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Re: But Feminists ARE Socialists with panties!
« Reply #195 on: July 03, 2014, 12:14:58 PM »
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THE VERDICT: It is more scientifically challenging to make a contraceptive pill for men than for women—but not impossible. [/url]


contraception for men does exist and it is pretty efficient and even has less side effects than birth controll pils.  It is pretty old invention formely known as RISUG®, which was ignored for long time
http://www.parsemusfoundation.org/vasalgel-home/
the main problem seems o be unpredictability of results, because it can randomly fail,
but many people are suspecting feminist conspiracy, as usual.


Lol feminist conspiracy to sabotage male birth control? lololol
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« Reply #196 on: July 03, 2014, 12:22:37 PM »
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Because of patriarchy, that is why the 'bad guys' win! So end patriarchy and you're good.

Is there anything in the world that is not related to patriarchy? I guess patriarchy is also responsible for global warming and volcano eruptions.
Women are ones who chose those bad guys. so ask women to end that "patriarchy" and finally start hanging up with nice guys who actually respect them.

If you women want to be respected  when guy asks "can I kiss you" she must say "yes" instead of turning him down and going with guy who simply ignores her consent and takes her by force.

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Lol feminist conspiracy to sabotage male birth control? lololol
yes, some MGTOW and MRA activists believe so.

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« Reply #197 on: July 03, 2014, 01:27:01 PM »
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Because of patriarchy, that is why the 'bad guys' win! So end patriarchy and you're good.

Is there anything in the world that is not related to patriarchy? I guess patriarchy is also responsible for global warming and volcano eruptions.
Women are ones who chose those bad guys. so ask women to end that "patriarchy" and finally start hanging up with nice guys who actually respect them.

If you women want to be respected  when guy asks "can I kiss you" she must say "yes" instead of turning him down and going with guy who simply ignores her consent and takes her by force.

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Lol feminist conspiracy to sabotage male birth control? lololol
yes, some MGTOW and MRA activists believe so.

Much of the feminist movement is women fighting patriarchy. The logical result of feminism is encouraging more nice guys and condemning the ones who do bad things, in other words you should join feminism! But being forced to have sex is by definition not a choice.
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Re: But Feminists ARE Socialists with panties!
« Reply #198 on: July 03, 2014, 01:52:54 PM »
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Much of the feminist movement is women fighting patriarchy. The logical result of feminism is encouraging more nice guys and condemning the ones who do bad things, in other words you should join feminism!
What the hell you are supposed to encourage nice guys to do? should they start raping women or what?
better encourage women to CHOSE nice guys and ignore bad guys instead of condemning them and at same time giving them what they want. Who gives a shit about those condemnations and encouragements.

I have absolutely no reason to join feminists, because I am not woman and feminism is about issues of women by definition. Even if those issues are important for women feminists do not care to make decent balance of interests for all sides  and that is evil.
I am strongly against all special interest organizations because I believe that we must give equal rights to everyone or else it will not end well for any side.

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But being forced to have sex is by definition not a choice.
this is because you(this time in person) and most women hate sex.  If you loved it it would not be required to be a choice You would not use condition "do this and then I will spread my legs." If you like sex you do it with everyone at all opportunities.

Considering  difference in male and female sexuality nearly all males immediately agrees on intercourse with completely unknown woman while only very small fraction of women agreed on same thing with completely unknown man. (if you disagree I can find link)

it  this situation it is almost impossible to rape male in theory, because unless he is some freak he will give consent practically all time.
While man will rarely get consent from woman for free. and woman which agrees to have sex for free will be highly condemned by other women because she is devaluing their goods.

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Re: But Feminists ARE Socialists with panties!
« Reply #199 on: July 03, 2014, 06:25:42 PM »
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In case this is news to you :o feminists are not all women, and it's not a woman-only club. There are plenty of cis males and people who don't fit the heteronormative club who are feminists.

We need more nice guys. We need more guys to be nice. We need fewer/zero rapists.

So you're saying that feminists like myself and most women hate sex because they hate to be raped... That sex is optional for men but not for women? Whether they like it or not, they have to accept sex no matter who it is with, how they feel, or any other circumstances? Meanwhile, it is nearly impossible to rape men. Is that right?

