Two former members of Molyneux’s inner circle participate in a second revealing interview.
Oh, that pesky internets! Every time you try to smack down the truth somewhere, it just seems to pop up somewhere else!
In another completely irrelevant cultural reference, this pretend journalist notes that things continue “Breaking Bad” for Stefan Molyneux.
First, the Tru Shibes YouTube channel that one of Molyneux’s agents tried to nuke with a fraudulent and hypocritical (in my opinion) DMCA charge has been resurrected as TruMirror on YouTube as well as a harder-for-Molyneux-to-control channel on DailyMotion. Molyneux analysts everywhere still have immediate access to all of the quotes that ultimately blow up Molyneux’s tortured logic without having to wade through hour-and-a-half podcasts.
Also, I don’t think my count is entirely accurate, but something like a half-a-million libertarian Web sites have now condemned Molyneux’s actions against Tru Shibes. As a matter of fact, the only libertarian who doesn’t seem to be talking about it is Molyneux himself, who instead seems to be content with spamming YouTube with more videos while hoping everyone just forgets the whole thing.
And speaking of playing whack-a-mole with the truth, another article mysteriously disappeared while everyone was looking the other way. Paulie Doyle’s revealing interview with a former Molyneux inner circle member was removed from the Buzzfeed site and, so far, Buzzfeed refuses to say why. Was a Molyneux employee lurking somewhere in the background on that as well?
No matter, Ian Freeman of Free Keene managed to yank the article out of the shredder and resurrected it here: Stefan Molyneux Jumps Shark, Uses State to Silence Critics
The secrets continue to pour out
The insider that Doyle interviewed (who called herself “Alex”) has now been revealed to be Colleen of the BiggerThanBothofMe videos.
After making the decision to fully come out in public about her involvement in Freedomain Radio, Colleen was apparently contacted by Michael Dean of Freedom Feens. In a compelling interview, Dean gave listeners their first view into the inner workings of Molyneux’s “community.”
Almost immediately after that, another former inner circle member surfaced on Free Talk Live and corroborated everything Colleen had revealed.
All caught up now? Because now there’s this
Colleen and Greg have just returned for a second appearance on Freedom Feens, this time to dig even deeper into this bizarre “community.” During their conversation with an astonished Dean and Dianna Keiler, the ex-members revealed a stifling and manipulative environment that somehow still claims to be dedicated to freedom. The YouTube version of this interview was uploaded by YouTube member Jim Jesus:
The Truth About Stefan Molyneux, from Two People
Who Were in His Inner Circle – Freedom Feens
The video is chock-full of revelations, such as (better strap in):
- 8:20—The inner circle attrition rate is pretty high. Yeah, people get fully dedicated to Molyneux but after two-to-three years nearly all of them leave in disgust, which is “common to cults.” (Both ex-members are very forthright about describing the fully committed part of FDR as a cult.)
- 15:36—Colleen is one of the few (only?) FDR members asked to actually lead FDR podcasts. She was being used to attract more female members, since Molyneux was concerned that his audience was predominantly male. (It appears that since then, he has gone with Plan B—appealing to the guys with misogyny. Whatever works.)
- 16:45—Molyneux provides “dream analysis” for his members. Somewhat like Jung, he believes we have vital information stored in our brains that are only revealed through complex allegories during our dreams. It’s an idea completely unsupported by science.
- 22:00—The group believes in repressed memories and recovering those memories, with heavy emphasis on portraying interactions as abusive or suggesting there is more abuse than you can remember. It is an environment of peer pressure to leave your parents, whether they are abusive or not.
- 23:35—The idea that FDR is “all adults” is a myth. Some of Molyneux’s callers have been as young as 14 years old. A lot of Molyneux’s followers are adolescents.
- 24:50—Contrary to conventional thinking, research has shown that people who join cults are primarily young people at transitional periods of their lives who are idealistic, above-average intelligence, and come from good family backgrounds.
- 25:42—Molyneux has a “form letter” his members can use when they defoo.
