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Is Stefan Molyneux a psychopath?
« on: March 20, 2014, 11:18:07 AM »
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After watching a lot of his podcasts, I noticed he has several traits associated with psychopathy, superficial charm and pathologic egocentricity being the most notable. Do you think he Stefan could be a psychopath?

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Re: Is Stefan Molyneux a psychopath?
« Reply #1 on: March 20, 2014, 03:20:58 PM »
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While it's possible, there are a lot of other potential explanations.

I get the sense that he thought, particularly early on in FDR, that he had special insight, based on his readings of Ayn Rand and Alice Miller and so on, into how his problems were caused and solved which he then thought very simplistically must apply to everyone else (not that they actually applied to him in the first place), and he then started to spread this amazing knowledge that was sure to change the world.

While that's not a picture of mental health, I don't think it's psychopathic in particular.

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Re: Is Stefan Molyneux a psychopath?
« Reply #2 on: March 20, 2014, 05:15:59 PM »
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While traits associated with psychopathy can be found in almost everyone. it is not how you diagnose psychopathy.

In , my opinion Stefan is more like woman by nature, living in world of delusions, where he is trying to invite other people.
I do not see evil intent in what he does, it is more like simple stupidity.

Stefan seem to be aware about reality and he makes quite good videos explaining what is happening in the world, however prefers to ignore that and live in his delusions.

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Re: Is Stefan Molyneux a psychopath?
« Reply #3 on: March 20, 2014, 06:26:53 PM »
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Stefan never seamed stupid to me, which is why I considered the possibility he was just simply dishonest and not actually valuing truth, which would make sense if he was a psychopath. But I am not a psychologist, so I could be wrong. I appreciate your input.

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Re: Is Stefan Molyneux a psychopath?
« Reply #4 on: March 20, 2014, 06:27:42 PM »
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He stated in a long-ago podcast that he doesn't think his "insight" is simply a narcissistic delusion but rather that he is "right" and has discovered the "real world". The podcast in question (663 "Unlearning") is perhaps worth a listen to see how completely Stefan has confused (I think) his poetic meanderings with the external world. Narcissism seems to me to be the psychological trait that best defines him. From my limited knowledge this condition has many hues, ranging from someone who is rather self-obsessed but otherwise perfectly harmless (I think most people have this to some degree) to a person completely lacking the ability to empathise with others and who sees them instead as aspects of his or her own personality. According to Alexander Lowen, a pathological narcissist is like a child entombed in a cell with mirrored walls - they don't actually interact with the world at all. I think this extreme case is called narcissistic personality disorder or NPD. This said, NPD, psycopathy and most other "personality disorders" are little more than labels based on observation of behavior and their usefulness is limited imo, but everything I have read about NPD leads me to conclude that Stefan offers a textbook example of what is meant by that expression. Somewhere on this site there is a link to a questionnaire that leads to the same conclusion when compiling it with Stefan's personality traits (as far as we can identify them). I think a rational individual would be far more circumspect before boldy assuming that he or she is alone in having discovered the key that unlocks the mystery of human happiness and virtue and acting on that premise while dismissing or disregarding the inevitable deleterious effects of such action (because reality, by its nature, can never conform to our fond imaginings - at least not all the time).

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Re: Is Stefan Molyneux a psychopath?
« Reply #5 on: March 21, 2014, 12:20:24 AM »
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Do you think he Stefan could be a psychopath?
While I don't have much expertise in this field, so I can't tell whether he is, what I can tell is that Stefan Molyneux thinks he's a psychopath. I will quote a post I wrote earlier on the subject:

I remember listening to one of Stefan's videos on Psychopaths and listening to him for almost an hour how he describes himself. I was thinking at the time to write a transcript of the video with an explanation to each paragraph on why it applies 100% to Stefan. Didn't have time to do it. Here is the video:
The Fascists That Surround You - Part 2: Sociopaths

Just listen to the first few minutes... you'll hear many "sociopaths/psychopaths do this and that, just the way you and I don't"... I think his subconscious was doing its job by setting himself apart as a category from his listeners ("you"). The way he just describes himself throughout the video is hilarious.
"Everything that's rich and deep is crap."
-Stefan Molyneux

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Re: Is Stefan Molyneux a psychopath?
« Reply #6 on: March 22, 2014, 01:42:04 PM »
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While traits associated with psychopathy can be found in almost everyone. it is not how you diagnose psychopathy.