Look, here's why feminists are not the true enemy of men's rights:

http://jezebel.com/5992479/if-i-admit-that-hating-men-is-a-thing-will-you-stop-turning-it-into-a-self+fulfilling-prophecy

It's long and a very good read, here's some highlights:
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A List of "Men's Rights" Issues That Feminism Is Already Working On

Feminists do not want you to lose custody of your children. The assumption that women are naturally better caregivers is part of patriarchy.

Feminists do not like commercials in which bumbling dads mess up the laundry and competent wives have to bustle in and fix it. The assumption that women are naturally better housekeepers is part of patriarchy.

Feminists do not want you to have to make alimony payments. Alimony is set up to combat the fact that women have been historically expected to prioritize domestic duties over professional goals, thus minimizing their earning potential if their "traditional" marriages end. The assumption that wives should make babies instead of money is part of patriarchy.

Feminists do not want anyone to get raped in prison. Permissiveness and jokes about prison rape are part of rape culture, which is part of patriarchy.

Feminists do not want anyone to be falsely accused of rape. False rape accusations discredit rape victims, which reinforces rape culture, which is part of patriarchy.

Feminists do not want you to be lonely and we do not hate "nice guys." The idea that certain people are inherently more valuable than other people because of superficial physical attributes is part of patriarchy.

Feminists do not want you to have to pay for dinner. We want the opportunity to achieve financial success on par with men in any field we choose (and are qualified for), and the fact that we currently don't is part of patriarchy. The idea that men should coddle and provide for women, and/or purchase their affections in romantic contexts, is condescending and damaging and part of patriarchy.

Feminists do not want you to be maimed or killed in industrial accidents, or toil in coal mines while we do cushy secretarial work and various yarn-themed activities. The fact that women have long been shut out of dangerous industrial jobs (by men, by the way) is part of patriarchy.

Feminists do not want you to commit suicide. Any pressures and expectations that lower the quality of life of any gender are part of patriarchy. The fact that depression is characterized as an effeminate weakness, making men less likely to seek treatment, is part of patriarchy.

Feminists do not want you to be viewed with suspicion when you take your child to the park (men frequently insist that this is a serious issue, so I will take them at their word). The assumption that men are insatiable sexual animals, combined with the idea that it's unnatural for men to care for children, is part of patriarchy.

Feminists do not want you to be drafted and then die in a war while we stay home and iron stuff. The idea that women are too weak to fight or too delicate to function in a military setting is part of patriarchy.

Feminists do not want women to escape prosecution on legitimate domestic violence charges, nor do we want men to be ridiculed for being raped or abused. The idea that women are naturally gentle and compliant and that victimhood is inherently feminine is part of patriarchy.

Feminists hate patriarchy. We do not hate you.

If you really care about those issues as passionately as you say you do, you should be thanking feminists, because feminism is a social movement actively dedicated to dismantling every single one of them. The fact that you blame feminists—your allies—for problems against which they have been struggling for decades suggests that supporting men isn't nearly as important to you as resenting women. We care about your problems a lot. Could you try caring about ours?
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Re: But Feminists ARE Socialists with panties!
« Reply #200 on: July 03, 2014, 08:12:09 PM »
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In case this is news to you :o feminists are not all women, and it's not a woman-only club. There are plenty of cis males and people who don't fit the heteronormative club who are feminists.
can you give any explanation why any same person should get involved in the group which does not care about him? If feminists care about rights of everyone equally they should not be named feminists.

I do not accuse that feminists want to specifically oppress men feminists simply do not care about men at all as if men and their issues do not exist entirely. it is woman and manginas club because men are not allowed to enter with their issues.

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So you're saying that feminists like myself and most women hate sex because they hate to be raped... That sex is optional for men but not for women? Whether they like it or not, they have to accept sex no matter who it is with, how they feel, or any other circumstances? Meanwhile, it is nearly impossible to rape men. Is that right?

Talking about men there is no such question whether they like it or not, because they always like it. if you don't like you you are not man, you are freak of nature like gays transsexuals and other minorities (not that being freak is somehow condemnable) However if you refuse sex with woman other men will do not understand you, it will be same as if you just refused to take free bag of gold. Juts imagine if someone runs into police office and yells I was forced to take 1000$ against my will. do you think policemen will go against that criminal or they will laugh and mock that "unfortunate" victim?

women do not have to do anything, however they will face appropriate consequences depending on what they chose to do. I may not like bitter medicine but consequence of refusal will be death. Unfortunately there is no real solution to this problem and I do not demand anything situation is pretty bad.
I guess the best would be if all men could do sex change and get vaginas so that we could just play with each other and ignore women entirely.

