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« Reply #165 on: June 30, 2014, 09:50:02 AM »
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We have this thing called day care.
that thing is not free and very expensive, someone needs to pay for day care.

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Women shouldn't have sex outside of marriage .
this is outdated idea, modem medicine gives you lots of options to abort or avoid pregnancy safely and at low cost. Sex is not an issue anymore. Every child who is born is choice.

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and considering 70% of women innate divorce who's problem is that?  Unless there's violence involved women should think twice of splitting up
This is entirely different issue, because some women simply abuse system, to enslave men against their will.

There are legitimate reasons for divorce, however I believe that in any other case, divorce cannot be initiated by woman or man alone, both must agree and split their assets and negotiate child support and if any of them refuses divorce must be impossible.

If you simply free men from child support it will be equally unfair towards women, because man will be allowed to dump woman without significant penalty just like woman is allowed to dump man today.

I think we should not behave like those selfish feminists and think  about issues of both sides.

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Re: But Feminists ARE Socialists with panties!
« Reply #166 on: June 30, 2014, 12:22:07 PM »
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We have this thing called day care.
that thing is not free and very expensive, someone needs to pay for day care.

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Women shouldn't have sex outside of marriage .
this is outdated idea, modem medicine gives you lots of options to abort or avoid pregnancy safely and at low cost. Sex is not an issue anymore. Every child who is born is choice.

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and considering 70% of women innate divorce who's problem is that?  Unless there's violence involved women should think twice of splitting up
This is entirely different issue, because some women simply abuse system, to enslave men against their will.

There are legitimate reasons for divorce, however I believe that in any other case, divorce cannot be initiated by woman or man alone, both must agree and split their assets and negotiate child support and if any of them refuses divorce must be impossible.

If you simply free men from child support it will be equally unfair towards women, because man will be allowed to dump woman without significant penalty just like woman is allowed to dump man today.

I think we should not behave like those selfish feminists and think  about issues of both sides.

The problem is courts isn't fair.  A woman can ask for more and usually get it.  Most men are happy to provide child support but when some get greedy and the courts allow it to happen.  I don't know European laws but here in Canada a woman can clean you out with child support.  In the end if the guy can barely afford to pay his bills he will be forced to quit job, so she will be left without anymore money in the first place.  I have heard of few cases like this.



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« Reply #167 on: June 30, 2014, 02:14:27 PM »
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Women shouldn't have sex outside of marriage and considering 70% of women innate divorce who's problem is that?  Unless there's violence involved women should think twice of splitting up.

If women had higher standards and don't divorce out on a whim many men wouldn't need to contribute to child support.  In divorce there's split of assets anyways, unless there's massive debt there will be enough to live on.

I don't know if you actually thought about what you wrote before you wrote it, but that first sentence is very sexist.  If WOMEN, shouldn't have sex outside of marriage, then MEN should also stop having sex outside of marriage, unless they are gay and you're not anti sex per say just against all forms of possibly procreative sex.  Not to mention this is a very 1950's attitude.

Personally, the thing I find the most disgusting about FDR is the way that somehow he has decided women are to blame for everything wrong with society.  Bad men exist because some woman made a baby with a bad man who passed that onto his kid.  Child abuse by the man is still somehow the woman's fault for choosing the abusive man.  But somehow men get the pass when they chose a woman who manipulates them and gets pregnant on purpose without consent or who has a kid with someone else but tells the guy with more $ that it's his baby.  Why are women responsible for who they chose to have sex with but men are off the hook somehow?  Yes, he tells men who call in to choose better and counsels them how to find a quality women, but only after basically mocking women in general for a long time without ever qualifying his statements with "some women", which puts me in the same box as those manipulative bit$hes.  Men should be held just as accountable for their choice of women as men are held accountable for their choice of men.  Anything else is not EQUALITY.

