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Re: But Feminists ARE Socialists with panties!
« Reply #135 on: June 24, 2014, 04:10:17 AM »
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Feminism is a depopulation (eugenics) program started by the government. 
http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlg/vol311/211-236.pdf

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« Reply #136 on: June 24, 2014, 04:52:47 AM »
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I don't have time to read a 25 page PDF on this subject (or any other at present) but I think MikeTO raises a valid point. I have frequently mentioned divide and rule strategies implemented by those who pretend to govern us and there is no doubt in my mind that a gender war is perfectly in line with their plans. I'm not saying that the concerns of men and those of women should be minimized or disregarded, but the more we are able to find common ground and refrain from belligerence the less we follow this type of destructive agenda.

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« Reply #137 on: June 24, 2014, 10:45:18 AM »
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Well it doesn't prove that feminism is a government project but an attempt for the government to reduce population.  It's just a start pointing. Mainly feminist are the puppets being brain washed.  In fact there''s enough proof that the government is against the people in other areas of politics.

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« Reply #138 on: June 24, 2014, 01:08:31 PM »
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Well it doesn't prove that feminism is a government project but an attempt for the government to reduce population.  It's just a start pointing. Mainly feminist are the puppets being brain washed.  In fact there''s enough proof that the government is against the people in other areas of politics.

this depopulation idea is silly, because people are like cattle for farmers and every farmer desires more not less.
if depopulation was an objective there are far more efficient and cheap ways to turn lives into profit. for example slashing medical service quality and increasing prices would have great effect on population.

What we see today is exactly opposite, government is desperately trying to save its livestock of slaves. You even get paid for making children. why government would do that if their goal is depopulation, If you seek depopulation you tax children like china not pay for them.

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Re: But Feminists ARE Socialists with panties!
« Reply #139 on: June 24, 2014, 04:55:35 PM »
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Well it doesn't prove that feminism is a government project but an attempt for the government to reduce population.  It's just a start pointing. Mainly feminist are the puppets being brain washed.  In fact there''s enough proof that the government is against the people in other areas of politics.


this depopulation idea is silly, because people are like cattle for farmers and every farmer desires more not less.
if depopulation was an objective there are far more efficient and cheap ways to turn lives into profit. for example slashing medical service quality and increasing prices would have great effect on population.

What we see today is exactly opposite, government is desperately trying to save its livestock of slaves. You even get paid for making children. why government would do that if their goal is depopulation, If you seek depopulation you tax children like china not pay for them.


Clearly you have done enough research.  We are about to have economic collapse.  Giving people money?  Who ends up paying for that?  The tax payers and guess what the tax payers are paying interest to the privatized banks.  So it's not really free money. 

When the world economy collapses a lot of people will end up being out of works and probably end up in the streets.



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Re: But Feminists ARE Socialists with panties!
« Reply #140 on: June 24, 2014, 05:25:43 PM »
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I don't have time to read a 25 page PDF on this subject (or any other at present) but I think MikeTO raises a valid point. I have frequently mentioned divide and rule strategies implemented by those who pretend to govern us and there is no doubt in my mind that a gender war is perfectly in line with their plans. I'm not saying that the concerns of men and those of women should be minimized or disregarded, but the more we are able to find common ground and refrain from belligerence the less we follow this type of destructive agenda.

This is I see it.  Let feminist have what they want because in the end they will end up with nothing.  They might have money and more rights but most likely they will be single, lonely, angry.  I don't oppose feminists because they will be destroying themselves.  There's no need to men's right movement.  MRA will never win due to the lack of funds for lobbying and they don't have the balls to fight the government head on.  I don't mean physically of course.

There is a saying you can't fight evil with darkness.  Only with light can one beat evil.  Only with compassion can one defeat the world.  MRA will also destroy themselves with hate and anger.  If you doubt me read the articles by especially Paul Elam and the forum posts.   I did look at the men's rights movement for a short duration at avoiceformen.  They some very crude people.  I wasn't even talking about feminism yet they wish sickness and death upon me and used profanity like there's no tomorrow.