Maybe if sexual relations between boys and girls started a the very young age like in kindergarten they could develop more love towards each other and better understand each other needs. 

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It's long and a very good read, here's some highlights:
that's exactly my problem: feminists make shitload of declarations and demands while doing absolutely nothing to prove their intent.
how about starting with taking responsibility for your choices and actually revising that big list to exclude parts that you cant change.

like what for is good that "Feminists do not want anyone to get raped in prison." do feminists or anyone have any influence on prison rapes or any form of crimes? is there any way to fix that issue? if not why the hell you even mention it?

how about actually screening your desires for contradictions when in one place you say that you are against false accusations and later you are demanding to reduce evidence requirements to prove rape or domestic violence?

cant you see that it is contradiction?

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Feminists do not want you to be lonely and we do not hate "nice guys."
of course you do not hate nice guys but you would prefer to use dildo instead of nice guy because nice guy is sexually repulsive for a woman and you cant change that it is encoded genetically.

and finally stop complaining about patriarchy, it is dead long time ago there is no trace of patriarchy left besides some memories about good old times.

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Re: But Feminists ARE Socialists with panties!
« Reply #201 on: July 04, 2014, 03:28:57 AM »
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Well Omega, your point of view sounds very archaic. Death for refusing sex? Good old times? What backwards culture is this? (Are you the ghost of Elliott Rodger, by any chance?) The Patriarchy runs deep. Which reminds me. In India, a story on two sisters gang raped was concluded with: "boys will be boys". (I am aware of the irony of linking to the Huffington Post which has sexist linkbait but the original Times article gives me a 404 error.)

See, even IF you were to argue that Patriarchy is not a thing (in the West), it is alive and well in the rest of the world, unmistakably so. Of course I don't think Patriarchy is gone, it's just weaker in some places. I will not stop fighting Patriarchy just because my society has a relatively less violent one (and I mean relatively). I think that the way you make excuses for rape simply indicates that you live in a very extreme rape culture, and that makes me sad because really, that is harmful for everyone. The murderer kills his own soul when he takes the life of another. It is the same thing with a rapist. And it is patriarchy which turns men into rapists AND murderers on a large scale.

Contrary to what you insist Omega, it is not impossible to rape a man. All that is necessary, whether you call it rape or sexual assault, is that it is unwanted, forced, coerced. Anyone can be a victim of rape, and no one really wants to be raped, by definition. Anything else is a twisted shitty distortion. Men don't always want or like sex with women. Men just happen to be privileged to live in societies where women statistically are not rapists as frequently as men are. The problem is that, evident from your rape apologia, you are likely inundated in an extreme form of rape culture. Like much abuse, rape culture thrives through denial of rape. This makes you blind to the fact that both men and women have the right to say no, without need for justification. It is not up to you to run their lives, they will make their own decisions for a variety of reasons that you cannot simply understand and have no right to meddle in. No one really cares if rape apologists think that makes them freaks, weird, or useless. The feeling is mutual. It's none of your business, and whatever judgments you pass upon them for being their authentic selves are gobbledygook. Quit hatin'.

Omega, contrary to what you may have been taught, women are people and have their own minds, and as such they are not something like robots giving sex to every man who wants it. Women are not slaves for sex, contrary to the fact that the world often wants them to be. Women are not your slaves. Not your property. Not your f*ckholes.

Women are human beings.

And it is time that you, and people like you, learn to stop controlling them, learn to give up the tools of oppression, learn to accept women's emerging role in society as human beings on an equal standing to men, learn to interact with them as fellow human beings. Rather than be treated as subhuman and manipulable. I know it must be hard to give up your dominance over women, but no one is equal until no one gender has dominance over the other. I hope you understand by now what I mean by that. To continue on this path of oppression is pure cowardice.

I am coming to learn that few people are as misandrist as MRAs; MRAs seem to be shooting themselves in their feet. It is harmful to men to force them to conform to the patriarchy. While it proffers certain privileges relative to the people they subjugate, it comes with the price of subjugating the good natured part of themselves. Abuse 101, Oppression 101.

