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Lee Li

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Re: Values: What I Believe (As a Typical Feminist)
« Reply #15 on: June 26, 2014, 07:46:40 PM »
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It's radical feminists propaganda. If you buy into their crap then you have lost your balls forever. :P
Real feminism is dead and obsolete, what we have now is just bunch of ugly worthless girls who demand state to be their husband provider and protector.
So misogyny
Wow
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Re: Values: What I Believe (As a Typical Feminist)
« Reply #16 on: June 26, 2014, 08:04:29 PM »
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In truth radical feminist hate men.  Only that feminists like to spin it around making seem like it's the other way around.

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Re: Values: What I Believe (As a Typical Feminist)
« Reply #17 on: June 26, 2014, 08:07:35 PM »
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In truth radical feminist hate men.  Only that feminists like to spin it around making seem like it's the other way around.
I don't know what MikeTO means by radical feminist. I doubt he does either.

The title says typical feminist, get back on topic! ;D
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Re: Values: What I Believe (As a Typical Feminist)
« Reply #18 on: June 26, 2014, 08:13:33 PM »
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In truth radical feminist hate men.  Only that feminists like to spin it around making seem like it's the other way around.
I don't know what MikeTO means by radical feminist. I doubt he does either.

The title says typical feminist, get back on topic! ;D

How about doing same what you always demand in your posts:
providing proper scientific statistic which describes what is that "typical feminist".

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Re: Values: What I Believe (As a Typical Feminist)
« Reply #19 on: June 26, 2014, 08:17:35 PM »
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It's radical feminists propaganda. If you buy into their crap then you have lost your balls forever. :P
Real feminism is dead and obsolete, what we have now is just bunch of ugly worthless girls who demand state to be their husband provider and protector.
So misogyny
Wow
/shibe

Thats very feminist like
always repeat word "misoginy" because it is best argument against everything.
and also it attracts knights in shining armor to rescue poor damsel in distress form evil misogynists.

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Re: Values: What I Believe (As a Typical Feminist)
« Reply #20 on: June 26, 2014, 08:33:04 PM »
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It's radical feminists propaganda. If you buy into their crap then you have lost your balls forever. :P
Real feminism is dead and obsolete, what we have now is just bunch of ugly worthless girls who demand state to be their husband provider and protector.
So misogyny
Wow
/shibe

Thats very feminist like
always repeat word "misoginy" because it is best argument against everything.
and also it attracts knights in shining armor to rescue poor damsel in distress form evil misogynists.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misogyny
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Re: Values: What I Believe (As a Typical Feminist)
« Reply #21 on: June 26, 2014, 09:17:53 PM »
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It's radical feminists propaganda. If you buy into their crap then you have lost your balls forever. :P
Real feminism is dead and obsolete, what we have now is just bunch of ugly worthless girls who demand state to be their husband provider and protector.
So misogyny
Wow
/shibe

Thats very feminist like
always repeat word "misoginy" because it is best argument against everything.
and also it attracts knights in shining armor to rescue poor damsel in distress form evil misogynists.

That's all feminist have, the misoginy without any proof. :P

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Re: Values: What I Believe (As a Typical Feminist)
« Reply #22 on: June 26, 2014, 10:55:01 PM »
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I dunno about the misogyny thing... what's going on this forum seems more like wannabe misogyny to me. :P Like, "I am sexual beast--hear me roar!" It seems too ridiculously extreme to be heartfelt.

The scariest misogyny (to me) is the subtle stuff that runs through all of our minds (that's patriarchy for you) and makes life more difficult for women in lots of little ways that don't necessarily ever become headline news. The same goes for all kinds of discrimination. It takes a brave person (male, female, whatever) to look for it inside themselves and actively work to root it out. Not sure if finger-pointing does much aside from getting people's backs up.

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Re: Values: What I Believe (As a Typical Feminist)
« Reply #23 on: June 26, 2014, 11:44:39 PM »
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It's radical feminists propaganda. If you buy into their crap then you have lost your balls forever. :P
Real feminism is dead and obsolete, what we have now is just bunch of ugly worthless girls who demand state to be their husband provider and protector.
So misogyny
Wow
/shibe

Thats very feminist like
always repeat word "misoginy" because it is best argument against everything.
and also it attracts knights in shining armor to rescue poor damsel in distress form evil misogynists.

That's all feminist have, the misoginy without any proof. :P

You are the proof, lol!
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Re: Values: What I Believe (As a Typical Feminist)
« Reply #24 on: June 27, 2014, 12:16:37 AM »
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I dunno about the misogyny thing... what's going on this forum seems more like wannabe misogyny to me. :P Like, "I am sexual beast--hear me roar!" It seems too ridiculously extreme to be heartfelt.

The scariest misogyny (to me) is the subtle stuff that runs through all of our minds (that's patriarchy for you) and makes life more difficult for women in lots of little ways that don't necessarily ever become headline news. The same goes for all kinds of discrimination. It takes a brave person (male, female, whatever) to look for it inside themselves and actively work to root it out. Not sure if finger-pointing does much aside from getting people's backs up.