Having just realized I had became a victim of verbal abuse within my relationship that just ended, I think there can be many forms of abuse other than physical that can be very damaging to families.  Not only that, but I had NO IDEA he was such an awful person deep down since he was actually quite kind and sweet and caring for much of the first year of our relationship, which is why I fell in love with him.  I'm still not really sure who he really is and I kinda hope it's just the FDR cult and not that he's really a mean person.  I don't like the idea that I fell so deeply in love with a meanie and had no idea.  It is just as bad for a child to be raised in a household with one parent constantly attacking the other verbally as for the child to witness physical abuse.  I was miserable in that relationship once it became verbally abusive and I would NEVER raise a chid in that environment.

Day care is indeed incredibly expensive in the USA, though in other countries with more socialized stuff it is often subsidized to be much more reasonable, but the anarchy folks won't like that.  Where I live the cost of day care is more than the cost of my mortgage!  Not to mention that I don't really think it's best for children to put them into daycare right away, though good quality daycare I think is good for children once they are toddlers and can learn to socialize with other children.  In hunter gatherer tribes once kids are old enough they spend more of their time with other children than with their parents.

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Re: But Feminists ARE Socialists with panties!
« Reply #168 on: June 30, 2014, 03:31:47 PM »
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Women shouldn't have sex outside of marriage and considering 70% of women innate divorce who's problem is that?  Unless there's violence involved women should think twice of splitting up.

If women had higher standards and don't divorce out on a whim many men wouldn't need to contribute to child support.  In divorce there's split of assets anyways, unless there's massive debt there will be enough to live on.

I don't know if you actually thought about what you wrote before you wrote it, but that first sentence is very sexist.  If WOMEN, shouldn't have sex outside of marriage, then MEN should also stop having sex outside of marriage, unless they are gay and you're not anti sex per say just against all forms of possibly procreative sex.  Not to mention this is a very 1950's attitude.



It's just as sexist to expect men to approach women to ask for dates and pay for dates.  Also men need to ask permission to have sex.  Men are told consent is needed before having sex.
Is it sexist to say my choice my body?  Why don't men have a say in abortion or not?  Not that I agree with abortion.
It's also sexist that claiming men are violent ones in domestic violence but no that's not even mention with feminist when almost half the women initiate the violence with violence.
It boggles my mind people say someone is sexist when their own gender is sexist also.

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Re: But Feminists ARE Socialists with panties!
« Reply #169 on: June 30, 2014, 07:02:44 PM »
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I don't know if you actually thought about what you wrote before you wrote it, but that first sentence is very sexist.
While I partially agree with you here, but we must still take into account fact that woman is one which does choosing. Man cannot chose he can only approach women one by one and hope that one of them will agree to have sex with him.
If women were approaching men and man had power to accept of deny offer you could blame men for bad choices, but it is not how everything works.

same logic applies to everything else:
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Child abuse by the man is still somehow the woman's fault for choosing the abusive man.
this is because woman again does choosing: abusive man just probes all women one by one until someone takes him.
If you rejected some good man and went into relationship with some meanie it is completely right and fair if you get what you deserve.
Of course that does not make abuser innocent, but  you are one who made choice so you are responsible.
men do not go of the hook because abuser also gets what he deserves  and he is accountable for his abusive behavior, while victim gets what she deserves for her choice.

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Men should be held just as accountable for their choice of women as men are held accountable for their choice of men.  Anything else is not EQUALITY.
man cannot be accountable for choice of women because he has no ability to choose woman.
The best man can do is to manipulate women into choosing him.

Also I suggest to look into this from other side which explains this hatred towards women:
Remember your behavior in school when you were crazy for cool guys while geeky and unpopular guys were completely ignored and mocked.
They remember everything and now when you are burnt with your relationship they all celebrate your failure as sweet revenge which you deserve for their rejection. 
when you are young boy all girls are crazy for older men with money and power none of girls have interest in boy who has no money looks silly and gets beaten by bullies.
But remember that all those boys will grow up and very likely they will become successful and powerful people who hate women with all their hearts.

If you want to do something about misogyny and misanthropy in general i think you should start with little boys and girls to make sure that no one is being ignored and neglected.
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Re: But Feminists ARE Socialists with panties!
« Reply #170 on: June 30, 2014, 07:18:33 PM »
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MikeTO asked: "Why don't men have a say in abortion or not?"