In , my opinion Stefan is more like woman by nature, living in world of delusions, where he is trying to invite other people.
I do not see evil intent in what he does, it is more like simple stupidity.

Are you saying that women live in a world of delusions? If so on what can you possibly base this?


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Re: Is Stefan Molyneux a psychopath?
« Reply #7 on: March 22, 2014, 04:43:05 PM »
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Are you saying that women live in a world of delusions? If so on what can you possibly base this?
Yes women live in delusions because they like to build their world as imitation.

lets take male escort services: females pay for nice words and imitation of love. Why anyone  would ever pay for lie? 

From my own experience: my mother wants me to remember birthdays or things like that, but I tell hr that birthdays are meaningless to me sure I can set some alarm clock on my computer and I can make some act, but why shroud I lie to my mother that I care about something I do not care at all?  and yet she wants that act even if she knows that it is act only.
same is with my sister: If she asks question and I tell what I really think, she sometimes complains that i should not say that.
and whats more interesting she does not like to even know uncomfortable truth, so she simply tries to avoid certain information.

It is common knowledge that you are always supposed to lie to women if you want to get their love.
If woman asks do I looks good you cant tell her truth or even make constructive remarks how to make improvements, she usually just wants affirmation.


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Re: Is Stefan Molyneux a psychopath?
« Reply #8 on: March 22, 2014, 05:15:34 PM »
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Are you saying that women live in a world of delusions? If so on what can you possibly base this?
Yes women live in delusions because they like to build their world as imitation.

lets take male escort services: females pay for nice words and imitation of love. Why anyone  would ever pay for lie? 

From my own experience: my mother wants me to remember birthdays or things like that, but I tell hr that birthdays are meaningless to me sure I can set some alarm clock on my computer and I can make some act, but why shroud I lie to my mother that I care about something I do not care at all?  and yet she wants that act even if she knows that it is act only.
same is with my sister: If she asks question and I tell what I really think, she sometimes complains that i should not say that.
and whats more interesting she does not like to even know uncomfortable truth, so she simply tries to avoid certain information.

It is common knowledge that you are always supposed to lie to women if you want to get their love.
If woman asks do I looks good you cant tell her truth or even make constructive remarks how to make improvements, she usually just wants affirmation.
You've based your opinion of 50% of the population on two members of your own family and myth which you call 'common knowledge'. It seems like you don't have much experience of women, and you have no empirical evidence to back up your position.

I can't speak for any of the other females on here but you've certainly managed to alienate me.

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Re: Is Stefan Molyneux a psychopath?
« Reply #9 on: March 22, 2014, 05:49:10 PM »
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I am do not have much to do with women, however everyone else on internet confirms what I say here and I see that many men agree with that.

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I can't speak for any of the other females on here but you've certainly managed to alienate me.
Yet another confirmation of what i said: just say something uncomfortable to female and she will get into rage. You do not care about truth either, all you care is your illusion.
If you were man you probably attempted to prove my wrong or criticize my claims somehow, but as woman you just reject source of uncomfortable information.

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Re: Is Stefan Molyneux a psychopath?
« Reply #10 on: March 22, 2014, 05:57:28 PM »
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I am do not have much to do with women, however everyone else on internet confirms what I say here and I see that many men agree with that.

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I can't speak for any of the other females on here but you've certainly managed to alienate me.
Yet another confirmation of what i said: just say something uncomfortable to female and she will get into rage. You do not care about truth either, all you care is your illusion.
If you were man you probably attempted to prove my wrong or criticize my claims somehow, but as woman you just reject source of uncomfortable information.
You say I do not care about truths and a man would try to prove you wrong. It is you who made the claim, so it is you who needs to prove it, not me who needs to disprove it. If I were to tell you that fairies exist, would the onus on you to disprove it? No, the onus would be on me to prove it. How can you disprove it?

You say I reject a source of uncomfortable information - there is no source of information, just your opinion.

Does it occur to you that you may be the one who is delusional?

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Re: Is Stefan Molyneux a psychopath?
« Reply #11 on: March 22, 2014, 06:20:36 PM »
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You say I do not care about truths and a man would try to prove you wrong. It is you who made the claim, so it is you who needs to prove it, not me who needs to disprove it. If I were to tell you that fairies exist, would the onus on you to disprove it? No, the onus would be on me to prove it. How can you disprove it?
I proved my claim in a way i can do it. You have right to disagree.
But the problem is that you do not care about any proof of disproof. All you cares is about your comfort.