Only the truly good people will survive in the end.  The way I see it I wouldn't take either side, feminism and MRA will be defeating oneself.

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« Reply #141 on: June 24, 2014, 06:03:04 PM »
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I don't have time to read a 25 page PDF on this subject (or any other at present) but I think MikeTO raises a valid point. I have frequently mentioned divide and rule strategies implemented by those who pretend to govern us and there is no doubt in my mind that a gender war is perfectly in line with their plans. I'm not saying that the concerns of men and those of women should be minimized or disregarded, but the more we are able to find common ground and refrain from belligerence the less we follow this type of destructive agenda.

This is I see it.  Let feminist have what they want because in the end they will end up with nothing.  They might have money and more rights but most likely they will be single, lonely, angry.  I don't oppose feminists because they will be destroying themselves.  There's no need to men's right movement.  MRA will never win due to the lack of funds for lobbying and they don't have the balls to fight the government head on.  I don't mean physically of course.

There is a saying you can't fight evil with darkness.  Only with light can one beat evil.  Only with compassion can one defeat the world.  MRA will also destroy themselves with hate and anger.  If you doubt me read the articles by especially Paul Elam and the forum posts.   I did look at the men's rights movement for a short duration at avoiceformen.  They some very crude people.  I wasn't even talking about feminism yet they wish sickness and death upon me and used profanity like there's no tomorrow.

Only the truly good people will survive in the end.  The way I see it I wouldn't take either side, feminism and MRA will be defeating oneself.

I really agree with you!  I keep saying, the militant MRA's sound just as insane and whiny and angry to me as the militant feminists.  If there are specific things we want to work on for equality for both sexes, let's talk about those specifically but why do we have to have movements of one or another gender, which leads to the BS of "gender wars".  We need men and women in our society to thrive and we NEED to stop fighting one another over who got dealt the worst hand by their sex chromosomes and start working together.  Like I said, if anyone wants to join my "no more whining" cult I'm working on how I can best brainwash people to not whine, LOL.  Anyone with kids who has managed to successfully eliminate whining please chime in!

Mind you I haven't watched the video, though I've watched some of her other videos and plenty of Stef's MRA rants.  I find the anger to be a little scary personally.  I guess I'm just not an angry person; i can't even manage to get angry at my ex BF despite his verbal abuse of me and basically discarding me as soon as he got into FDR, after trying to indoctrinate me and also calling me all sorts of names.  To me I'm just sorry for him and I just hope that this is a stepping stone for him into something better than where he was before FDR.  Anger just isn't usually a very useful emotion to me as it seems to only cause me harm not the person/group I'm angry at.

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Re: But Feminists ARE Socialists with panties!
« Reply #142 on: June 24, 2014, 09:20:08 PM »
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One thing I know for sure a lot of feminists I have chatted with are very materialistic and really care about money more than anything else.  Many men married when there was warning signs of trouble.  The reason I never had a long term relationship or ever married was that I saw too many issues down the road.  People are unlikely to change, most people resist change.   

MRA should only blame themselves for the poor choices they made even when there was warning sings.  Even Stef gives off warning signs.

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Re: But Feminists ARE Socialists with panties!
« Reply #143 on: June 24, 2014, 09:40:45 PM »
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Feminism is a depopulation (eugenics) program started by the government. 
http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlg/vol311/211-236.pdf


So much disinformation, MikeTO, please: have mercy upon me. You're making me do unnecessary labour, and it is draining (read: help vampirism) to correct your errors. I'm going to resign from commenting on the handful of posts you made today, because I refuse to waste my time fixing them.

Just a friendly reminder: When it comes to assessing the validity of assertions, readers, do your own research! :)

I hate to be uncharitable, but I think MikeTO was counting on no one reading that pdf. If you actually read this dissertation, you'll notice that it is a history paper written by a Harvard student. Please read this:

Quote from: Mary Ziegler
Although not universal, many feminists supported these eugenic laws.
Context is important: in the early 1900s, eugenics was all the rage. People wanted to be a part of a Brave New World. You can read more about that history elsewhere of course :)

Quote from: Mary Ziegler
Ultimately, leading eugenic feminists could neither change the minds of a majority of the eugenic coalition nor resolve the contradictions inherent in their own eugenic theories. While they often argued that their reforms would be supported primarily as a means to achieve a eugenic end, each leader held on to the very kinds of rights and equality-based arguments that mainstream eugenicists rejected. This contradiction contributed significantly to the decline and disappearance of eugenic feminism in the early and mid-1930s.