Because it's not your body.

Transmen can sometimes retain the ability to have children, in which case that man has a right to decide going through abortion. Because it is his body.

If you have an abortion, I fully support your choice. But I don't support your desire to control other people's choices over their own body.
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Re: But Feminists ARE Socialists with panties!
« Reply #171 on: June 30, 2014, 07:35:48 PM »
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News in America:

The Supreme Court just sided with right-wing ideologues and gutted women’s right to birth control coverage under the Affordable Care Act.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/supreme-court-sides-with-employers-over-birth-control-mandate/2014/06/30/852e5c84-fc61-11e3-b1f4-8e77c632c07b_story.html

This is devastating news for the 51% of Black women ages 18-35 for whom high cost has made it difficult to maintain consistent access to birth control. Now health decisions, for women who work at certain private corporations, are left to our bosses.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/vanessa-cullins/why-free-birth-control-wi_1_b_916702.html

How is capitalism supposed to solve this problem?
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Re: But Feminists ARE Socialists with panties!
« Reply #172 on: June 30, 2014, 08:19:16 PM »
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News in America:

The Supreme Court just sided with right-wing ideologues and gutted women’s right to birth control coverage under the Affordable Care Act.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/supreme-court-sides-with-employers-over-birth-control-mandate/2014/06/30/852e5c84-fc61-11e3-b1f4-8e77c632c07b_story.html

This is devastating news for the 51% of Black women ages 18-35 for whom high cost has made it difficult to maintain consistent access to birth control. Now health decisions, for women who work at certain private corporations, are left to our bosses.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/vanessa-cullins/why-free-birth-control-wi_1_b_916702.html

How is capitalism supposed to solve this problem?


You mean how men are supposed to solve that problem?
If you care about those women so much how about paying for their needs from your own pocket?
In any case someone will have to pay for that and i am definitely not paying.


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Re: But Feminists ARE Socialists with panties!
« Reply #173 on: June 30, 2014, 08:23:59 PM »
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MikeTO asked: "Why don't men have a say in abortion or not?"

Because it's not your body.

Transmen can sometimes retain the ability to have children, in which case that man has a right to decide going through abortion. Because it is his body.

If you have an abortion, I fully support your choice. But I don't support your desire to control other people's choices over their own body.

of course that is just great woman is one who will give births and man will have to pay for her decision all his remaining life.
I guess you do not see any problems with that, because who cares that this man has his life ruined forever, because woman decides to ruin life's for herself, man and future child.

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Re: But Feminists ARE Socialists with panties!
« Reply #174 on: June 30, 2014, 10:26:33 PM »
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MikeTO asked: "Why don't men have a say in abortion or not?"

Because it's not your body.

Transmen can sometimes retain the ability to have children, in which case that man has a right to decide going through abortion. Because it is his body.

If you have an abortion, I fully support your choice. But I don't support your desire to control other people's choices over their own body.

of course that is just great woman is one who will give births and man will have to pay for her decision all his remaining life.
I guess you do not see any problems with that, because who cares that this man has his life ruined forever, because woman decides to ruin life's for herself, man and future child.

I remember a few male feminist like him until it bite them on the a$$.  Then it was total shocked and things didn't go what he thought.
Also there is no male birth control pill, in fact drug companies aren't interested in marketing one..


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« Reply #175 on: July 01, 2014, 01:17:05 PM »
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MikeTO asked: "Why don't men have a say in abortion or not?"

Because it's not your body.

Transmen can sometimes retain the ability to have children, in which case that man has a right to decide going through abortion. Because it is his body.

If you have an abortion, I fully support your choice. But I don't support your desire to control other people's choices over their own body.


of course that is just great woman is one who will give births and man will have to pay for her decision all his remaining life.
I guess you do not see any problems with that, because who cares that this man has his life ruined forever, because woman decides to ruin life's for herself, man and future child.