Men are involved in feminism because they rightly recognize that feminist values make the world a better place. Remember, it's not always about 'you'. Feminists do care about men, but no one cares for narcissism. If you were listening to Chinese workers like the ones in my avatar talk about the oppression they face on a daily basis, would it be appropriate to chime in: "but my job sucks too, let's talk about ME!"? How is that going to be receieved? What if your family was murdered and you are the sole survivor -- would it be appropriate for your friend to then say: "oh yeah my dog died today, my life sucks". Do you not see how that is so self-absorbed as to be disrespectful and negligent?

If you want to have a club that focuses on men's issues, here's how I would do it: ally with feminists, and analyze men's issues from the standpoint of how patriarchy affects men. The rest of men's issues, aside those covered by patriarchy, are human issues -- issues of government and the economy.

Understand that that list, Omega, is a direct response to the demands of MRAs. It is a demonstration that feminists are not the enemy, in fact they are working to fix the issues that MRAs list. But instead, MRAs and the rest of the manosphere want to fling poo at feminists. The clincher is that feminists do more to solve these issues than MRAs have ever done.

"Nice guys", true nice guys -- not the "nice guys" or "superb gentlemen" like Elliott Rodger -- are in fact far from repulsive to women and enjoy better relationships and more satisfying sex. Nice try but your genes argument is not an argument at all. No point appealing to science if you don't know the first thing about genes. No point in spending too much effort countering your baseless assertions.
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Re: But Feminists ARE Socialists with panties!
« Reply #202 on: July 04, 2014, 06:03:16 AM »
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Death for refusing sex? Good old times?
you are crazy, I do not say death for refusing sex, this is just example of consequences of your choices.

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"I think that the way you make excuses for rape simply indicates that you live in a very extreme rape culture, and that makes me sad because really, that is harmful for everyone."

are there any people who have sane mind ?
MRA s with ther beliefs about feminists teaming with Illuminati on destroying world feminists fighting against rape culture caused by patriarchy in times when rape is almost nonexistent and patriarchy is only in history books.

there are no murders around that are cause by patriarchy there are just usual criminals who do not care about anything you are just same as Stefan who believes that if you stop using violence on children all world will turn into heaven, No you cannot change anything rape and murder will continue until the end of universe. it does not matter what you do it is here to stay and get used to it.

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All that is necessary, whether you call it rape or sexual assault, is that it is unwanted, forced, coerced.

you are redefining rape, it is not unwanted sex, just like unwanted work is not slavery.
rape is sex achieved by violence and nothing more.
If I pay for sex it is not rape even if woman do not want it. she is obligated to do it if she agreed and took payment.

If you call all unwanted sex rape then yes almost all sex is rape, because women almost newer want it.
it is completely natural when boy says to his girlfriend hare are tickets to the movie want to go along? so spread your legs. girl has no interest in that and hates it but she must do it if she wants to go to the movie.
same is in corporation if boss hired dumb and beautiful secretary who cant do a shit she was hires as sex doll, and she is supposed to do her work or get fired.

woman is completely free to chose if providing sex is worth being paid and she can refuse, but in that case she will not get paid.

this is normal business relationships just like if I employ to some job which I hate with all my heart but i am paid well, it is not slavery this is  market.

maybe I also should demand to get paid without doing my job?

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If you want to have a club that focuses on men's issues, here's how I would do it: ally with feminists, and analyze men's issues from the standpoint of how patriarchy affects men. The rest of men's issues, aside those covered by patriarchy, are human issues -- issues of government and the economy.
I guess that feminism is just another cult which is based on belief in patriarchy god.

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Understand that that list, Omega, is a direct response to the demands of MRAs. It is a demonstration that feminists are not the enemy, in fact they are working to fix the issues that MRAs list. But instead, MRAs and the rest of the manosphere want to fling poo at feminists. The clincher is that feminists do more to solve these issues than MRAs have ever done.
That list is example of crap lies
You redefine words to change their meaning into anything you want what makes all what you say complete bulshit.

