot of money whether you actually believe what you're saying or not.

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Re: Peak Molyneux ?
« Reply #7 on: May 02, 2019, 09:23:33 PM »
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"What I'm really getting at is that being a big name conservative (or even a lesser known one, ahem, Molyneux) has enormous business potential in today's climate."

Yes, agreed, being a big name conservative or a big name liberal or a big name centrist (and every other point on - and off - the political spectrum) means there's money to be made in today's political-online-social-media-frenzied-climate.

And that espousing these views and "destroying liberals" a la facts facts don't care about your feelings brings in a lot of money whether you actually believe what you're saying or not.

Agreed, 'there's money in them thar hills', but I was just curious as to what had informed your belief that Peterson, Coulter (and so on) have more invested in their beliefs as a business rather than them holding those beliefs on principle ?

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Re: Peak Molyneux ?
« Reply #8 on: May 02, 2019, 09:59:50 PM »
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"What I'm really getting at is that being a big name conservative (or even a lesser known one, ahem, Molyneux) has enormous business potential in today's climate."

Yes, agreed, being a big name conservative or a big name liberal or a big name centrist (and every other point on - and off - the political spectrum) means there's money to be made in today's political-online-social-media-frenzied-climate.

And that espousing these views and "destroying liberals" a la facts facts don't care about your feelings brings in a lot of money whether you actually believe what you're saying or not.

Agreed, 'there's money in them thar hills', but I was just curious as to what had informed your belief that Peterson, Coulter (and so on) have more invested in their beliefs as a business rather than them holding those beliefs on principle ?

Take Peterson, for example. He recently had a debate with the philosopher Slavoj Zizek, where the topic was Marxism. He came into it admitting that he had not read the communist manifesto since his teen years, and his knowledge of Marx's many other writings seems to be almost non-existent. He trotted out his same points against his understanding of the manifesto in the beginning but went no deeper. The debate ultimately went in another direction away from Marx, but my point is that Peterson did not care to really understand Marx, because he knows that his same talking points against the manifesto play to his conservative audience and are his bread and butter.

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Re: Peak Molyneux ?
« Reply #9 on: May 03, 2019, 06:39:33 PM »
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The debate ultimately went in another direction away from Marx, but my point is that Peterson did not care to really understand Marx, because he knows that his same talking points against the manifesto play to his conservative audience and are his bread and butter.

Hmmm . . . maybe ? But you seem to be mind-reading a little ? Who knows, certainly not me, you could well be right for all I know, but without knowing the process with which you arrived at your knowledge I can't really comment, broadly speaking I completely agree with you that taking a political position (the more pronounced the better) is a viable career move these days, but I've no way of knowing (beyond the obvious) who is or isn't genuine, my own position is that Coulter and Peterson (and so on) hold the views they say they hold, and any money and success that follows their popularity is a product of their efforts rather than the goal, but of course I might be wrong (and it wouldn't be the first time).

Anyhow, back to the main-course . . . Molyneux's latest video is pure unadultarated tabloid click-bait . . . .  ;D



I'm going to guess that as his popularity wanes his narcissistic bent (in my amateur non-clinical opinion) - his attraction to recognition / admiration / validation - will likely lead him to produce increasingly tabloid click-bait  . . . I mean, honestly, he really isn't too far off "My mother ate my dog!!" territory as it is, imagine him trying to stay relevant 12 months further into a declining profile, I'm going to put my money on naked podcasts + human sacrifice + Mike returns (but in ghost form, spoken to by Molyneux via a ouija board) and a weekly raffle (whoever sends in the most money wins a signed copy of the "popular" "philosophy" book 'UPB').
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Re: Peak Molyneux ?
« Reply #10 on: May 03, 2019, 08:44:59 PM »
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The debate ultimately went in another direction away from Marx, but my point is that Peterson did not care to really understand Marx, because he knows that his same talking points against the manifesto play to his conservative audience and are his bread and butter.

Hmmm . . . maybe ? But you seem to be mind-reading a little ? Who knows, certainly not me, you could well be right for all I know, but without knowing the process with which you arrived at your knowledge I can't really comment, broadly speaking I completely agree with you that taking a political position (the more pronounced the better) is a viable career move these days, but I've no way of knowing (beyond the obvious) who is or isn't genuine, my own position is that Coulter and Peterson (and so on) hold the views they say they hold, and any money and success that follows their popularity is a product of their efforts rather than the goal, but of course I might be wrong (and it wouldn't be the first time).