I remember a few male feminist like him until it bite them on the a$$.  Then it was total shocked and things didn't go what he thought.
Also there is no male birth control pill, in fact drug companies aren't interested in marketing one..




http://www.mensfitness.com/nutrition/supplements/male-birth-control-pill-in-the-making

If a man doesn't want to make a baby in a woman then he ought not put his sperm into her vagina.  It's not rocket science, my 7 year old nephew knows how this stuff works already.  We all need to take responsibility for the consequences of our actions, males and females, when it comes to procreation.
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I don't know if you actually thought about what you wrote before you wrote it, but that first sentence is very sexist.

While I partially agree with you here, but we must still take into account fact that woman is one which does choosing. Man cannot chose he can only approach women one by one and hope that one of them will agree to have sex with him.
If women were approaching men and man had power to accept of deny offer you could blame men for bad choices, but it is not how everything works.

same logic applies to everything else:
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Child abuse by the man is still somehow the woman's fault for choosing the abusive man.

this is because woman again does choosing: abusive man just probes all women one by one until someone takes him.
If you rejected some good man and went into relationship with some meanie it is completely right and fair if you get what you deserve.
Of course that does not make abuser innocent, but  you are one who made choice so you are responsible.
men do not go of the hook because abuser also gets what he deserves  and he is accountable for his abusive behavior, while victim gets what she deserves for her choice.

No one DESERVES to be treated the way my ex treated me.  Unless we get to the point where we can do a brain scan and discover ahead of time the narcissists and sociopaths, those people are very very hard to spot because they can act like normal people.  I'm still not sure if my ex was always a narcissist or just became one due to FDR, but if he was always one he hid it very well.  He convinced me that he was a kind, loving, compassionate, caring person.  I'm hoping I can learn how to spot the type ahead of time so this does't happen again, and I'm also aware that narcissism and sociopathy are rare so hopefully the likelihood of ending up with another is low.  But that doesn't mean I deserve to be treated the way he has treated me.  No one deserves that and no one needs to stay and put up with that when they only agreed to the relationship under completely different behavior by the other party. 
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Men should be held just as accountable for their choice of women as men are held accountable for their choice of men.  Anything else is not EQUALITY.

man cannot be accountable for choice of women because he has no ability to choose woman.
The best man can do is to manipulate women into choosing him.

Also I suggest to look into this from other side which explains this hatred towards women:
Remember your behavior in school when you were crazy for cool guys while geeky and unpopular guys were completely ignored and mocked.
They remember everything and now when you are burnt with your relationship they all celebrate your failure as sweet revenge which you deserve for their rejection. 
when you are young boy all girls are crazy for older men with money and power none of girls have interest in boy who has no money looks silly and gets beaten by bullies.
But remember that all those boys will grow up and very likely they will become successful and powerful people who hate women with all their hearts.

If you want to do something about misogyny and misanthropy in general i think you should start with little boys and girls to make sure that no one is being ignored and neglected.
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No one other than yourself can teach you to love yourself.  Being loved back by a women won't be enough to make you learn to love yourself.  Trying to shift the blame to women to give these men who feel rejected back their self esteem is not only ineffective but probably more harm than good.  Internal confidence and acceptance of one's self is much more resilient and meaningful than external validation. 

Secondly, if you think women get to chose men you are very mistaken.  I only got to chose from the men who approached me when i was younger and those men were not always the best options, though at this point I'm gonna go for what I want and not give a hoot what the stupid rules are.  I couldn't really figure out what I was doing wrong when i was younger.  I think the key was confidence.  I wasn't confident then and if you aren't confident it's hard for others to love you.  I truly believe it's impossible to have a healthy loving relationship with another person if you don't really truly love yourself.  I have seen that play out in my life many times.

Thirdly, you have no idea who I dated when I was younger.  I usually dated the nerds because they weren't cocky and could respect my intellect and treated me with kindness and valued me.  My FDR ex BF was the least nerdy guy I ever dated and look how he ended up treating me?  He's had a lot more dating and sexual experiences than me so he really can't blame being a misogynist on being rejected by women.  But being a nerd and then taking that positive energy of curiosity and intellect and turning it into misogyny isn't going to help your love life.  Anger is not an effective emotion to be perfectly honest and it's not sexy, at least not to me.