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Re: But Feminists ARE Socialists with panties!
« Reply #203 on: July 04, 2014, 12:19:28 PM »
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Patriarchy is as real as Santa Claus. :P

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Re: But Feminists ARE Socialists with panties!
« Reply #204 on: July 04, 2014, 12:22:27 PM »
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Actually Christianity, Judaism, and Islamism are cults based on belief in a patriarchal god. I'm sure there are more that I didn't think of. ;)

Death is not a natural consequence of the choice to refuse sex -- it is a consequence of an entitled man's choice to murder.

Wow Omega.... I don't know where you live, but it seems we have some steep cultural differences here. Let me say that if you say in the Western world what you say here, people would suspect you of being a rapist. I'm not saying it makes me better that I was born in the West, and it certainly has big problems with the way it colonizes other nations it calls "the developing world", but I certainly acknowledge that that is where feminism has had its best and first influence.

However feminism is coming to other parts of the world. FEMEN for example is a group of radical feminist protestors originating in Ukraine, and while their influence has predictably spread throughout Europe, it is reaching places like Tunisia. One Tunisian woman joined their protests but was mercilessly abused. But that doesn't stop us. Feminism, in all its various configurations, is coming to a place near you. From India to Ireland to Egypt, women are on the streets, on the airwaves, on the internet, getting organised and getting angry. They're co-ordinating in their communities to combat sexual violence and taking a stand against archaic sexist legislation; they're challenging harassment and rape culture. Across the world, women who are sick and tired of shame and fear are fighting back in unprecedented ways. ... Men and boys, too, are involved as allies – not in large numbers, but in numbers large enough to make their presence impossible to overlook.

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What's fascinating about these new feminist movements is their independence. They're developing organically, outside the well-worn circuit of NGOs, government lobbying and quiet petition-signing that has been the proper format for feminist activism for more than two decades. As if on some secret signal, women and their allies across the world have expressed a collective lack of faith in governments and police forces to deal with endemic sexism.


And in Bangladesh, yes, men have joined the feminist cause, protesting and pushing back the rates of acid attacks on women.

Feminism will not stop on the quest for women's liberation. Defend men's privilege as long as you like, the privilege to use and abuse women, but it will end. Women around the world are pissed off and cry, "no more!"

Didn't know that MRAs have conspiracy theories about feminism being the Illuminati, lol.
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Re: But Feminists ARE Socialists with panties!
« Reply #205 on: July 04, 2014, 12:39:22 PM »
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« Reply #206 on: July 04, 2014, 12:52:05 PM »
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Death is not a natural consequence of the choice to refuse sex -- it is a consequence of an entitled man's choice to murder.

death is casual consequence of refusal to drink antibiotic when you have seriuos infection

I never says anything that death is result of refusal to have sex with man cant you even read what i write properly or you see rapists and murderers everywhere?
refusal to have sex results its own consequences.

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One Tunisian woman joined their protests but was mercilessly abused.
In other words she is a loser. when man is fighting for something and gets abused in result we can him looser not victim.
And here we have just poor damsel in distress who cant do a shit  and bites more than she can chew. and not you play victim card calling men to rescue that poor powerless woman

Also it is well known that porn is best weapon against patriarchy, there is nothing scarier that few bimbos flashing their titties in public.

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And in Bangladesh, yes, men have joined the feminist cause, protesting and pushing back the rates of acid attacks on women.

And so what? I guess now attackers will think "I better wont use acid because there are bunch of idiots on the street that don't like that."

can you do anything that does not rely on presenting yourself as damsel in distress who need to be rescued?

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Feminism will not stop on the quest for women's liberation. Defend men's privilege as long as you like, the privilege to use and abuse women, but it will end. Women around the world are pissed off and cry, "no more!"
Yes crying "no more" will definitely solve all problems.  all women know that crying in front of man usually magically turns things in a way she wanted.

that works well with manginas but real men so not listen to screams, they do what they want.

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« Reply #207 on: July 04, 2014, 02:18:28 PM »
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Omega, have you ever had sex with a woman against her will?
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« Reply #208 on: July 04, 2014, 03:10:59 PM »
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Omega, have you ever had sex with a woman against her will?

No.

and you should not ask personal questions.
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Re: But Feminists ARE Socialists with panties!
« Reply #209 on: July 04, 2014, 04:54:06 PM »
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Omega, have you ever had sex with a woman against her will?

No.

I would never have guessed because of your rape apologia.

Well, I am done here. No more from me.
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