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Re: Values: What I Believe (As a Typical Feminist)
« Reply #30 on: June 27, 2014, 06:53:37 AM »
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What about right of child?  Odds 50% being male child.  What about right of this male?

Who then support child?  What about their right?
What difference it makes if it is male or female? it is not even child yet.

The idea is that if woman has right to escape motherhood while father has no such right and he will be forced to pay child support and ruin all his future. Especially considering the fact that modern abortion is just drinking one abortion pill, unlike it was some time ago, when woman had to endure nasty dangerous operation.

If we seek equality, either both man and woman has same rights to escape parenthood, or none of them have that right.

Miss point.

1. What about right of child once born
2. Taxpayer not father or mother of child.  Why then have to pay when parents refuse?


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Re: Values: What I Believe (As a Typical Feminist)
« Reply #31 on: June 27, 2014, 06:57:19 AM »
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What about right of child?  Odds 50% being male child.  What about right of this male?

Who then support child?  What about their right?

The idea is that if woman has right to escape motherhood while father has no such right and he will be forced to pay child support and ruin all his future.


Solution simple.  Visit brothel.



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Re: Values: What I Believe (As a Typical Feminist)
« Reply #32 on: June 27, 2014, 09:04:53 AM »
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The idea is that if woman has right to escape motherhood while father has no such right and he will be forced to pay child support and ruin all his future. Especially considering the fact that modern abortion is just drinking one abortion pill, unlike it was some time ago, when woman had to endure nasty dangerous operation.

If we seek equality, either both man and woman has same rights to escape parenthood, or none of them have that right.

From a risk perspective: the risk of ending up paying child support due to one casual fling are pretty low, especially if you took precautions.

If someone's goal is to have casual sex every weekend, then yes, the risk of unintended pregnancy mounts. Again from the risk perspective though, there are other serious consequences you're more likely to reach first.
  • There are 1,600,000 children born "out of wedlock" in the USA each year (the number born outside of a committed relationship will be lower)
  • There are 1,090,000 contractions of Trichomoniasis in the USA each year
  • There are 2,860,000 contractions of Chlamydia in the USA each year
  • There are 14,100,000 contractions of HPV in the USA each year

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/births.htm
http://www.ashasexualhealth.org/std-sti/std-statistics.html

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Re: Values: What I Believe (As a Typical Feminist)
« Reply #33 on: June 27, 2014, 09:50:18 AM »
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2. Taxpayer not father or mother of child.  Why then have to pay when parents refuse?

If we assume (correctly I think) parents to own their children until they become self-sufficient, then it is hard not to arrive at the conclusion that either parent, acting singly or in concert, can kill them if they so choose. And before any lurking TB opens a sad face thread at the compound, I do not consider this to be anything other than a worst possible case that would constitute the most tragic and undesirable outcome (because killing and harming are morally wrong). However, in even quite recent times in Europe people living in more isolated communities would practice this periodically. A large family unable to feed yet another babe, or a child born with obvious deformities, might have been killed or simply not fed after birth in order to protect the integrity of the family unit against potentially life-threatening food shortages. I would classify abortion under the same heading. It is simply sanitized child killing. In today's world men sometimes kill their children too, invariably taking their own life at the same time, but it is actually their intrinsic right to act in this manner, as it is the right of the mother, however hard to stomach that fact may be. To remove or restrict that right parental authority must be replaced by State authority (as far as it can be brought to bear), but we have to remember that the State is the biggest killer of them all so we are not safe in its hands. Apart from war and wotnot, large numbers of children removed from their unmarried mothers due to religious codes or abandoned due to financial hardship have ended up in institutions that practice ritual abuse, paedophilia and infanticide - a truth that is only now beginning to emerge with much wringing of hands, and yet the practices continue wherever they can flourish undetected.

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Re: Values: What I Believe (As a Typical Feminist)
« Reply #34 on: June 27, 2014, 11:30:08 AM »
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Solution simple.  Visit brothel.
This is irrelevant, because my point is that women have power to enslave man while man does not have such power. What is serious inequality.

Miss point.
1. What about right of child once born
2. Taxpayer not father or mother of child.  Why then have to pay when parents refuse?
this is completely different issue from deciding if you will have child or not before it is born.

I believe that if you already took responsibility for someone you cant get rid of it anymore.
Parents are required to take care of their child in a way the can.
I cant tell exactly what to do if they refuse but I guess there must be appropriate penalty.

If my opinion is interesting I can also say that I agree that government must provide some minimal child support for those who need or euthanize those people (considering that later option is generally unacceptable there is no other choice than provides upport) it however it must ensure that neither mother or father gets any benefit from that support, let mother starve while her child is well fed she must feel all consequences of her choice.
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Re: Values: What I Believe (As a Typical Feminist)
« Reply #35 on: June 27, 2014, 12:01:11 PM »
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From a risk perspective: the risk of ending up paying child support due to one casual fling are pretty low, especially if you took precautions.

If someone's goal is to have casual sex every weekend, then yes, the risk of unintended pregnancy mounts. Again from the risk perspective though, there are other serious consequences you're more likely to reach first.


You described different issue: while it is very unlikely to have pregnancy problems because of casual encounter, planned pregnancy is way more probable scam.

while I cant provide appropriate statistic but "failed" birth control seem to be pretty frequent
Wikipedia provides 10% failure rate for birth control pills while perfect use rate is 0.3%
I don't know how we can be sure if that failure was intentional or accidental.

women who are desperate to marry or have a child may resort to some method to trick man into becoming father, especially if that woman is well established and independent she get pretty much benefits from such scam she ca just pretend to have casual sex and suddenly you end up in the court for child support.
Also if man is rich and woman is poor she also benefits greatly  from such scam.

