But Feminists ARE Socialists with panties!

[Omega]

Whaaat - I never said any such thing!

You said this

seems like this 'womb' women want is just not to be eaten, stolen, or

raped

Is this how you see yourself as an alpha male, Omega?
You are full of contradictions.

How is that related to me being alpha male?

You are full of contradictions.

It is cynicism not contradictions.
What I do here I just talk about world as some abstract thing, which works according to its own rules and I must find those rules to use them, but I do not have any interest to participate in this  society.
naturally I need to maintain different concepts of good and evil, because for example I Understand that evolution and society is necessary for survival of human species but I personally do not care about survival so I see attempts of survival as something bad for me.
I would prefer society to focus on fun and happiness whats would naturally result total collapse.

[Elucidated]

Whaaat - I never said any such thing!

You said this

seems like this 'womb' women want is just not to be eaten, stolen, or

raped

If you read the whole thing you'll see that I was paraphrasing Zetaman not putting forward my own position

[Anarchist]

Please also bear in mind that I have a lot of respect for QE in all other concerns.

That's a strong sign that your complaints aren't based in fact but in ideology.

One reason is that people tend to use that sort of phrasing when they like what someone says but then that someone says something against their ideology. The other is that you've made it clear what your ideology is (you've also made it clear you lack understanding of what feminism is by, like ideologues, highlighting perverse and rare examples as if they're both central and commonplace) and you disagree with him 'only' in one area.

[Omega]

If you read the whole thing you'll see that I was paraphrasing Zetaman not putting forward my own position

why do you take everything so personally?

[Anarchist]

why do you take everything so personally?

I was thinking that you were probably a troll but maybe you just weren't all there. Now I strongly suspect you're the same troll that was on YouTube recently.

[Elucidated]

If you read the whole thing you'll see that I was paraphrasing Zetaman not putting forward my own position

why do you take everything so personally?

I'm out

[ZetaMan]

I'm sorry I disappeared from this thread (and forum) folks, but I was busy having all my shit f*cked up by a Feminism-inspired woman who still to this day says she loves me despite showing that she has absolutely no regard for anything higher than her own selfish wants and desires.

I honestly can't follow this thread anymore. I've stated my FACTS and experience as a Western male. My detractors may f*ck off and take a Sociology course and study Evolutionary Psychology before they expect me to read and respond to their crap. No offense... despite the fact it most-definitely would be interpreted with offense.

I am MGTOW - HEAR MY ROAR
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[ZetaMan]

http://www.redicecreations.com/radio3fourteen/2013/R314-130821.php

[Lee Li]

Okay, sorry but this is ridiculous. Men aren't bent on dominating people by nature. They are trained to be how they often are through the prevailing culture. Don't buy into any of that 'alpha male' business guys. If you need proof of that, I will refer to the work of Robert Sapolsky who has spent his entire life studying baboon behaviour. One of his most intriguing findings was that when one of the baboon packs got ill from eating garbage, all of the aggressive males and male who were not sociable or friendly to the females and others simply died (presumably, these alpha males ate more of the infected garbage than the others). What happened after that, was the culture (yes!) of the baboon tribe changed, such that it wasn't acceptable to unload rage on your fellow baboon, even if they be smaller than you, female, or baby. And there was lots of social grooming. Most interestingly, newcomer males migrating from othor tribes conformed and adjusted to this mutual 'understanding'.

No it wasn't a deliberate experiment -- just to make it clear, this happened as a sort of bittersweet accident, because some people in a tourist camp were careless with their rubbish. Sapolsky himself was distraught by the incident, but nonetheless it revealed important information on ape behaviour.

Edit: Robert, not David xP

[Lee Li]

Zetaman and Omega, you don't know what feminism is. I suggest you listen to Phil. Feminists address the issues of women, but feminism branches out into issues affecting other areas to do with equality.

Lastly your vitriol is offensive to women, feminist and non-feminist alike. It is stuff like what is on FDR nowadays (Stef championing the position of anti-feminist) and what people say here that makes feminists, woman and man and trans alike, gravely concerned. Because what I see, is hate speech.

We are all individuals here. ZetaMan: "all my shit f*cked up by a Feminism-inspired woman who still to this day says she loves me despite showing that she has absolutely no regard for anything higher than her own selfish wants and desires." It doesn't matter that she is a feminist, as this has nothing to do with feminism. All that amounts to is an ad hominem. No, it doesn't discredit feminism when someone acts messed up, as again being selfish or narcissistic is not what feminism is for. You might disagree, but that is so.

[ZetaMan]

Thanks for the info regarding baboon tribes. Interesting and revealing.