- 26:18—For whatever it’s worth, FDR isn’t a scam. Molyneux believes.
- 28:44—Confirmed! There is a huge discrepancy between the way Molyneux presents his ideas when he knows there is a wide audience watching as opposed to when he is with his members. To outsiders, he claims he recommends disconnecting from people who are abusive, and that you are supposed to talk to your family and have discussion about the things from your childhood you didn’t like. Inside, he says such conversations are useless.
- 31:15—Molyneux tells his followers that researching criticism of his moral arguments is “lazy.”
- 32:15—Greg has noted that every member who was in the inner circle with Colleen have also departed, save two (MMD is one of them.)
- 35:25—Molyneux has always claimed that critics “are skipped to the front of the line” when they ask to participate on his call-in show. The truth is that writer Paulie Doyle and others have had their requests refused and then were blocked from the site.
- 43:20—In Greg’s first skype chat with Molyneux, Molyneux claimed that Greg would save $5 million by defooing. (Tru Shibes captured the moment here):
- 44:50—During that conversation, Molyneux tells Greg that if he does not defoo, “no good person will want to marry him.” (You will also see that on the above Tru Shibes capture.)
- 46:20—Molyneux created a creepy 5-minute meditation, which he adapted from a Bradshaw book about your “inner child,” to help you visualize yourself into defooing and waving goodbye to your parents. (Colleen and Greg speculate it may have been removed from the FDR Website. Heck, that’s no problem. It’s right here! There are long pauses in this meditation as Molyneux delivers it. It’s like he’s trying to hypnotize you. Maybe he is, so don’t blame me if you defoo, bitch.)
- 48:50—From the early days, Molyneux’s credibility in psychology was based on the fact that his wife (Christina), a practicing therapist, frequently participated on FDR. (The perceived credibility continues, despite the fact that Christina has since been censured by the College of Psychologists of Ontario and his ideas about defooing utterly rejected.
- 51:58—Greg felt a social pressure to defoo (he was a straggler among inner circle members). After he defooed, he felt more included in the group. When he posted the announcement that he had defooed, members sent pictures of fireworks and congratulations.
- 55:33—There were often organized calls to discuss other members who were on the “outs” with the group and what to do about them. Such members were sometimes “shunned,” until they made amends, which is how the group accomplishes horizontal management of group behavior. Since the member had defooed family and friends by that time, being shunned by the group—his or her only remaining friends—would be crushing.
- 58:05—Ultimately, nearly every choice you make in the group becomes psychologized. For example, makeup, tattoos, martial arts—even cartoons like Family Guy—are all frowned upon.
- 100:00—Molyneux is apparently not very supportive of gun ownership. (The details on that one got swallowed up by a commercial break. Great reason for another interview!)
- 102:18—If you were an older sibling who teased and tormented a younger sibling, you are irredeemable. Your soul is corrupt.(Molyneux has claimed his older brother teased him mercilessly when they were younger.)
- 107:43—Molyneux holds calls with inner circle members to discuss and analyze romantic relationships within the group. Couples know that their relationships are monitored. Freedomain has been responsible for several breakups within the group if Molyneux does not approve of them. Greg surprised Colleen with the revelation that when she began seeing her current boyfriend, that was also scrutinzed by the group (who disapproved). In addition, after Colleen and her previous boyfriend left one of Molyneux’s BBQ’s, an impromptu discussion was held to evaluate interaction between the two.
- 110:30—When the group would meet in Molyneux’s home, Molyneux would sit in a big armchair in the corner, holding court as members would talk. It was very reminiscent of the way Ayn Rand would meet with her followers in the cult that formed around her.
- 111:45—Members were encouraged to use “smiling” photos of themselves as their avatars, so people could see how happy Molyneux’s philosophy made them.
This is Greg’s first interview on Free Talk Live
And this is Colleen’s first interview on Freedom Feens
I look forward to your input in the forum!