Anyhow, back to the main-course . . . Molyneux's latest video is pure unadultarated tabloid click-bait . . . .  ;D



I'm going to guess that as his popularity wanes his narcissistic bent (in my amateur non-clinical opinion) - his attraction to recognition / admiration / validation - will likely lead him to produce increasingly tabloid click-bait  . . . I mean, honestly, he really isn't too far off "My mother ate my dog!!" territory as it is, imagine him trying to stay relevant 12 months further into a declining profile, I'm going to put my money on naked podcasts + human sacrifice + Mike returns (but in ghost form, spoken to by Molyneux via a ouija board) and a weekly raffle (whoever sends in the most money wins a signed copy of the "popular" "philosophy" book 'UPB').

Suffice to say, I believe the love of money trumps the love of truth. Ha, you're probably right that Molyneux will make increasingly more tabloid-esque, edgy videos. He might even really try to make a crappy separate channel of him playing video games in a desperate bid for more viewers.

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Re: Peak Molyneux ?
« Reply #11 on: May 03, 2019, 10:09:40 PM »
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He might even really try to make a crappy separate channel of him playing video games in a desperate bid for more viewers.

Oh Jesus ! I didn't even make that connection ! I just thought the Minecraft streaming thing was just another of his crappy 'media ideas' (like 'The Daily Argument with Stefan Molyneux . . . or . . . Thought Bites . . . and so on), but maybe in light of his declining popularity he's going to make a go at being the earth's first ever gaming "philosopher" ?  ;D

 

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« Reply #12 on: May 03, 2019, 11:05:52 PM »
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He might even really try to make a crappy separate channel of him playing video games in a desperate bid for more viewers.

Oh Jesus ! I didn't even make that connection ! I just thought the Minecraft streaming thing was just another of his crappy 'media ideas' (like 'The Daily Argument with Stefan Molyneux . . . or . . . Thought Bites . . . and so on), but maybe in light of his declining popularity he's going to make a go at being the earth's first ever gaming "philosopher" ?  ;D

He alluded to such a possibility a while ago on Twitter. But the tepid response he got from his Minecraft videos might have changed his mind hehe.

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« Reply #13 on: May 04, 2019, 01:18:04 PM »
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He alluded to such a possibility a while ago on Twitter. But the tepid response he got from his Minecraft videos might have changed his mind hehe.

It sort of shows you where he is at the moment, he seems to be struggling somewhat for a direction ? His videos are all over the place . . . news cycle stuff* "Notre Dame Burns !" . . . Spinger-esque tabloid scandal* "My Mother is a Porn Star !!" . . . . "Why am I still a Virgin !!!??" . . . . . political gossip* "Cohen testifies!" . . . dietry advice for people living in the country next to him* "The Modern American Diet, The Ultimate Pyramid Scheme" . . . etc etc.

(*"philosophy")

Can you imagine Jordan Peterson, Coulter, Sam Harris  . . . or any serious figure, from the left or the right (or anywhere inbetween) thinking that this is the time to start a Minecraft channel ? Lol.

Jordan Peterson: "The definitive figure in the social organization of form representations within the archetype paradigm is always the collective authority, who knows where and when this might emerge, that is in part due to the incorporeal nature of the very thing that we raise up to occupy this false opening . . . oh yeah, and I'm starting a Fortnite channel"
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« Reply #14 on: May 05, 2019, 01:33:03 PM »
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He alluded to such a possibility a while ago on Twitter. But the tepid response he got from his Minecraft videos might have changed his mind hehe.

It sort of shows you where he is at the moment, he seems to be struggling somewhat for a direction ? His videos are all over the place . . . news cycle stuff* "Notre Dame Burns !" . . . Spinger-esque tabloid scandal* "My Mother is a Porn Star !!" . . . . "Why am I still a Virgin !!!??" . . . . . political gossip* "Cohen testifies!" . . . dietry advice for people living in the country next to him* "The Modern American Diet, The Ultimate Pyramid Scheme" . . . etc etc.

(*"philosophy")

Can you imagine Jordan Peterson, Coulter, Sam Harris  . . . or any serious figure, from the left or the right (or anywhere inbetween) thinking that this is the time to start a Minecraft channel ? Lol.

Jordan Peterson: "The definitive figure in the social organization of form representations within the archetype paradigm is always the collective authority, who knows where and when this might emerge, that is in part due to the incorporeal nature of the very thing that we raise up to occupy this false opening . . . oh yeah, and I'm starting a Fortnite channel"

"My Brother Was Bat Boy And Mom Kept Him Locked In The Attic!" Haha it would hard to imagine them doing that. On a more serious note, I wonder if it ever occurs to Molyneux that he's seen as a complete joke by any serious intellectual that bothers to pay him any attention, or he really does believe that just having followers means he's doing important work. I say that because (apart from his cult leader/con man behavior) it's obvious he wants to be an intellectual but has no idea how to go about it.