Just imagine if there is a woman who is getting close to her expiration date and she desperately wants to have family, what are her options?

we have stories about women who do great things to trick man into believing that she is infertile or that she is under birth control just to make him stop using condoms and get her pregnant.
Because of that, man should have right to refuse fatherhood until child is born.

Until this is solved it is recommended for every man to use condom all time with all women including your wife or girlfriend, and expecialy if that women ever mentioned that she wants kids with you.

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Re: Values: What I Believe (As a Typical Feminist)
« Reply #36 on: June 27, 2014, 08:14:20 PM »
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Until this is solved it is recommended for every man to use condom all time with all women including your wife or girlfriend, and expecialy if that women ever mentioned that she wants kids with you.

I'm a proponent of male birth control because equality and independence.

And while I commend the effort to use contraception, I also notice that the way you phrase your sentence implies a significant level of mistrust of women. As if no woman is ever ever to be trusted, just because she is a biological woman.

Which is one of the qualifying symptoms of misogyny.
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Re: Values: What I Believe (As a Typical Feminist)
« Reply #37 on: June 27, 2014, 10:29:03 PM »
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Solution simple.  Visit brothel.
This is irrelevant, because my point is that women have power to enslave man while man does not have such power. What is serious inequality.
Quit whining.  Whole point of Brothel.  Worry free sex without bond.
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Miss point.
1. What about right of child once born
2. Taxpayer not father or mother of child.  Why then have to pay when parents refuse?
this is completely different issue from deciding if you will have child or not before it is born.
You the one bring up child support in first place.

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Re: Values: What I Believe (As a Typical Feminist)
« Reply #38 on: June 28, 2014, 04:19:42 AM »
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Quit whining.  Whole point of Brothel.  Worry free sex without bond.
so you suggest that all women are prostitutes and there cant be free sex?
either I must bond with them or pay them money.

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You the one bring up child support in first place.
I said nothing about child support, I mentioned rights to refuse being father of UNBORN child.
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Re: Values: What I Believe (As a Typical Feminist)
« Reply #39 on: June 28, 2014, 04:37:17 AM »
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Quit whining.  Whole point of Brothel.  Worry free sex without bond.
so you suggest that all women are prostitutes and there cant be free sex?
either I must bond with them or pay them money.
Nope.

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You the one bring up child support in first place.
I said nothing about child support, I mentioned rights to refuse being father of UNBORN child.

2 assuming that woman is allowed to manage her pregnancy how about same rights for men?
I think it is unfair if woman can terminate pregnancy and man cannot do that and thus he must pay child support.

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Re: Values: What I Believe (As a Typical Feminist)
« Reply #40 on: June 28, 2014, 05:01:46 AM »
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Until this is solved it is recommended for every man to use condom all time with all women including your wife or girlfriend, and expecialy if that women ever mentioned that she wants kids with you.

I'm a proponent of male birth control because equality and independence.

And while I commend the effort to use contraception, I also notice that the way you phrase your sentence implies a significant level of mistrust of women. As if no woman is ever ever to be trusted, just because she is a biological woman.

Which is one of the qualifying symptoms of misogyny.

No this is what qualifies or your women worship. You seem to have same problems as UPB from Stefan Molyneyux who asumes that all people are good
You asume that women can do noting wrong and they are always good thus they must be always trusted.
Yes I have very severe mistrust for women but it is not any different than distrust for men.

laws provide good opportunity for women to enslave men and naturally women use that opportunity. If men had opportunity to enslave woman they would behave in same way.
We have good example in Islamic states where men abuse their rights against women just like western women abuse their rights against men.

while number of such women who perform this kind of scam can be low you must mistrust all women because you don't know which one exactly will do that.
Considering fact that results of failure are equivalent to death sentence  men must be extra careful.




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Re: Values: What I Believe (As a Typical Feminist)
« Reply #41 on: June 28, 2014, 05:06:42 AM »
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Nope.
then what is exactly your point?
I just want free sex without any bonds and commitments.


2 assuming that woman is allowed to manage her pregnancy how about same rights for men?
I think it is unfair if woman can terminate pregnancy and man cannot do that and thus he must pay child support.

child support is consequence of inability to terminate unwanted pregnancy.
I do not question child support itself here.

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Re: Values: What I Believe (As a Typical Feminist)
« Reply #42 on: June 28, 2014, 08:14:24 AM »
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let mother starve while her child is well fed she must feel all consequences of her choice.

Wait a second, I'm not going to let that one just roll under the radar.

So you're saying that she MUST starve in order for society to progress? Think about that for a second. Are you saying that the starvation of women is necessary for your revolution to happen?

Out of curiosity, do you believe in the death penalty?
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Re: Values: What I Believe (As a Typical Feminist)
« Reply #43 on: June 28, 2014, 09:59:08 AM »
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If you can't admit that there is something wrong with misogyny, with being a misogynist, Omega, then we have nothing further to discuss.
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Re: Values: What I Believe (As a Typical Feminist)
« Reply #44 on: June 28, 2014, 10:09:24 AM »
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If you can't admit that there is something wrong with misogyny, with being a misogynist, Omega, then we have nothing further to discuss.

you newer had anything to discuss with anyone because all your "argument" is attempt to guilt everyone into that misogyny nonsense
Poor women who are innocent angelic creatures are so oppressed, their life is so miserable and men are guilty for all that.

Anyway recommend you to invent another word besides misogyny, because I "hate" feminists not women. just because I hate Nazis it does not mean that I hate all people on earth

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