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Will the circle be unbroken? Apparently not. Another former member of Stefan Molyneux’s “Friends of FDR” group—a tight-knit inner circle that even most Philosopher Kings don’t know about—has just come forward in a Free Talk Live interview to corroborate everything BiggerThanBothofMe revealed in her own video.
So while the FDR attack squad has been going after her on YouTube, they now have to deal with this new person revealing more about FDR than Molyneux ever wanted you to know, darn it all.
This really, really, really hasn’t been Stefan’s week.
Once again, the revelations are amazing. Listen to it here!
BiggerThanBothOfMe’s first video:
I look forward to your input in the forum!
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Hey there! Pull up a chair. Today’s Quickie! is a fun little story about boring old stuff like ethics and character.
It starts, as usual, with the men we know as Stefan Molyneux.
Men? Yes, that’s correct. You see, for several years now, Stefan Molyneux has been living a double life. On one hand, there is the Stefan Molyneux that the True Believers of his forum see. That Stefan Molyneux is the one who believes nearly all parents are horribly bad and your only hope for a virtuous life is to leave them and never speak to them again. (Yeah, yeah, I know, but it’s true).
And then there is the other Stefan Molyneux. That’s the one everyone outside the Freedomain Radio “community” is supposed to see—the happy and witty libertarian gadabout who can make an argument against government so compelling, he can almost convert you to libertarianism on the spot.
And as long as he can find venues that know only the fun Molyneux (and not the Molyneux who may-or-may-not be a destructive cult leader), a splendid time is guaranteed for all.
Lately, one of those venues has been the Joe Rogan show. Rogan has many talents—comedian, actor, host, commentator, etc. But [...] Continue Reading…
Since this post was published, BiggerThanBothofMe has released a third video, which is both funny and incisive. I have appended it below.
Today’s Quickie! may cause some shockwaves in Mississauga… Prompted in part by her concern over the growing misogyny of Stefan Molyneux and his followers and partly by the growing outrage over Molyneux’s DMCA attack of the Tru Shibes video page on YouTube, a former, deeply involved FDR member has come forward to tell the story of her indoctrination into Stefan Molyneux’s “community.”
The former member, posting on YouTube under the name BiggerThanBothofMe has apparently been talking about her FDR experience on her Facebook page for some time. In the past few days, she has posted videos that talk about the experience in greater detail.
You can tell that she originally intended these videos to be seen only by her Facebook followers. However, she has since decided to share her story with you in protest over Molyneux’s actions.
In her view, FDR is a destructive cult and she offers some pretty compelling arguments on why that is so. What makes it fascinating is her demonstration of why you don’t need religion to create a destructive cult. As she explains, there is [...] Continue Reading…
Oh, how would you survive in an ancap world, Mr. Molyneux? You know, one where you wouldn’t be able to use the power of the state to silence your critics?
Yes, faithful readers, it’s happened again. Remember when Molyneux tried to shut down Liberating Minds—the forum of ex-FDR members who were revealing the truth about him and his “community”? It was a scurrilous act on his part, as he tried to get the site deleted on a Terms of Agreement violation and attacked the site on a variety of other libertarian boards (whose members mostly ridiculed him for his efforts).
This time, Molyneux has Tru Shibes in his sights. (YouTube page here. And here’s the article I wrote about Tru Shibes just days ago.)
Molyneux, who has spoken out against the notion of intellectual property and typically allows his work to be distributed under Creative Commons (as long as he is credited) has filed several copyright infringement claims against Tru Shibes. Here’s the first:
But he’s not stopping there. Tru Shibes later received this:
All of these videos had proper attribution and were nearly always time-stamped for accuracy.
But the truth is that Tru Shibes did the most damaging thing a Molyneux critic can do—step [...] Continue Reading…
As many of you know, Stefan Molyneux issued a fraudulent and hypocrtical DMCA complaint with YouTube, causing the removal of Tru Shibes’s page. Molyneux has offered some tortured reasoning for the act but in my opinion he has simply used the power of the state to silence a highly effective critic. Fortunately, a YouTube account named TruMirror has resurrected most or all of the videos and my links below have been redirected there. Time will tell if Molyneux continues to embarrass the libertarian community with his actions.