That's right, feminist eugenics is dead, and failed to gain much influence. And we all know that eugenics was discredited years ago and that it was an ideological tool of white supremacists. Racism was quite rampant years ago.

It took a while for feminism to include people who weren't white women. If such a thing interests you, you are invited to read more about the historical development of feminism -- the first, second, and third waves (we are on the third now). But if you need me to state in only one word what feminism looks like today: it is diverse, and closely connected to fighting racism and queerphobia. Check out intersectionality: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersectionality

Finally, eugenics =/= depopulation.

Oh wait, there's more. If I'm not mistaken, in a followup post, MikeTO is casting feminists as not wanting to have sex and have kids? How funny!

MikeTO, I hope you understand that I cannot take seriously your assertions when you demonstrate such lack of diligence. Moreover, in your misrepresentation you are insulting the work of someone who was diligent, who probably took a very long time to write and gather all the sources. If it seems like I'm being harsh, that is because I admit I am using you as an example. I'm not holding the bar very high, I'm at least asking you to read what you linked so I don't have to go through the embarrassment of pointing this out. If it was an honest mistake, consider it a lesson learned. As for going through the effort of explaining this as I type on my phone, there will not be a second time, I assure you of that. But there could easily be, because of errors in your other posts, but I refuse to do all the work here. I'd rather go back to playing with computers.

I think Prodigal Son and LoverofFDRAddict's hearts are in the right place. But it irritates me to see disinfo being spread, and having people like them get deceived. Though ultimately, it's okay, as long as we value things like compassion -- I am aware that, as important as facts are, compassion is ever more important. And that lets me relax, because it sure would be a waste of time to go out and try to correct every false or unsupported assertion ever made...

I ask myself when I'll be done with these debates...it feels like the answer is 'soon'. That's all my brain wants to tell me -- seems I'm carried away on a silly distraction for some undefined period, though it hasn't been without reward...despite getting lambasted at every corner, I feel I emerge more brave, less intimidated, every time. It bothers momentarily, but then I rise above. And to be honest, this is as easy as shooting fish in a barrel. MRAs don't need my help to look bad. I suppose I should move on to something more challenging, just waiting for the next wind of interest to catch flight... The hardest thing has been when somebody gets really mean.

We risin' up now, you gotta deal, you gotta cope.

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Yeah.. yeah, let's flip it
I don't think they understand what I'm trying to say
Haha, yeah, uh, I asked a question like this:

"Are we a lost generation of our people?
Add us to equations but they'll never make us equal
She who writes the movie owns the script and the sequel
So why ain't the stealing of my rights made illegal?
They keep us underground working hard for the greedy
But when it's time pay they turn around and call us needy
My crown too heavy like the Queen Nefertiti
Gimme back my pyramid, I'm trying to free Kansas City
Mixing masterminds like your name Bernie Grundman
Well I'mma keep leading like a young Harriet Tubman
You can take my wings but I'm still gonna fly
And even when you edit me the booty don't lie
Yeah, I'ma keep sangin', I'mma keep writin' songs
I'm tired of Marvin asking me "What's Going On?"
March to the streets 'cuz I'm willing and I'm able
Categorize me, I defy every label
And while you're selling dope, we're gonna keep selling hope
We rising up now, you gotta deal you gotta cope
Will you be electric sheep? Electric ladies, will you sleep?
Or will you preach?"
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Re: But Feminists ARE Socialists with panties!
« Reply #144 on: June 25, 2014, 01:44:01 AM »
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Eugenics is alive and well: a survey of genetic professionals around the world.
Wertz D.
Abstract
A survey of 2901 genetics professionals in 36 nations suggests that eugenic thought underlies their perceptions of the goals of genetics and that directiveness in counseling after prenatal diagnosis leads to individual decisions based on pessimistically biased information, especially in developing nations of Asia and Eastern Europe. The "non-directive counseling" found in English-speaking nations is an aberration from the rest of the world. Most geneticists, except in China, rejected government involvement in premarital testing or sterilization, but most also held a pessimistic view of persons with genetic disabilities. Individual, but not state-coerced, eugenics survives in much modern genetic practice.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15168676