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Re: But Feminists ARE Socialists with panties!
« Reply #176 on: July 01, 2014, 05:59:54 PM »
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No one DESERVES to be treated the way my ex treated me.

to make it clear I do not judge anyone here. I just try to discuss reasons and methods how to avoid such situations.

We are not talking about your situation specifically you are just representative of women who happened to get in such situation.

"No one other than yourself can teach you to love yourself.  Being loved back by a women won't be enough to make you learn to love yourself.  Trying to shift the blame to women to give these men who feel rejected back their self esteem is not only ineffective but probably more harm than good.  Internal confidence and acceptance of one's self is much more resilient and meaningful than external validation. "

love is completely irrelevant here, all what young boys and most grown up men care about is sex.
and it is not exactly rejection of love but fact that cool guys get to sleep with all girls around while those nerds stay virgins until their thirties.

So considering your further claims what you say is right but is entirely irrelevant from male perspective, because men are not interested in love they are interested in sex.  To validate himself man need to bring you to his bed, not make you fall in love. Sex for men is like food.

if sex is denied to man results are just same as if you deny other physiological needs.
man feels incompetent to obtain important resource.
and it is is extremely frustrating when "bad boys" can get unlimited access to that resource.

Here are only my speculations because I don't know how it was for you:
Considering those nerds you dated while at school did they managed to bring you in bed?
How much you got sexually aroused from their respect and kindness? I am pretty sure when your boyfriend was helping you with your homework there were no  thoughts in you head "I feel so hot, take me now"
I suppose, you basically rejected most of those nerds and they simply felt used and discarded, because they did not got what they were working for.

Can you comment something about fact that all expert womanizers unanimously state that If you want to have sex with woman you cant treat her nicely. You MUST treat her like shit even if you don't want to. even if she complains you must simply treat her like dog dominating her completely.
Any sign of kindness will immediately kill your chances to bring her to your bed.
I am completely not in love with that situation. I do not want to treat women like dogs neither most of the men want, but unfortunately you are loser if you are nice guy.

do you have any suggestions for those men how they are supposed to arouse woman without disrespecting her?



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« Reply #177 on: July 01, 2014, 11:18:41 PM »
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      "but unfortunately you are loser if you are nice guy."

What is a "Winner"? You know this means competition. In this case it implies the male pitted vs. the female. Why can't it be a team sport? Our tribe has most healthy babies instead of; in my tribe I have more healthy babies than you.
 In the past those who raped, pillaged, killed, and forced people to do their bidding won. That was a competition. Now those who do that are pitted against others who align by not doing any of those things. "All for 1 and 1 for all"

 I might want sex but I won't troll for it. I get it or not and am not a loser. Loser is a cultural term a cat would never feel that because of the cultural nothingness. Define yourself in terms of others and all sorts of things spring up. Let your goals be others private parts and you are not about you. Steph is right. UPB.
 Either we all be individuals for our selves or we all be a community. Saudi Arabia says the community is only men. It exists because of oil and American intervention.

 Where did I post about individuals? lost in my drunk stupor again.

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« Reply #178 on: July 02, 2014, 03:03:07 AM »
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Lol arrrgh Omega you probably wouldn't believe me if I told you there are plenty of mature men whose lives don't revolve around getting laid!
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« Reply #179 on: July 02, 2014, 05:41:03 AM »
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What is a "Winner"? You know this means competition.
This is just figure of speech to describe how you fell and what other think about you.

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In the past those who raped, pillaged, killed, and forced people to do their bidding won. That was a competition. Now those who do that are pitted against others who align by not doing any of those things. "All for 1 and 1 for all"

And they still win.

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I might want sex but I won't troll for it. I get it or not and am not a loser.
sex is resource and we men compete for that resource those who get it are winners those who don't are losers.

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Loser is a cultural term a cat would never feel that because of the cultural nothingness. Define yourself in terms of others and all sorts of things spring up. Let your goals be others private parts and you are not about you.
Since I am man, nature already gave me life goal.  Bring as many women as possible to my bed.
Culture does not matter here. Even if all world cultures do all they can to suppress nature it is still here and it is not going away.