Sexual predator would be a more fitting phrase, imo.

I don't know if it's wannabe misogyny -- maybe you're right that it's just rare and extreme what we are seeing here...I don't know though. It seems some parts of the world and pockets in society are that way. As for what we see here, well I'm starting to suspect (sniff, sniff) that groups like AVFM are culty, and one thing we know about cults is that they push people into more extreme and outrageous beliefs. I don't have evidence, just a hunch.

I agree that the scariest misogyny is the subtle misogyny! That is the most challenging to confront, because it's hard to expose.
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Re: Values: What I Believe (As a Typical Feminist)
« Reply #25 on: June 27, 2014, 12:32:26 AM »
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Sexual predator would be a more fitting phrase, imo.

Let's go with that. I don't know anything about the people who post here. Anything could be true about them as individuals. But in general, I wonder whether the people who are actually acting out sexual predation in the real world are self-aware to specifically seek out discussions about the topic on a message board.

I see a lot more extremely hateful stuff on the internet than I see in real life. Who knows what happens behind closed doors, though.

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Re: Values: What I Believe (As a Typical Feminist)
« Reply #26 on: June 27, 2014, 01:25:16 AM »
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2 assuming that woman is allowed to manage her pregnancy how about same rights for men?
I think it is unfair if woman can terminate pregnancy and man cannot do that and thus he must pay child support.


What about right of child?  Odds 50% being male child.  What about right of this male?

Who then support child?  What about their right?



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Re: Values: What I Believe (As a Typical Feminist)
« Reply #27 on: June 27, 2014, 03:09:16 AM »
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Sexual predator would be a more fitting phrase, imo.

 

I see a lot more extremely hateful stuff on the internet than I see in real life. Who knows what happens behind closed doors, though.

Most people don't have the guts to say what they really think in real life unless they are in groups.  In groups they will pretty much say anything but alone they don't say all that much.

Also there's so many can easily talk about sex online but in real life not too many can from my experience.

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Re: Values: What I Believe (As a Typical Feminist)
« Reply #28 on: June 27, 2014, 04:25:35 AM »
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What about right of child?  Odds 50% being male child.  What about right of this male?

Who then support child?  What about their right?
What difference it makes if it is male or female? it is not even child yet.

The idea is that if woman has right to escape motherhood while father has no such right and he will be forced to pay child support and ruin all his future. Especially considering the fact that modern abortion is just drinking one abortion pill, unlike it was some time ago, when woman had to endure nasty dangerous operation.

If we seek equality, either both man and woman has same rights to escape parenthood, or none of them have that right.

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Re: Values: What I Believe (As a Typical Feminist)
« Reply #29 on: June 27, 2014, 06:22:05 AM »
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What about right of child?  Odds 50% being male child.  What about right of this male?

Who then support child?  What about their right?

What difference it makes if it is male or female? it is not even child yet.

The idea is that if woman has right to escape motherhood while father has no such right and he will be forced to pay child support and ruin all his future. Especially considering the fact that modern abortion is just drinking one abortion pill, unlike it was some time ago, when woman had to endure nasty dangerous operation.

If we seek equality, either both man and woman has same rights to escape parenthood, or none of them have that right.


Why is it then that women are generally expected to handle the contraception side of things?

If men want to liberate themselves from the dangers of conceiving an unwanted child, then why isn't more effort being put into developing male contraceptives that can match the efficacy of the pill?

"The biological basis for male contraception was established decades ago, but despite promising breakthroughs and the financial burden men increasingly bear due to better enforcement of child support policies, no viable alternative to the condom has been brought to market. Men who wish to control their fertility must rely on female compliance with contraceptives, barrier methods, vasectomy or abstinence. Over the last 10 years, the pharmaceutical industry has abandoned most of its investment in the field, leaving only nonprofit organisations and public entities pursuing male contraception. Leading explanations are uncertain forecasts of market demand pitted against the need for critical investments to demonstrate the safety of existing candidate products. This paper explores the developments and challenges in male contraception research. We produce preliminary estimates of potential market size for a safe and effective male contraceptive based on available data to estimate the potential market for a novel male method."

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23186401

^ We have to consider that research may have been halted due to a lack of clear market demand, which could reflect that by and large men don't actually want full control of their fertility. We can speculate about the reasons why not all day, but my initial impression (not that this speculation really has any worth) is this could have something to do with men not wanting to feel emasculated by being rendered temporarily infertile. If this is true, then it would reflect a double standard: where women are expected to conform to certain standards that men aren't held to. Do women worry about becoming "defeminated" when they go on the pill? Is this speculation just a load of pointless BS? It would be good to understand why funding has been cut and research halted.



"As recently as the 1990s, about 60 percent of research dollars were going to high-tech contraception for women while only 7 percent went to research on contraception for men."

http://jezebel.com/5347882/why-are-there-so-few-birth-control-options-for-men

^ Keep in mind the first quote. That 7% has presumably plummeted to zero—despite apparent promising developments in the field.

EDIT: Edited some stuff to make this a bit more logical/empirical.
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