Informed consent is a concept at the core of both liberal democracy and the ethical practice of medicine. That is just one reason why a new report that, between 2006 and 2010, at least 148 women were sterilized illegally in California prisons should deeply disturb us.

The report found the inmates were given tubal ligations without the prison administrators bothering to get the case by case authorization for the procedures, required by law, from a state board. The point of this requirement is to have state officials outside of the prison review whether a proposed sterilization is genuinely consensual. (At least one woman has complained that she was coerced by prison officials into having the procedure).

Judging from the comments being made on even many liberal internet sites regarding this story, it seems a refresher course in one of the darker sides of American history is in order (A typical reaction: “So ridiculous making this procedure so difficult. Every woman who walks in the door of a prison should be encouraged with times cuts and subsidies to get sterilized.”)

http://ideas.time.com/2013/07/10/eugenics-are-alive-and-well-in-the-united-states/

You took the bait. 
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Re: But Feminists ARE Socialists with panties!
« Reply #145 on: June 25, 2014, 07:25:00 AM »
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Stop baiting me MikeTO!

If eugenics is still slithering around in society, it has nothing to do with feminism, as indeed it is antithetical to it. You still have to bear the embarrassment of presenting an article that had Nothing to do with the claim that you accompanied with it.

As I alluded to earlier, as important as facts are, they don't change minds. Teaching values however does. I don't have time to read a million pubmed articles to verify whether or not I think women should have bodily autonomy, for example.
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Re: But Feminists ARE Socialists with panties!
« Reply #146 on: June 25, 2014, 04:26:30 PM »
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Stop baiting me MikeTO!

If eugenics is still slithering around in society, it has nothing to do with feminism, as indeed it is antithetical to it. You still have to bear the embarrassment of presenting an article that had Nothing to do with the claim that you accompanied with it.

As I alluded to earlier, as important as facts are, they don't change minds. Teaching values however does. I don't have time to read a million pubmed articles to verify whether or not I think women should have bodily autonomy, for example.

You claimed eugenics no longer existed,  which was proved to be false.  You don't have time to verify facts but you claim in other posts one need to be scientific, so you choose ignorance over science?  Even with the facts you refuse to actually dig in deeper at at the facts, meaning you're just  wasting my and people's time.  When you claim science it's not science since you refuse to look at the professionally peer reviewed studies.

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« Reply #147 on: June 25, 2014, 04:56:51 PM »
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No, stop putting words in my mouth, you don't get it. You're even overlooking a whole lot of other crap I said. I'm saying that eugenics as a science has been officially discredited by scientists. I'm saying that there was a Eugenics Movement (tm) in the early 1900s that is now dead. I'm saying that if it's still slithering around in society, it isn't institutionalized the way it was in the early 1900s, and indeed most people would look at that and go, "hey that's wrong". I'm saying that feminism's fling with eugenics is a historical footnote. I'm saying that I don't need f*cking facts to believe that forced sterilization is morally wrong, and I would be batshit insane to call myself a feminist if I ever were to believe that. I'm saying that I don't need f*cking facts to believe that women should never ever ever have their bodies controlled by anyone, but themselves, and themselves only; to believe in bodily autonomy. To believe in that, you need to have empathy.
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Re: But Feminists ARE Socialists with panties!
« Reply #148 on: June 25, 2014, 08:35:23 PM »
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I think this got pretty off-topic and flamey.

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« Reply #149 on: June 25, 2014, 09:31:17 PM »
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I think this got pretty off-topic and flamey.

Sigh... You're right.
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