But Feminists ARE Socialists with panties!

[Omega]

Says the guy who has no idea what a lib soc is. Are we going to keep going in circles or are you going to crack open a book?

there is no such thing as liberal socialism just like there is no hard liquid.
when this term is used in practice it is mix of socialism and capitalism, when socialists ride on capitalists back. and all that is only possible because of draconian state which taxes everyone who dares to work.

[Lee Li]

No Omega, libertarian socialism.

[Omega]

No Omega, libertarian socialism.

This is  even bigger bulshit, with absolutely no practical application and no way it could ever work.
No matter which utopia you want to make you need powerful state which will kill or imprison those who disagree with your way of life.

[phlogiston]

 Libertarian means the people decide on an individual level. Socialism means that the earth is not one individuals.
 Under what philosophy does an individual let another take their liberty away? Under what society does another let them take their liberty away?  Both Socialism and Libertarianism stand tall yet fail to the mediocrity of the plural party system.
 Any system that was about real improvement would work. Every system is about castration, hate, what not, above actual help. When we get down to it we will benefit everyone. Mayor Nagin is in prison. Mayor Tommy Thompson just got out. New Orleans will benefit.
 Libertarian means people taking responsibility for life. Yet here they expect the government. I can't get the police when called about a gun on my life.
 No, Libertarian, responsibility is not about you but about others. If I could do my own thing I would. I might in extreme cases watch you die by the guy who who next murder me at Mall is some dingy town. No in extreme Libertarianism I am the foil against that person.   I have to "NOT" do others things. I can't call the cops, I am libertarian.  I didn't call the cops as someone stole hubcaps. Really? I just got off work. At least no one was shot. I did have my knife out. I am somewhat libertarian.
 In the same vein a socialist is about everyone and not the individual. I have seen so many people dependent on government handouts hiding inside as people are getting shot. Again I was one of those people. Socialists like libertarians are both about getting the most while not being part of society.
 Real responsibly means real death. Libertarians won't accept that unless it is themselves even if they are next and real socialists won't accept real involvement like calling the police because it might make their individual selves next.
 The State has its own reason's and only individuals can make them work. I know. Been there.  Almost every night and most not reported, bad.

 

[Lee Li]

Now phlogiston has also jumped on the ignorance bandwagon. You two are wasting my time. I'm not going to explain to you what libertarian socialism is when you can just look it up in your browser. Why Omega and phlogiston, or anyone for that matter, think it's appropriate to speak about something that, by their post(s) on it, clearly have read nothing at all about, and have no clue about, leaves me dumbfounded.

Even if you start arguing about it after you read a small paragraph, that won't suffice. Come back when you've read at least one book by the proponents of such a political theory. That's nice of me, considering that I've studied the political spectrum for the last 5 years or so and only with a good understanding of the whole do the different parts and positions on the political spectrum make any sense -- that is, they make sense relative to each other, so you have to study each tendency. Human systems are very complex.

No debate will happen. My aim was to expose your ignorance, and it has been accomplished.

I think one of the worst influences of Stefan is that he encourages people to presume knowledge that they do not have, and spoonfeeds them 'wisdom' to make them feel like they have not only knowledge, but The Answer(tm).

Running out of opponents. I need to find myself something better to do.

[Omega]

There is no reason to do lots of analysis just to point out one thing:
No matter what kind of order you want to maintain you need to use force and that force requires energy.

Unless of course you are living in delusion like Stefan, who believes that everyone around are goodies, who care about other people and have good will, and all you need to do is to help everyone find a best way to serve each other.
If only we could defeat that evil patriarchy/(stop mothers for beating their children) heaven on earth will come. all aggression will magically disappear.

Get to the reality.

[phlogiston]

 MY post was that socialism is the board while libertarianism is the players. They go together is what I said which took your side.  Saying you won't respond to that point and also calling me ig'nant is ok but it is not addressing what I brought up.
 Yes I have 4 years of political science studies and I think its all about creating beliefs in the populous brains. No Ideology has lived up to its ideal.
 Politics assumes there is a "right" way. Why? Slaves? Why not? Beat Everyone? Why Not? Why anything? Everyone benefits is a good reason but so what? If a person can die at 30 with nothing while king can live to 100 is that better than all of us living till 60 with diamonds up our ass?
 I have my opinion, that king has his, I have my mine, and you have yours. They are all opinions. What makes an opinion right? Lets all do what we want if we can get away with it. History shows that is correct.