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You say I reject a source of uncomfortable information - there is no source of information, just your opinion.
So whats wrong with my opinion?  Am I not allowed to have certain opinions?

What If some woman asks me If she is fat and ugly, and i will tell her that yes I think she is fat and ugly. How telling the truth will end, I guess she will not be pleased.

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Does it occur to you that you may be the one who is delusional
I wonder if you will ever find more disillusioned person on earth than I am.

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Re: Is Stefan Molyneux a psychopath?
« Reply #12 on: March 23, 2014, 11:26:38 PM »
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You say I do not care about truths and a man would try to prove you wrong. It is you who made the claim, so it is you who needs to prove it, not me who needs to disprove it. If I were to tell you that fairies exist, would the onus on you to disprove it? No, the onus would be on me to prove it. How can you disprove it?
I proved my claim in a way i can do it. You have right to disagree.
But the problem is that you do not care about any proof of disproof. All you cares is about your comfort.

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You say I reject a source of uncomfortable information - there is no source of information, just your opinion.
So whats wrong with my opinion?  Am I not allowed to have certain opinions?

What If some woman asks me If she is fat and ugly, and i will tell her that yes I think she is fat and ugly. How telling the truth will end, I guess she will not be pleased.


There is nothing wrong with your opinion, Omega.  The problem is when you conflate it with fact.  Elucidated has correctly pointed out that you have not provided any facts to back up your opinion. 

Nor should you conflate being honest with the truth.  You may believe something and state what you think is true, but that does not make it the truth.

To use your example; if a woman asks you if you think she is fat and you believe that she is and tell her that you think she is, then you are expressing your opinion honestly.  If that woman went to a doctor and had her body fat percentage measured and it was below the threshold for being overweight, then the facts are that she is not fat. 



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Re: Is Stefan Molyneux a psychopath?
« Reply #13 on: March 24, 2014, 07:55:15 AM »
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There is nothing wrong with your opinion, Omega.  The problem is when you conflate it with fact.  Elucidated has correctly pointed out that you have not provided any facts to back up your opinion. 
I provided facts to back up my opinion.
and as i said I don't mind disagreement, Elucidated is trying to disallow me to express myself because what I say makes her uncomfortable.

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Nor should you conflate being honest with the truth.  You may believe something and state what you think is true, but that does not make it the truth.

being honest is telling truth by definition. Absolute truth does not exist entirely. It is always someone's opinion.

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To use your example; if a woman asks you if you think she is fat and you believe that she is and tell her that you think she is, then you are expressing your opinion honestly.  If that woman went to a doctor and had her body fat percentage measured and it was below the threshold for being overweight, then the facts are that she is not fat.

statement that she is fat is not same as medical overweight, fat means subjectively fat and if woman is asking you if she is fat, she is asking how you see her, not that she requests to measure her body mass index with your eyes.

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Re: Is Stefan Molyneux a psychopath?
« Reply #14 on: March 24, 2014, 10:59:42 AM »
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Hmm Omega I have to say that, while you have every right to your opinion, it seems pretty naive of you to equate your extremely limited experience as fact, and not expect at least some backlash. Especially when your experience is based off two women, both in your family, and 'the opinion of the internet' (which you know, is totally infallible)

I will say, in the spirit of being fair, that you are partially right, there are some women who are delusional, or don't like uncomfortable truths, but the same can be said for men.

I would point out men who inject themselves with special compounds for the sole purpose of inflating their muscles. Some think it looks good (though personally I feel it looks utterly disgusting) but it is the perfect example of creating an illusion of something that isn't really there. (http://newsok.com/bodybuilder-admits-his-29-inch-biceps-are-fake/article/3942419)

Also, from my personal experience (which includes women outside my family) I have met some wonderful women who have no problem with direct truths. One particular example is my friend who is a singer song-writer. I regularly discuss some of her songs and lyrics while they are a work in progress, and if there is a part I don't like, I tell her. When this happens, she doesn't complain, or ignore it, she examines the part I don't like, and does her best to address whatever the problem is. And this is just one example of many other women I've had the pleasure of knowing from around the world who are equally capably of handing 'uncomfortable truths'.

The thing is, in my opinion, being delusional is a human trait, equally likely in men as it is for women. It's something I've done in my life, it's something you have likely done in your life, and trying to claim it is a particular trait of just one sex is utterly baseless, offensive, and out right stupid.

But hey, that's just my opinion.