I admit it. Your humble narrator is a big failure. Now, let me stop you before you say, “that’s right, he’s been writing this stupid blog for a few years now and I’ll bet even his mom quit reading it.”
That’s not what I meant, ya smart Alecs.
No, there’s a tough nut I’ve been trying to crack this whole time, and that’s how to quickly and effectively illustrate that little bit o’ crazy that slips into almost every Molyneux video and podcast.
Yes, I’ve written about Molyneux’s books and the strange culture that is the FDR forum.
But here’s my big problem—succinctly critiquing his videos and podcasts.
Yes, I’ve delved into his podcasts and pulled [...] Continue Reading…
Update 08/07/2014…Well, it turns out your humble narrator QuestEon kicked up a little hornet’s nest with the title of this blog post.
Some forum members felt that I was not-so-slyly suggesting that Stefan Molyneux is actually a pedophile or at least slyly leaving the unpleasant association hanging in the air.
I admit I don’t mind a little sensationalism in my articles but it honestly never occurred to me that the article would be taken that way.
You see, I’ve always believed and stated that Molyneux strives to be a good man, that he believes body and soul he is bringing good things into the world. I believe he endeavors to be a good family man. That’s why I’ve always been fascinated by him. I’ve never seen any evidence of sexual deviancy, would never expect to find it, and would be highly skeptical of any assertions otherwise.
So, how did the title come to be?
Well, as the article states, I was struck by the similarity between the technique pedophiles use to prepare their victims for abuse and the techniques present at FDR to prepare new members (who are quite often otherwise normal people) to rewrite their family history (just as Molyneux’s wife [...] Continue Reading…
Don’t be fooled. This is simply another transparent attempt to lure you into the FDR Liberated Forum. (But it’s a pretty good one).
I had an idea for a Quickie!—type article that I’ve decided instead to turn into a discussion. The first few paragraphs are below; hit the link for more.
What are your thoughts?
Molyneux–Misogyny or Marketing?
So, it is clear that an interesting wrinkle has been added to the Molyneux story with his increasing negative statements about feminism and women in general.
It’s been very puzzling to me, as a long-time Molyneux watcher, because he is—personality disorder or not—a very smart fellow. In the early days, he freely expressed his hatred of parents but by 2008 had learned to use clever rhetoric that hid his true views from outsiders but not his True Believers.
But now he is intentionally (or at least certainly comfortable with) attacking feminists, which gives his forum members tacit permission to drift into outright misogyny. (I’d go so far as to say that Molyneux has done that as well).
Which leads me to the question: Why? Why would such a saavy self-promoter, one whose livelihood depends on donations, suddenly decide to enrage an entire gender? I’ve been wondering [...] Continue Reading…
Many folks have already realized that the best critical analysis of Stefan Molyneux is happening right here on the FDR Liberated Forum. I can’t take any credit for that. In fact, I have been conspicuous by my absence for much of this year.
However, I was jolted back into the surreality of the Freedomain Radio “community” when one of our forum members posted the following little amusement.
I can only assume the fun began when a Molyneux follower decided to enlighten Bill Burr (hilarious comedian, podcaster, and genuine famous person) about Stefan Molyneux (not particularly funny podcaster and wannabe famous person).
Apparently, that whole Blink thing that Molyneux was raving about a year or so ago turns out to be true! You really do know everything about someone in the first few seconds you encounter them.
Because it took just about that long for Burr to size up the man who claims to be the salvation of philosophy (caution—salty language alert!):
What Burr sees immediately is the one thing Molyneux’s followers are painfully unable to recognize.
Molyneux talks with great and apparently learned authority, even though there is virtually no foundation for it.
That’s probably cruel. I’m only saying that he has never conducted [...] Continue Reading…
QuestEon has taken a break from writing… and has created one of those YouTube videos that seem to be all the rage these days.
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