You're a smart rabbit, you can figure things out for yourself, so I'll point out your misconceptions and you can go listen to and read the many educated minds that elucidate my points:

• Not Hate Speech: Rather frustration from not being heard. As an example, you as a Feminist have not yet taken the time to absorb the works of Dr. Warren Farrell to name just one example. We forgave the African-Americans for racist outbursts - I forgive most men for their outburst. Why can't you?
• Feminism highlights men's issues: Yes, through the lens of the female psyche and female expectations, which renders a lot of men's issues invisible. The differentiation between genders is not a cultural mirage. Environment and social conditioning plays a part, but you're over-estimating it's influence.

Not going to argue these points unless you take the time to research the many resources available to you online and you come back with more finer points of argument.

[Kaz]

Not going to argue these points unless you take the time to research the many resources available to you online and you come back with more finer points of argument.

I just want to comment on this as an argument technique, regardless of the topic.

I do not think that this is fair and it does not address the points put forward by other posters. 

[Omega]

Zetaman and Omega, you don't know what feminism is. I suggest you listen to Phil. Feminists address the issues of women, but feminism branches out into issues affecting other areas to do with equality.

I know very well what feminism was and what it is now.
It has nothing to do with equality, which is completely impossible in this situation.
problem is with different perception of environment by men and women. If you put 2 different people in same environment they will not be equally satisfied.

IF you place boxer and chess master in boxing ring they both receive equal treatment but obviously they have very different wining chances.

Modern feminism is jut that: it is women attempting to reshape boxing ring into chess table they are trying to change rules in a way that suit women while completely disregarding interests of men.

Traditional society has 2 separate world for men and women where each were living by their own rules, now we have single world for everyone which is unfortunately shaped to suit women only.

[ZetaMan]

Bang on, Omega. Which is why the MRA do not bring a message of hate. We just get the flack you naturally get by telling people they're doing something incorrectly.

Not going to argue these points unless you take the time to research the many resources available to you online and you come back with more finer points of argument.

I just want to comment on this as an argument technique, regardless of the topic.

I do not think that this is fair and it does not address the points put forward by other posters.

If you want fair, then go to group therapy.
What exactly do I OWE this person or anyone else? Nothing. I'm a free agent who has decided to aid the process of a free society by speaking my truth. I cannot speak on this subject at the level of sophistication that is currently required of me.
If I do not have license to tell someone to do their due diligence before they strawman the subject by expecting convincement from me, I am only left with two other options:

• Pretend that I am a Doctor or that I've studied this subject for years. This won't only harm my position, but the others who hold it who would rather someone like me not embarrass them.
• Not open my mouth at all, EVER, until I've got my Ph.D, I've read studies, and worked in a related field for 20 years. You're essentially telling me that I can't, through my natural intelligences, come to a conclusion about anything unless I have spent the better part of my life investigating it and can then successfully convince someone else.

I'm sorry, but that's shit brains. Just because I won't pander to your intellectual laziness does not give you the right to cry abuse or neglect.
Do your due diligence, and then we'll talk about the particulars (e.g. does this theory make sense against X or Y).

[Kaz]

Bang on, Omega. Which is why the MRA do not bring a message of hate. We just get the flack you naturally get by telling people they're doing something incorrectly.

Not going to argue these points unless you take the time to research the many resources available to you online and you come back with more finer points of argument.

I just want to comment on this as an argument technique, regardless of the topic.

I do not think that this is fair and it does not address the points put forward by other posters.

If you want fair, then go to group therapy.
What exactly do I OWE this person or anyone else? Nothing. I'm a free agent who has decided to aid the process of a free society by speaking my truth. I cannot speak on this subject at the level of sophistication that is currently required of me.
If I do not have license to tell someone to do their due diligence before they strawman the subject by expecting convincement from me, I am only left with two other options:

• Pretend that I am a Doctor or that I've studied this subject for years. This won't only harm my position, but the others who hold it who would rather someone like me not embarrass them.
• Not open my mouth at all, EVER, until I've got my Ph.D, I've read studies, and worked in a related field for 20 years. You're essentially telling me that I can't, through my natural intelligences, come to a conclusion about anything unless I have spent the better part of my life investigating it and can then successfully convince someone else.

I'm sorry, but that's shit brains. Just because I won't pander to your intellectual laziness does not give you the right to cry abuse or neglect.
Do your due diligence, and then we'll talk about the particulars (e.g. does this theory make sense against X or Y).

Your response is unintelligible to me but it doesn't matter, as I made it clear that I was not entering the debate.  Please don't drag me into it, as I do not want to waste my time debating something that hasn't been clearly defined from the start.

What I am doing is calling you out on an unfair technique in putting forward your argument.  It is irrelevant what the argument is about as the principles of logic and fairness apply, regardless of the subject or level of education.